Vitamin Supps

I just use the BodyArmor Lyte drinks, which are like $1 each and have electrolytes and some vitamins. There may be better sources of electrolytes (since BodyArmor is low in sodium), but I like BodyArmor Lyte for the taste (really only the peach mango) and only 15 calories.

I also take powdered taurine, which helps the body's electrolytes go to where they need to go (since a mostly vegetarian diet gets less taurine, which is made by the body too). I got turned on to taurine when I had muscle cramps (in a previous life last year on steroids).

And powdered creatine to help with muscle health.

And I take other supplements as well, like vitamin K2 (MK7) and natto for cardiovascular health, but the electrolytes can definitely be beneficial on GLPs, if sometimes drinking less. A muscle boost may be even more important, like by taking creatine. I am starting boron soon to help with hormones, which helps with muscle indirectly. For women, DHEA would be more beneficial for hormone health.

I also take vitamin C tablets, which helps with the effectiveness of my glutathione injections.
 
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I personally do Fish Oil, Zinc, Magnesium, and Vitamin D since I don't get a ton of sun where I live. I've definitely noticed the magnesium helping with sleep and thankfully Reta never messed with my sleep patterns like others.
 
MakeNoPeaceWithEvil said:
What vitamin supplement y'all taking while on Reta? Also, I need a grey vendor for freaking electrolytes. That sh*t's getting expensive lol
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I got some GRAY market Gatorade!! meet me behind Walmart tonight! you know the place. and this time turn off your mini van lights when creeping up to our rendezvous.... I take BTC.
 

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I’m on about as many vitamins and supplements as I am peptides lol

Men’s one a day multivitamin
Protein 50g-100g
Creatine 5g-10g
Collagen peptide 10g-15g
EEA 1200mg
Calcium HMB 1000mg
DHM 350mg
Lions Mane 500mg
Cod Liver Oil 1000mg
Methylene Blue 10mg
Ashwaganda 600mg
B complex
TMG 750mg
CoQ10 200mg
L-Methylfolate 1000mcg
NAC 600mg
Vitamin C 1000mg
Vitamin E 400IU
Zinc 45mg
HMB 1000mg
 
My magnesium always tests low and I am prone to whole body cramps so I take various magnesiums. Citrate mostly and sometimes glycinate. I eat plant based so a good B12. Vitamin D once a week during the winter. A multi vitamin when I remember. And I just added in Biotin after reading about eveyone's hair loss while on tirz.
 
Friendly reminder that most people don't need vitamin supplementation, it's pretty hard to be deficient in most things if you live in a developed nation, with the exception being Vitamin D. But vit D levels should be tested, because it's fat soluble and can accumulate. If your levels are normal, you don't need it, and if your levels are low, the 400-2000iu you're getting at the store aren't gonna be enough anyway, so you need to know if you need it, and how much you need if you do.

This goes double for electrolytes, our bodies are, at the most basic level, just a system for moving electrolytes around, and because of this, the body is really really good at managing electrolyte balance. You're not working out hard enough to need electrolyte replacement. The vast majority of marathon runners do not get electrolyte abnormalities requiring supplementation, you don't start to see problems until you're talk about ultra distance athletes. So stop wasting your money on expensive salt.

ALL OF THAT SAID, I"M A HYPOCRITE.

My stack: Multivitamin, Omega-3 fish oils, mag glycinate (only every other day, because my mag levels are actually on the high end of normal), glucosamine (because my joints are shot), ashgawanda, boron, creatine, and protein. No vit d because there's 400iu in my MVI and my vit d levels are optimal.
 
Best electrolytes I found was on amazon of all places, https://venturepal.com/ . Thirty of them is about $17 dollars and the flavor is pretty decent. I will generally mix one in with a Prime pop flavor drink once or twice a week and they go pretty good together. I'd type in the rest of my Reta/vita stack but the Carpals is hurtin.
 
Tbagger said:
I’m on about as many vitamins and supplements as I am peptides lol

Men’s one a day multivitamin
Protein 50g-100g
Creatine 5g-10g
Collagen peptide 10g-15g
EEA 1200mg
Calcium HMB 1000mg
DHM 350mg
Lions Mane 500mg
Cod Liver Oil 1000mg
Methylene Blue 10mg
Ashwaganda 600mg
B complex
TMG 750mg
CoQ10 200mg
L-Methylfolate 1000mcg
NAC 600mg
Vitamin C 1000mg
Vitamin E 400IU
Zinc 45mg
HMB 1000mg
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Goddamn, this guy supplements!
 
theoretical_maximum said:
Friendly reminder that most people don't need vitamin supplementation, it's pretty hard to be deficient in most things if you live in a developed nation
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While I agree to some extent, maximizing supplementation while cycling peptides is a bit more nuanced. For example, NAD+ depletes methyl groups so it is benifical to take TMG and L-Methylfolate. Glutathione needs NAC, Vitamin C, and Vitamin E support to work effectively. Mitochondrial stacks like SS-31 and Mots-c are enhanced with the addition of CoQ10 and Methylene Blue. And Reta is aided my things like HMB, Omega-3, and DHM.

So while supplementation isn't necessarily needed, you can gain a lot of benefits by researching what peptides you are taking and their associated requirements to work effectively.
 
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I think everyone needs a basic set of supplements, especially if you are over 50.
Even if not on GLP-1s.
Magnesium, CoQ, Omega-3, D/K2, and collagen are a bare minimum, imho.
The rest depends on your diet and/or specific health issues.
I added creatine and electrolytes since on reta.
And I'm on and off resveratrol/quercetin, vitE with black cumin seed oil, vit C/sambucol/rosemary oil drops or other help with immunity in the cold season....
Damn right it's expensive... 🙄 😳🤷‍♀️
And I wish it were all available in injectable/liquid form, as occasionally I feel like I can't swallow one more damn cap/pill...
 
Daily (7 Days/Week):
Swanson Pycnogenol: 100mg
Organika Taurine: 1,000mg
Jamieson Vitamin C: 500mg
CanPrev Magnesium Bis-Glycinate 200: 200mg
Natural Factors Active B Complex: 1 Cap

5/2 Staggered (Mon–Fri Only):
Swanson Bamboo Silica: 300mg
Webber Naturals Curcumin Meriva: 500mg
PlantVital Resveratrol: 600mg
EBYSU Green Tea Extract (EGCG): 500mg
PlantVital Berberine: 500mg

Midday
Daily (7 Days/Week):
California Gold Nutrition NMNH Complex: 1 Cap (250mg NMNH, 100mg CoQ10, 20mg PQQ, 5mg L-Ergothioneine)
Natural Factors NAC: 600mg
Manganese Chelate: 2.5mg
TUDCA: 250mg
Herba Zinc Picolinate 3-in-1: 1 Cap
Nutratology D3+K2: 2 Caps
Generic D3: 3,000 IU

Evening
Daily (7 Days/Week):
Telmisartan: 20mg
Organika Taurine: 1,000mg
Jamieson Vitamin C: 500mg
CanPrev Magnesium Bis-Glycinate 200: 200mg
CoQ10: 100mg
Amino Acid Stack: Glycine (5g), L-Proline (3g), L-Valine (2g), L-Lysine (1.5g)

oh while I'm at it:

Peptides (Mon–Fri):
GHK-Cu: 2mg SubQ
Retatrutide: 1.5mg (Monday) / 2.0mg (Thursday)
SS-31: 5mg SubQ (Active: Phase 1)

PHASE 1 (SS-31): 5mg SubQ (M–F) | Start: Feb 23 | 20 units (2mL/50mg vial)
PHASE 2 (Epitalon): 5mg SubQ Daily | Est: Mar 23 | 50 units (1mL/10mg vial)
PHASE 3 (MOTS-c): 5mg SubQ Weekly | Est: Apr 17 | 50 units (2mL/20mg vial)
PHASE IV (The Senolytic Bridge):
a) FOXO4-DRI: (Target 1.5mg–5mg SubQ EOD x 3 Pending Final Review)
b) Bisoprolol: 2.5mg (Morning) - Start 24h before 1st dose; Stop 7 days after final dose
PHASE V (The Regen Pulse):
a) All-Trans Retinoic Acid (ATRA): 10mg (Evening) | Cycle: 21 Days ON / 21 Days OFF
b) Fat Source: 15g Extra Virgin Olive Oil or Avocado

I'm still wondering about PHASE IV and V atm. More research required. I also have to source the ATRA.

I also used 10g dill + berries, blend those up in ~500mL water and let it sit overnight. The next day it's filtered and used to make up 10% drink + 25% pomegranate juice + rest water. I try to drink this thoughout the next day. I like it, it tastes good, upregulates tropoelastin and Loxl1, and I get PQQ from the pomegranate.

@Tbagger yes I need to add TMG; midday with NMNH?
 
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theoretical_maximum said:
Friendly reminder that most people don't need vitamin supplementation, it's pretty hard to be deficient in most things if you live in a developed nation, with the exception being Vitamin D. But vit D levels should be tested, because it's fat soluble and can accumulate. If your levels are normal, you don't need it, and if your levels are low, the 400-2000iu you're getting at the store aren't gonna be enough anyway, so you need to know if you need it, and how much you need if you do.

This goes double for electrolytes, our bodies are, at the most basic level, just a system for moving electrolytes around, and because of this, the body is really really good at managing electrolyte balance. You're not working out hard enough to need electrolyte replacement. The vast majority of marathon runners do not get electrolyte abnormalities requiring supplementation, you don't start to see problems until you're talk about ultra distance athletes. So stop wasting your money on expensive salt.

ALL OF THAT SAID, I"M A HYPOCRITE.

My stack: Multivitamin, Omega-3 fish oils, mag glycinate (only every other day, because my mag levels are actually on the high end of normal), glucosamine (because my joints are shot), ashgawanda, boron, creatine, and protein. No vit d because there's 400iu in my MVI and my vit d levels are optimal.
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In general I pretty much entirely agree with that including both the fact that supplements are not needed and that I too am a hypocrite in this.
I would probably vary it a bit in that, in healthy people, there is essentially no clear evidence that supplements are really of any use, they do not improve overall health, lifespan, cancer risk ( with the possible exception of vitamin A increasing risks ) etc, and measuring and replacing vitamin d can be a benefit, but even there the science is very mixed, with some studies showing benefit and others not showing benefits.
There is evidence that some supplements can help with particular medical conditions, as opposed to the general population. Essentially all the evidence that exists on supplements apart from vitamin A ,fish oil and vitamin D is of low quality, based usually on a smallish number of small studies, and for many supplements the results are mixed showing high levels of heterogeneity. And a lot of clinical trials of supplements are lower quality again without randomisation or placebo controls or double blinding. Just about all supplements are not patentable, so no one is ever going to spend millions of dollars on trials, like the drug companies can, with a few exceptions for possible public health issues like vit D and fish oil. So the funding has to come from private or government sources which means small trials that never end up showing definitive proof of effectiveness. This does not mean that they don't work, unfortunately it also does not mean that they do work. And almost always you end up with a few positive trials that qualify as low quality evidence of effectiveness or at the very best low to moderate quality of evidence. Generally this is below the level of evidence required for guidelines to recommend them or most Doctors to feel comfortable with recommending them either.
Occasionally you get lucky and find something that has slowly accumulated positive trials over years or decades, and even less commonly has not had studies that contradict the positive ones. And the underlying science makes sense and is consistent with the trial results. These are the ones that are the best bets in terms of working. But even these ones are usually still at the low to moderate quality of evidence standard, so it could still just be a statistical chance that all those results were positive. If you test enough substances a certain percentage of results are going to come up positive several studies in a row just from chance/placebo/regression towards the mean etc.
I am not going to even attempt to describe which ones have good evidence as it would be a book not a online post.
If you are asking an AI about supplements ( or peptides ) ask it to provide evidence and more importantly to provide estimates of the certainty of that evidence, by standard medical definitions. You might end up with a much higher quality answer. Nearly everything on the internet about supplements outside of scientific journals cannot be trusted, there is just too much money to be made by saying they work.
 
There are absolutely not major effects from a proper stack. There are statistically significant effects from specific things. Curcurmin, for example, will lower your LDL-C a statistically significant amount, that is equivalent to about 1/5th of what the lowest dose of a statin will do, or about 1/20th of what high dose statin + PCSK9s will do. It will also (statistically) significantly lower your HbA1c, by about again 1/10th-1/20th of what Reta will do.

The studies are small, the effects are weak, and the confounding variables are insanely high. There are minor effects from a proper stack.
 
How do yall keep track of all this…? Do yall have the pill organizers? How many? Do yall have a sort of inventory list because wow. wowowoowoww
 
Ruckus4519 said:
How do yall keep track of all this…? Do yall have the pill organizers? How many? Do yall have a sort of inventory list because wow. wowowoowoww
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I have a 2 week tray and spend about 10min every 2 weeks getting them all set up. Then I mix a small glass of electrolytes with my methylene blue and take an ungodly handful of pills with it every day.
 

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MakeNoPeaceWithEvil said:
What vitamin supplement y'all taking while on Reta? Also, I need a grey vendor for freaking electrolytes. That sh*t's getting expensive lol
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A double dose of a daily multivitamin. I firmly believe that we should all take them because we are eating less with GLP1s and honestly our food is not as nutritious as it used to be. Also I have had vertical sleeve surgery and was told to take them for the rest of my life.

Vitamin D since I avoid the sun. I have a prescription for this one.
B12 injection .. prescription again.
Fish oil for omega 3
 
MsGizmo said:
A double dose of a daily multivitamin. I firmly believe that we should all take them because we are eating less with GLP1s and honestly our food is not as nutritious as it used to be. Also I have had vertical sleeve surgery and was told to take them for the rest of my life.

Vitamin D since I avoid the sun. I have a prescription for this one.
B12 injection .. prescription again.
Fish oil for omega 3
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Any advantage to vitamin b injections for people not prescribed?
 
MakeNoPeaceWithEvil said:
Any advantage to vitamin b injections for people not prescribed?
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Faster to load up. And the "initial peak can provide a more noticeable stimulant-like effect on energy metabolism" (Gemini). But I didn't notice any benefits, possibly since I wasn't low to begin with. Doc obliged anyway.
 
The only supplement I am taking that is aimed at helping with weight loss is oleoylethanolamide or OEA at 250mg a day. There is a lot of preclinical research and few smallish trials in Iran in humans that showed a few percent weight loss. I figure I need all the help I can get to try to keep off 54% of my weight and an extra few percent is not useless. I looked very hard for anything that showed actual consistent human trial evidence for weight loss, and human trial evidence they were not dangerous, it was surprising how few supplements met this requirement, considering the very large number being sold. Berberine is one of the few others with at least low quality evidence of weight loss, but there are studies that show no effect on weight.
Plus a generic multivitamin in case I am missing something on a fairly narrow diet.
 
Anybody have experience with taking iron or brand recommendations that aren't from AI? I have none, because my diet has always been fairly beef heavy. The GLP-1's got me mostly wanting tofu and beans as my protein source, and there is nothing that's iron-rich that I particularly want to eat significantly more of. I am normal-weight and very, very cold. Not "tee hee I'm so skinny now I'm always colllld say it's cause I'm so skinny" cold, I mean wrapped in an electric blanket on a teams call and still cold.

This is bullshit and I cannot live like this. Yes I will go to the doctor, but first, I want to grab a nice bottle of iron pills and start making sure at least my iron is in good shape, because who knows what other havoc low iron might be wreaking in my body that I should probably address either way, and maybe it'll make me not so goddamn cold.
 
MsGizmo said:
Well, for me it reduced my daytime fatigue. Many people notice extra energy when taking B12.
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Having had a sleeve gastrectomy you also lost some of your ability to absorb B-vitamins. We all lose that ability as we age as well. My university used to sell b-vitamin injections to college students for cash for the perceived energy benefit, as if the 20 year olds chugging red-bulls were somehow b-deficient lmao.
 
Calm Logic said:
My theory with supplements and non-GLP peptides is that whatever helps you psychologically or physically to exercise more, is the winner long-term (even if just placebo for a performance boost).
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I 100% subscribe to this. I take vitamins, knowing fully well I do not need them (I have bloodwork to prove it), because taking the vitamins is part of the process. When I'm taking my vitamins I'm also exercising, and tracking my macros, and doing all the things I should be doing. So, I feel better when I take the vitamins, but it's not the vitamins doing it.

Edited to add: I think this also applies to wearables and people who track metrics like HRV and sleep quality etc etc. I personally don't think any of that stuff matters at all, but a lot of people derive a lot of value from it, and I suspect it's because the act of paying attention to their exercise and recovery matters for them. Just like the people who wear an apple watch and only exercise because they haven't filled their rings.
 
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