HGH and RT: the best combination?

[Omxxl]

I'm about to buy HGH because of the low price I found for 24 IU.
I'm currently taking Reta 2mg weekly. After reading many studies on GLP-1 and HGH and their synergies and benefits when taken together, like this article:

https://ampouletude.com/article/combined-rhgh-glp1-agonist-body-recomposition-fat-loss-muscle-gain-metabolic-health

I think it could be very good for body recomposition.
What do you think? Has anyone tried it?

I'll be using this therapy for the next 6 months and I'll let you know the results.

 

[Bunts]

I'm about to buy HGH because of the low price I found for 24 IU.
I'm currently taking Reta 2mg weekly. After reading many studies on GLP-1 and HGH and their synergies and benefits when taken together, like this article:

https://ampouletude.com/article/combined-rhgh-glp1-agonist-body-recomposition-fat-loss-muscle-gain-metabolic-health

I think it could be very good for body recomposition.
What do you think? Has anyone tried it?

I'll be using this therapy for the next 6 months and I'll let you know the results.

Id be very interested in this too. Oddly enough im about to start the same.

Have been on Reta for almost 6 months now and plan on starting 2iu before bed every day - starting next week.

Perhaps we can compare notes as we go?

Side Note: Im not on any PEDs or TRT etc. No 'enhancements' so to speak.

 

[Chopper]

Id be very interested in this too. Oddly enough im about to start the same.

Have been on Reta for almost 6 months now and plan on starting 2iu before bed every day - starting next week.

Perhaps we can compare notes as we go?

Side Note: Im not on any PEDs or TRT etc. No 'enhancements' so to speak.

FWIW,
I've been using gh alongside Tirz/Reta for about a month now. I stick to 1.5-2iu per day as my blood sugar runs the best in that range, slightly lower than pre hgh. Before gh I ran Tesa/Ipa for a short spell. Both hgh and Tesa/Ipa had a similar effect on shrinking my stomach quicker, but the hgh effects overall seem more pronounced and it's cheaper by a fair margin. This is by no means advice, just my experience in the short time that I've used them.
Chopper

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

 

[CNCCurrency]

FWIW,
I've been using gh alongside Tirz/Reta for about a month now. I stick to 1.5-2iu per day as my blood sugar runs the best in that range, slightly lower than pre hgh. Before gh I ran Tesa/Ipa for a short spell. Both hgh and Tesa/Ipa had a similar effect on shrinking my stomach quicker, but the hgh effects overall seem more pronounced and it's cheaper by a fair margin. This is by no means advice, just my experience in the short time that I've used them.
Chopper

Same here

 

[Dogmandu]

I'm not discouraging you from trying rHGH, whether you got it for a deal or not. Many use it and have great things to say. I am curious myself.

For improved body comp, I suggest going up from 2 mg Reta first. Then try a GH secretagogue like Tesamorelin first before HGH. You can get a significant increase in IGF-1 from Tesamorelin, without shutting down your endogenous GH production. Tesa is not an overnight cure - it's a slow but proven thing for belly fat and recovery.

After a couple of months at 6-8 mg Reta + 1-2 mg Tesa, you still want more, then: TRT, HGH, Ostarine await.

 

[Vash]

I’m now on Test, Reta, and HGH. Been on test for years. Just started Reta again 5 weeks ago. And started HGH about the same time.
Haven’t noticed any changes in my physique so far. Am down a few lbs but I’ve also been more disciplined with macros/calories. Biggest thing I’ve noticed was HGH has vastly improved my sleep. Which I’m sure is improving other things.

 

[Omxxl]

I'm not discouraging you from trying rHGH, whether you got it for a deal or not. Many use it and have great things to say. I am curious myself.

For improved body comp, I suggest going up from 2 mg Reta first. Then try a GH secretagogue like Tesamorelin first before HGH. You can get a significant increase in IGF-1 from Tesamorelin, without shutting down your endogenous GH production. Tesa is not an overnight cure - it's a slow but proven thing for belly fat and recovery.

After a couple of months at 6-8 mg Reta + 1-2 mg Tesa, you still want more, then: TRT, HGH, Ostarine await.

I've been on TRT since 2022. I've tried HGH three times in my life, but never with Reta, and I loved its potential. The magic of HGH is that its effects appear after several months.

The problem I had was with my blood sugar; when I used it for six months, it caused insulin resistance.

Reta improves that aspect, and I see it as a winning combination.

I'll buy enough for a year and start my next protocol:

Month 1: 2 IU HGH 2.5 mg RT
Month 2: 3 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 3: 3 IU HGH 3.5 mg RT
Month 4: 4 IU HGH 4 mg RT
Month 5: 4 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 6: 4 IU HGH 2 mg RT

What do you think? This is in addition to my TRT of 125 mg/week of testosterone enanthate.

 

[Volkswagen57]

I'm not discouraging you from trying rHGH, whether you got it for a deal or not. Many use it and have great things to say. I am curious myself.

For improved body comp, I suggest going up from 2 mg Reta first. Then try a GH secretagogue like Tesamorelin first before HGH. You can get a significant increase in IGF-1 from Tesamorelin, without shutting down your endogenous GH production. Tesa is not an overnight cure - it's a slow but proven thing for belly fat and recovery.

After a couple of months at 6-8 mg Reta + 1-2 mg Tesa, you still want more, then: TRT, HGH, Ostarine await.

From my research (just a guy on the internet) while it does "shut down endogenous production", it returns after stopping exogenous hgh rather quickly. But correct me if I've misspoken

 

[DoctaDave]

From my research (just a guy on the internet) while it does "shut down endogenous production", it returns after stopping exogenous hgh rather quickly. But correct me if I've misspoken

I’ve also read that. Endogenous production returns within days. Not sure about super doses though.

 

[Omxxl]

Many studies demonstrate normalization after a period of time using rHGH.

Studies indicate that endogenous HGH secretion begins to recover shortly after discontinuing the injection. In some treatment studies, endogenous levels began to show signs of recovery 24–36 hours later and returned to control levels within 48–60 hours.

Even after prolonged use (e.g., two years), the pituitary gland appears to be able to resume natural HGH production.

 

[lessthanhalf]

I assume you are planning on checking IGF-1 levels ( and blood pressure, lipids and glucose ) before you start and after. I do not know your age, but those doses are significantly higher than physiological at all ages and could cause long term health risks, mainly cardiovascular ones. Making sure IGF-1 is not super high might at least reduce those risks. My IGF-1 went to 50nmol/l or 5 standard deviations above normal on 1.5iu/day, which is definitely not safe. ( taking it to try to help maintain a 54% weight loss )
The article mentioned at the top, is not pseudoscience, which is good, but a balanced presentation of the information would have a lot more uncertainty, and much more discussion of the risks of hgh therapy. There is no established scientific research on the combination in humans, it is all theoretical. Doctors do not use hgh for weight control or muscle maintenance /improvement as the risks are thought to outweigh the benefits. Reading about hgh and its side effects is essential before starting it , preferably from scientific papers or solid science based sources. Anyone selling anything can be a source of biased or incomplete information.

 

[Elgordoboy]

You might put in "for my age" with your 5 standard standard deviations. My igf1 is 2.3 standard deviations elevated for my age but inside range for a younger man. Which has been my aim in TRT. Perhaps it's not unsafe but "definitely not safe" is a bit alarmist I imagine.

 

[Dogmandu]

I've been on TRT since 2022. I've tried HGH three times in my life, but never with Reta, and I loved its potential. The magic of HGH is that its effects appear after several months.

The problem I had was with my blood sugar; when I used it for six months, it caused insulin resistance.

Reta improves that aspect, and I see it as a winning combination.

I'll buy enough for a year and start my next protocol:

Month 1: 2 IU HGH 2.5 mg RT
Month 2: 3 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 3: 3 IU HGH 3.5 mg RT
Month 4: 4 IU HGH 4 mg RT
Month 5: 4 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 6: 4 IU HGH 2 mg RT

What do you think? This is in addition to my TRT of 125 mg/week of testosterone enanthate.

Based on your original post, I'll assume body recomp is the key goal for you.

Your 125 mg test per week will help. Training hard is (obviously) a non-negotiable, so nothing more to add on that.

To be blunt, your plan seems low reward + high risk to me. The best plans are the opposite. Since you developed insulin resistance with HGH (this is a real problem), then I do not understand why you have Reta peaking at just 4 mg. Why lean on 4 IU of HGH with its known list of risks? Yet you are not leaning heavier into Reta, which is far less risky and will do both - body recomp and manage blood glucose?

By Month 6, if it were me, I'd be at <3 IU HGH + 8-10 mg Reta. Better yet, I'd be at 1 mg daily Tesamorelin + 8 g Reta if tolerated, which is a low-risk + high-reward plan.

Also, get an IGF-1 reading at 2, 3, and 4 IU and let that drive your dosing. HGH can easily drive IGF-1 to supraphysiological levels, bypassing feedback loops...unless you are measuring and adjusting. I doubt you'd need to be worried about 2 IU, but I wouldn't fly blind with 4 IU. At 4 IU and higher, insulin resistance is not your biggest risk!

 

[timfa]

I'm not discouraging you from trying rHGH, whether you got it for a deal or not. Many use it and have great things to say. I am curious myself.

For improved body comp, I suggest going up from 2 mg Reta first. Then try a GH secretagogue like Tesamorelin first before HGH. You can get a significant increase in IGF-1 from Tesamorelin, without shutting down your endogenous GH production. Tesa is not an overnight cure - it's a slow but proven thing for belly fat and recovery.

After a couple of months at 6-8 mg Reta + 1-2 mg Tesa, you still want more, then: TRT, HGH, Ostarine await.

I see where you’re coming from but I truly don’t think that a secretagogue would help, it’s just more time and money wasted, endogenous GH production bounces right back so you’re better off using the superior peptide. I do agree that he’s better off upping the Reta dose before getting on HGH though.

 

[Omxxl]

Based on your original post, I'll assume body recomp is the key goal for you.

Your 125 mg test per week will help. Training hard is (obviously) a non-negotiable, so nothing more to add on that.

To be blunt, your plan seems low reward + high risk to me. The best plans are the opposite. Since you developed insulin resistance with HGH (this is a real problem), then I do not understand why you have Reta peaking at just 4 mg. Why lean on 4 IU of HGH with its known list of risks? Yet you are not leaning heavier into Reta, which is far less risky and will do both - body recomp and manage blood glucose?

By Month 6, if it were me, I'd be at <3 IU HGH + 8-10 mg Reta. Better yet, I'd be at 1 mg daily Tesamorelin + 8 g Reta if tolerated, which is a low-risk + high-reward plan.

Also, get an IGF-1 reading at 2, 3, and 4 IU and let that drive your dosing. HGH can easily drive IGF-1 to supraphysiological levels, bypassing feedback loops...unless you are measuring and adjusting. I doubt you'd need to be worried about 2 IU, but I wouldn't fly blind with 4 IU. At 4 IU and higher, insulin resistance is not your biggest risk!

Thanks for the input. I wasn't thinking of increasing the Reta dose because I'm already experiencing quite a bit of nighttime nervousness with just 2 mg. But you're right about monitoring IGF1 and considering going above 2 IU of HGH.

On the other hand, I'll try a higher Reta dose as long as you can tolerate the side effects.

 

[Dogmandu]

Thanks for the input. I wasn't thinking of increasing the Reta dose because I'm already experiencing quite a bit of nighttime nervousness with just 2 mg. But you're right about monitoring IGF1 and considering going above 2 IU of HGH.

On the other hand, I'll try a higher Reta dose as long as you can tolerate the side effects.

Fair enough. Side effects are a good reason to take it slow with Reta. I did. You may find that after staying at 4 mg Reta for a few months, giving your body time to adapt, that you can titrate up with less difficulty. It may be the initial few mg that cause problems. Also, see if a few days of moderate to high carbs help with sleep and night time nervousness.

 

[Omxxl]

Fair enough. Side effects are a good reason to take it slow with Reta. I did. You may find that after staying at 4 mg Reta for a few months, giving your body time to adapt, that you can titrate up with less difficulty. It may be the initial few mg that cause problems. Also, see if a few days of moderate to high carbs help with sleep and night time nervousness.

Thanks for the advice! I learned it the hard way, since I had a rough time with the low-carb diet and the challenge. I increased my carbs and my sleep improved a lot, although it's still not like it was before the challenge.

 

[Dogmandu]

Thanks for the advice! I learned it the hard way, since I had a rough time with the low-carb diet and the challenge. I increased my carbs and my sleep improved a lot, although it's still not like it was before the challenge.

Carbs!!

A lot of people bring their previous dietary habits/baggage over when starting Reta. Like low-carb or fasting. I know I did. I'd been low-carb for decade plus. Reta is already a soft fasting mimic. There's no need to strictly limit carbs on Reta. Reintroducing carbs, especially at dinner, improved sleep quality. I've rediscovered bananas, which I used to think of as sugar-filled franken-fruit. But I now eat one half-ripe banana before my workout and one after. Something that I would have never done pre-GLP. Half-ripe bananas are also rich in prebiotic fibers, which will fix Reta-associated constipation.

 

[Itankstuff]

I've been running CJC(No DAC)/IPA for 2 months now with good results, however after doing some research am going to just move over to HGH 2-4IU at night.

My main concern is quality of HGH. I want to get a Chinese generic due to price (genuine generic, not unlabelled) but it's next to impossible to find any that ships to Australia.

 

[Calm Logic]

Based on your original post, I'll assume body recomp is the key goal for you.

Your 125 mg test per week will help. Training hard is (obviously) a non-negotiable, so nothing more to add on that.

To be blunt, your plan seems low reward + high risk to me. The best plans are the opposite. Since you developed insulin resistance with HGH (this is a real problem), then I do not understand why you have Reta peaking at just 4 mg. Why lean on 4 IU of HGH with its known list of risks? Yet you are not leaning heavier into Reta, which is far less risky and will do both - body recomp and manage blood glucose?

By Month 6, if it were me, I'd be at <3 IU HGH + 8-10 mg Reta. Better yet, I'd be at 1 mg daily Tesamorelin + 8 g Reta if tolerated, which is a low-risk + high-reward plan.

Also, get an IGF-1 reading at 2, 3, and 4 IU and let that drive your dosing. HGH can easily drive IGF-1 to supraphysiological levels, bypassing feedback loops...unless you are measuring and adjusting. I doubt you'd need to be worried about 2 IU, but I wouldn't fly blind with 4 IU. At 4 IU and higher, insulin resistance is not your biggest risk!

Also, at my age of 49 now, I would feel safer with tesa for extended use, especially if on TRT, though less potential reward as well. In general, growth is the opposite of longevity.

Even at conservative doses, HGH + TRT can be Miracle-Gro in a bad way potentially over the long term, like getting an early start with prostate enlargement (benign prostatic hyperplasia). Studies show up to 15 percent increase in prostate enlargement with either therapy, but up to 50 percent increase with the combination of both (HGH + TRT). The percentages may not matter for individual risk, but the combination is definitely riskier.

Some guys at Meso wonder if their heart or prostate will end their AAS use first. Finasteride every other day is one option if PSA goes up too fast. The one prostate surgery for symptomatic, enlarged prostate that doesn't require catheterization (UroLift) is the least effective over the long term, but it can be done every so often.

More importantly, regarding the heart:

HGH (via IGF-1) doesn't just grow skeletal muscle; it signals the heart muscle to thicken. Combined with the increased blood pressure and hematocrit (thick blood) often caused by TRT, the heart walls can become thick and less elastic.

Comparison: TRT vs. HGH vs. The Stack (Age 40+)

Feature	TRT Alone	HGH Alone (4 IU)	The Stack (Both)
Primary Driver	Androgen receptor activation.	IGF-1 systemic signaling.	Dual-pathway hypertrophy.
Prostate Impact	Moderate; driven by DHT conversion.	Low-Moderate; cell proliferation.	High; TRT primes receptors for GH signals.
Muscle Growth	High (Myofibrillar / Strength).	Moderate (Hyperplasia / Recovery).	Exceptional; synthesis & satellite cells.
Water Retention	Moderate (Sodium/E2 related).	High (Extracellular fluid).	Severe; joint pressure & "moon face".
Cardio Risk	RBC thickening (Hematocrit).	Heart wall thickening (LVH).	Compounded; thick blood + thick heart.
Metabolic Risk	Improves insulin sensitivity.	Can cause insulin resistance.	Variable; TRT can mask GH-induced issues.
Joint Health	Can be "dry" if E2 is low.	"Healing" effect; collagen boost.	Superior; high strength + high collagen.

The "Miracle-Gro" Logic for Age 40+At 40, you are starting the "exposure clock" early. TRT provides the instruction for prostate cells to function; HGH provides the fuel for them to multiply. Over a 5-to-10-year window, the combination significantly increases the likelihood of Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH) symptoms compared to using either agent in isolation.

Strategic Mitigation for the Long-Term:

Optimize TRT First: Dial in your testosterone and hematocrit before adding growth factors.

HGH Titration: 1–2 IU captures the majority of recovery/anti-aging benefits with significantly less "organ-growth" risk than 4 IU.

Cyclical Dosing: Reserve the 4 IU dose for 8–12 week "blasts" rather than a permanent cruise to avoid permanent structural remodeling of the heart or prostate.

Comparative Risk of "Miracle-Gro" Effect: TRT vs. HGH

Organ / System	TRT (Testosterone)	HGH (Growth Hormone)	Combined (TRT + HGH)
Heart (Myocardium)	Moderate Risk: Can cause LVH via androgen receptors.	Moderate Risk: Promotes cardiac cell growth/collagen via IGF-1.	High Risk: Synergistic wall thickening and diastolic dysfunction.
Prostate	Direct Risk: Stimulates tissue; can worsen BPH.	Indirect Risk: IGF-1 promotes general glandular division.	Very High Risk: Combined androgenic and mitogenic stimulation.
Intestines / Viscera	Low Risk: Minimal impact on smooth muscle/organ size.	High Risk: Abundant IGF-1 receptors; leads to visceromegaly.	High Risk: HGH is the primary driver of "GH Gut" effects.
Skin & Connective Tissue	Low Risk: Primarily impacts sebaceous glands (acne).	High Risk: Skin thickening, carpal tunnel, and joint growth.	High Risk: Coarsening of features and chronic fluid retention.
Pancreas / Metabolism	Protective: Often improves insulin sensitivity via fat loss.	High Risk: Directly antagonizes insulin; diabetogenic.	Moderate/High Risk: TRT may offset, but net risk remains elevated.
Neoplasia (Tumors)	Specific Risk: Primarily androgen-sensitive tissues (prostate).	Systemic Risk: IGF-1 acts as a general "fertilizer" for occult cancer.	Maximum Risk: High-octane environment for cellular proliferation.

Key Takeaways for Long-Term Use:

Hypertrophy vs. Hyperplasia: TRT mostly makes existing cells bigger; HGH encourages the creation of new cells.

Receptor Potentiation: Androgens can upregulate IGF-1 receptors, making a "conservative" dose of HGH more proliferative than it would be alone.

Monitoring: Regular screening (ECHO, PSA, HbA1c, and Colonoscopy) is essential to ensure "growth" remains limited to skeletal muscle.

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Anecdotally, some people diagnosed with cancer have additional psychological burden/guilt/regret due to previous HGH use, even though not knowing if it was a factor. In the AI-generated table for estimating potential cancer risk, HGH unsurprisingly ranked the highest compared to the other peptides/substances some of us are on.

Personally, no family history of cancer or smoking, so I'm not too concerned about cancer, and I was not obese most of my adult life. So most of my concern is cardiovascular. I am currently finishing a vial of HGH, going to try tesa next.

 

[Chris Thomas]

I've been on TRT since 2022. I've tried HGH three times in my life, but never with Reta, and I loved its potential. The magic of HGH is that its effects appear after several months.

The problem I had was with my blood sugar; when I used it for six months, it caused insulin resistance.

Reta improves that aspect, and I see it as a winning combination.

I'll buy enough for a year and start my next protocol:

Month 1: 2 IU HGH 2.5 mg RT
Month 2: 3 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 3: 3 IU HGH 3.5 mg RT
Month 4: 4 IU HGH 4 mg RT
Month 5: 4 IU HGH 3 mg RT
Month 6: 4 IU HGH 2 mg RT

What do you think? This is in addition to my TRT of 125 mg/week of testosterone enanthate.

Omxxl, I am curious, how old are you? I guess if I am aking your age it would be proper for me to share my age....54.

 

[Omxxl]

Omxxl, I am curious, how old are you? I guess if I am aking your age it would be proper for me to share my age....54.

I'm 47 years old

 

[Calm Logic]

From Meso, arguing that tirz can be better than reta for mitigating HGH insulin resistance:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hgh-retatrutide.134432735/post-3616609

If you have weight to lose, and/or you're susceptible to diabetes (get an A1C blood test before starting, as well as baseline IGF, both cheap tests), Tirz will work better than Reta. Its insulin sensitivity improving (ie, anti-diabetic) effects are superior to Reta. Reta will dump even more glucose into your blood, potentially worsening the situation if you're borderline pre-diabetic.

Similarly:

Comparison for HGH Users

Feature	Tirzepatide	Retatrutide
Primary Benefit	Superior Glycemic Control. Best for protecting the pancreas and managing HGH-induced spikes.	Maximum Fat Loss. Best for breaking through fat loss plateaus via increased metabolic rate.
Glucagon Action	None (Actually suppresses glucagon).	Agonist. Promotes hepatic glucose output, which may conflict with HGH.
A1C Impact	Consistent, significant reduction; highly "anti-diabetic."	Variable; potent for weight loss, but requires tighter monitoring of glucose.
Ideal Candidate	Users with elevated A1C (>5.7) or those running higher HGH dosages (>3-4 IU).	Leaner users with healthy glucose markers looking for "finishing" fat loss.

 

[Omxxl]

I understood that HGH made you insulin resistant, while Reta does the opposite, so the synergy is greater. They also complement each other in fat oxidation. What is certain is that a high intake of carbohydrates and protein is necessary, along with serious weight training.
I've seen several fitness and bodybuilding enthusiasts use it in their protocols with considerable success. Nick Walker was one of those who spoke about Reta.

 

[Dydanz]

From Meso, arguing that tirz can be better than reta for mitigating HGH insulin resistance:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hgh-retatrutide.134432735/post-3616609

Similarly:

Yeah that's the reason i swapped reta for tirz

 

[Calm Logic]

All the bros are on reta and HGH. So it's just shocking to see anyone on Meso mentioning tirz, but Ghoul there is my favorite poster by far, so I'm not surprised he was the one who mentioned it.

They are often on higher doses of HGH over there, along with everything else they take (like up to a gram of steroids a week). A lot of the guys there look great, but it's YOLO dosing as the norm there (great for selling life insurance).

So if we are inspired to be on HGH because of the bro culture, we need to be careful, since even some at Meso think HGH is overrated:

"Is this just a big circle jerk?"

For some entertaining bro science:

https://www.thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hgh-high-dosing.134426854/post-3343715

Lots of water og numb hands when at 20iu.
Did it gave me more gains that 12iu.
I looked very full and crazy pump.but I need straps for all me lift.

Yeah but most water in the muscle. I would never do lower than 8-10iu. Only use when getting back on HGH. I only use generic. 4-6 IU I did not see that much different.

I bumped it to 12. I look more round and I could eat more shit and looked better.

What I like about the GH peptides the most is they motivate me to eat less by fasting around their administration. And I do take them for "recovery," but I don't know how much it helps. From the studies I remember, they may be good for the brain too, if not overdoing it. But so is exercise, etc.

 

[Bunts]

So, 1 week in, I figured id pop a little update in here now.

To be honest, no massive changes - but thats to be expected.

After a few days, I decided to up to 3iu every evening. No major sides, my right wrist is a tiny tiny bit more achy than usual but its so subtle it could have been there before. I suffer with wrist ache anyway, so its not like its appeared overnight.

To preface this, I am using Reta & HGH together and am currently in a cutting phase. However, I do feel like my belly fat is beginning to shrink a bit. Recovery isnt brilliant, but I think thats for other reasons and id like to say that the HGH is helping my recovery, but I have no way of definitively proving that. I am getting some pretty epic pumps in the gym, but again this could be due to upping my carbs slightly.

Im excited to see where this goes!

 

[Bunts]

Another few weeks on!

Now at 4iu, still nightly. This is my peak dose and I wont be going higher, at least I dont think so.

Water retention is still there, and trending upwards unfortunately. This is the downside I have to accept was going to happen, and its not bothering me all that much. I do look 'fuller', which I dont hate. Ive lost some definition, but its manageable. No CT symptoms at all anymore, thank goodness - although it was only very minor, even at its 'worst'.

Bodyfat is still trending downward. Over a 31 day period, my smartwatch has calculated I have gone from 19.1% to ~16%. Weight has stayed broadly similar, as has strength in the gym. Im actually progressing now, even though im in a deficit - body comp, whoop!

This is backed up by skeletal muscle trending upwards. 31.3kg to 32.8kg.

Disclaimer: These figures are provided by my samsung smartwatch, with my weight given by some relatively inexpensive scales. I am consistent in my weigh times though. I focus on trends, not actual numbers, but it makes for an easier explanation using numbers in this context.

Are the figures above 'only' due to HGH, I doubt it. Reta + working out like a hound, will definitely be playing a part here. However, whats really interesting is that the only change in the last month has been the addition of HGH. I have broadly worked out the same amount, with the same exercises, and in the same calorific deficit.

Ill be running HGH for the foreseeable!

Thanks for reading 🙂

 

[bayardtrustin]

Another few weeks on!

Now at 4iu, still nightly. This is my peak dose and I wont be going higher, at least I dont think so.

Water retention is still there, and trending upwards unfortunately. This is the downside I have to accept was going to happen, and its not bothering me all that much. I do look 'fuller', which I dont hate. Ive lost some definition, but its manageable. No CT symptoms at all anymore, thank goodness - although it was only very minor, even at its 'worst'.

Bodyfat is still trending downward. Over a 31 day period, my smartwatch has calculated I have gone from 19.1% to ~16%. Weight has stayed broadly similar, as has strength in the gym. Im actually progressing now, even though im in a deficit - body comp, whoop!

This is backed up by skeletal muscle trending upwards. 31.3kg to 32.8kg.

Disclaimer: These figures are provided by my samsung smartwatch, with my weight given by some relatively inexpensive scales. I am consistent in my weigh times though. I focus on trends, not actual numbers, but it makes for an easier explanation using numbers in this context.

Are the figures above 'only' due to HGH, I doubt it. Reta + working out like a hound, will definitely be playing a part here. However, whats really interesting is that the only change in the last month has been the addition of HGH. I have broadly worked out the same amount, with the same exercises, and in the same calorific deficit.

Ill be running HGH for the foreseeable!

Thanks for reading 🙂

Just wrapped up my first week on HGH at 2 IU and I’ve already noticed a big improvement in my sleep. I’m dosing first thing in the morning around 5:30 AM.

I’m about 15 lbs from my goal weight. The scale is still trending down, just slowly, but my clothes are definitely getting looser, which is encouraging.

So far, I’m really liking how things are going. I think I’ll be on H for the foreseeable future too.