Bitcoin sub 65k time to buy?

I never understand what drives the highs and lows of bitcoin.

I will say there was a dip a while ago and some vendors, including my main one, refused to take bitcoin during that time.
 
I'm hoping for a rebound just to cash out one final time.

Quantum computing plus AI advancements constantly having exploits right now it's probably not too good of a long term outlook. Short term I guess the old saying still applies, buy the dip but I'm personally done holding to the hot potato for too long.
 
Is anyone else here buying the dip today it just hit a 90 day low. I see it as a sale haha.

If anyone has a reason why I shouldn’t be buying please let me know before I spent my way into oblivion
2c from as someone who’s been dealing with crypto for more than a decade now.

I used to be a significant miner and I’ve tracked crypto prices for a long time

Don’t buy it’s not a dip. Or rather, it’s not the bottom.

Bitcoin became massively over bought over the last several years because of a mixture of hype, consumer sentiment, and large institutional investors deciding it was a good idea to diversify their massive portfolios with

Fast-forward to now and this slow drain on price we’ve seen for the last year or so is because a lot of of these institutional investors are divesting their portfolio of bitcoin and other crypto. They have holdings but if they sell it all at once the market crashes and they lose a lot of money, because there is not anywhere near enough volume in the crypto markets to absorb rapid liquidation like there is in stock or bond markets

What we are seeing is not a dip, it’s the result of some very big fish in a relatively small pond slowly liquidating assets so that they don’t crash the market and sell themselves short


But hey, I’m not a wizard. I can’t see the future and I’m not omniscient. I’m giving you my honest opinion as somebody who’s just been involved in the crypto industry for a lot longer than most.
 
2c from as someone who’s been dealing with crypto for more than a decade now.

I used to be a significant miner and I’ve tracked crypto prices for a long time

Don’t buy it’s not a dip. Or rather, it’s not the bottom.

Bitcoin became massively over by over the last several years because of a mixture of hype, consumer sentiment, and institutional investors, deciding it was a good idea to diversify portfolios with

Fast-forward to now and this slow drain on price we’ve seen for the last year or so is because a lot of of these institutional investors are diverting their portfolio of bitcoin and other crypto

What we are seeing is not a dip, it’s the result of some very big fish in a relatively small pond slowly liquidating assets so that they don’t crash the market and sell themselves short


But hey, I’m not a wizard. I can’t see the future and I’m not omniscient. I’m giving you my honest opinion as somebody who’s just been involved in the crypto industry for a lot longer than most.

where will it stop? I've seen some claim going to near zero, thoughts? I'm clueless bystander... don't shoot me. lol
 
where will it stop? I've seen some claim going to near zero, thoughts? I'm clueless bystander... don't shoot me. lol
I can’t tell you where it will stop, has anybody could tell you that they wouldn’t be posting here they would be sailing their super yacht around the world

If I had to wager my life savings I would say that it’s not going to hit zero in the next decade, but I don’t think you’re asking the right question whatsoever.

The right question is not “ but is it going to hit zero dollars in value?” the right question is “ How can I be relatively confident in deciding when to buy or sell”

And the answer to that question is just watching long-term trends and waiting for stabilization. This isn’t any different than the stock or bond markets, you are never going to be able to time a dip or a peak, so don’t even try, just watch trends overtime, and try to decide when you’re in an upswing not a local minima or maxima
 
Microsoft is saying they will have a viable quantum chip out my 2029. Pretty much all cryptography will be vulnerable. I don't know that the blockchain will survive it. I think a lot of money is going to exit until it is proved safe.
 
Microsoft is saying they will have a viable quantum chip out my 2029. Pretty much all cryptography will be vulnerable. I don't know that the blockchain will survive it. I think a lot of money is going to exit until it is proved safe.
literally a 100% non-issue. My field is very cryptography-adjacent and its something i need to understand for my job role... quantum compute doesnt break any modern cryptography, all it does is require that either 1) key space grows to counteract the increased effectiveness of quantum algorithms like Shor's (easy) or 2) you use a different crypto primitive (still easy). AES-256 is already considered quantum resistant, and thats one of the reasons modern cipher algos have already migrated from AES128 to AES256. If need be, AES512 will be standardized which will be 2^256 times as resistant to factorization than AES256... if quantum compute becomes becomes able to factor AES256 in 1 second, then migrating to AES512 will require 10^67 centuries to crack, longer than the lifetime of the universe. Numbers just work like that.

There also exist entire cipher suites where no known quantum-native algorithms currently exist that will can reduce computational complexity, such as lattice fields

This is a very well researched and well understood topic in the field of number theory and nothing becomes "broken" it just becomes a game where we need to use bigger numbers or swap to different primitives. Modern cryptography is still cryptographically secure against quantum algorithms when key size is scaled larger or when we dont rely on prime factorization or discrete logarithms for complexity.

In crypto currency specifically, algos have become "broken" before and this isnt new territory whatsoever.

When this sort of thing happens and the hashing algo is in danger or has become "broken" the community performs a "fork". they adjust the parameters or the primitives to something which is safe. in the case of post-quantum cryptography this generally just means scaling key size larger, you normally dont actually need to change any of the primitives, just use some larger primes

Maybe quantum becomes a real threat they just migrate away from elliptic curve and start using lattice, or something else that doesnt require factorization or discrete logarithms, idk, its a design decision for the developers.

BTC has been through 3 forks already, one was due to algorithm changes. Monero has been though several to prevent ASIC attacks on the algorithm. litecoin had 2, etherum has had like 10 or more.

this is pretty standard and when crypto communities feel the need to address post-quantum cryptography they will do so, just like they have done in the past with ASIC mining breaking their algos
 
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Bitcoin, like any currency or investment, is only worth what the buyers in that market are willing to pay for it. Just like the US Dollar or Mongolian government bonds, it has no intrinsic or tangible value (unlike antibiotics or ammunition or MREs or iodine tablets).

It won't hit zero bevause when it hits $1 I will buy all of it. But it will never hit $1 because when it hits $2 someone richer than me will buy it all. But it will never hit $2 because when it hits $3 an even richer.... you get the idea.

So where does it stop? I don't know. If I did, I would borrow a shitload of money and make a shitload more. If I had to guess, the floor is probably 50k.

I know there's a hypothetical threat from quantum computing but that is far enough away that I am more concerned with how I am going to pay for my HGH because I likely won't live to see that mess.

Also, the first person to crack BTC will send it to zero, and will have won the internet money game worth $0. Also, BTC can always hard fork and upgrade the encryption protocol to something that works, or perhaps a new crypto altogether. I also think they're not even close to having enough power to meaningfully crack 2 passes of SHA256. AND even if someone has that power, there are way more valuable things to crack than BTC, government secrets, blackmail etc. It's a hypothetical threat that does not affect the current price. Most of us just want to buy drugs.

And if BTC goes to zero, I'll use a different currency like monero or litecoin or something else, there will always be another option. Price fluctuations don't matter when I buy and spend the crypto on the same day.

If you want to use BTC as a speculative investment, whatever. It's a bloodbath, always has been. Different people have different risk appetites, I just like to watch and chuckle.
 
where will it stop? I've seen some claim going to near zero, thoughts? I'm clueless bystander... don't shoot me. lol
I have seen this too - people putting money on it going to near zero. Are they crazy? IDK. The whole thing is too volatile for me - I use USDT or USDC, but it is interesting to be in the stands watching.
 
literally a 100% non-issue.
I don't know if it will be an issue or not but it's more about perception than reality. If 1 wallet gets compromised, there will be a crash. Even if it is not directly. Between AI and Quantum we are going to see all kinds of security issues over the next several years. What about when one of them breaks a password manager and there is a major theft? It won't matter that it wasn't the blockchain's fault. People are going to get scared and you may end up in a viscous circle with people selling so prices drop and more people sell. Then the media will jump on it. They are just starting to talk about it but when things start breaking it will be everywhere. I think a lot people, including big players are going to want to sit on the sidelines to see how it plays out. I am a bitcoin fan and I would really like to see it be adopted much more widely than it is, but I worry that we are in for a long period of uncertainty.
 
I am so bad at crypto, I didn't realize it could drop! Lesson learned, don't leave BTC just hanging out in Exodus waiting for a sale. I could have bought a couple of kits with what I lost. Just when I think I am getting better at this....
 
I don't know if it will be an issue or not but it's more about perception than reality. If 1 wallet gets compromised, there will be a crash. Even if it is not directly. Between AI and Quantum we are going to see all kinds of security issues over the next several years. What about when one of them breaks a password manager and there is a major theft? It won't matter that it wasn't the blockchain's fault. People are going to get scared and you may end up in a viscous circle with people selling so prices drop and more people sell. Then the media will jump on it. They are just starting to talk about it but when things start breaking it will be everywhere. I think a lot people, including big players are going to want to sit on the sidelines to see how it plays out. I am a bitcoin fan and I would really like to see it be adopted much more widely than it is, but I worry that we are in for a long period of uncertainty.
wallets get compromised all the time. blockchains have been broken before and the solution has been selecting a block from before the compromise occurred and forking it at that point in time with a new safeguard that blocks the attack moving forward, throwing out all the data from the compromise.

this isnt new. its a solved problem.

But you are right, nothing stops popsci and mass media fear porn from making people afraid of things they dont fully understand and panic selloffs are very real in any financial market
 
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wallets get compromised all the time. blockchains have been broken before and the solution has been selecting a block from before the compromise occurred and forking it at that point in time with a new safeguard that blocks the attack moving forward, throwing out all the data from the compromise.

this isnt new. its a solved problem.
What happens to all the legitimate transactions that happened after the compromise?
 
What happens to all the legitimate transactions that happened after the compromise?

Historically it’s depended on if the block was rolled back or hard forked. Generally, the developers propose something and people vote on what to do, occasionally developers just do it on their own, and everyone is told to adopt the new chain, but that’s less common and only on smaller networks.

Probably the most famous example of this is the attack on a massive smart contract on the ethereum network about a decade ago. In this case, the network decided to hard Fork and all of the transactions from the original chain after the fork were undone.

The entire Ethereum community did not accept the hard Fork and that’s where Ethereum Classic comes from. It’s the original unaltered Blockchain of the Ethereum network.

Bitcoin Cash is another example of a hard fork, but in this case they just chose a point in time and everything up to that point remained valid, and everything after that point occurred on their own network



If an entire cryptocurrency network became unexpectedly compromised through some sort of existential crisis It would probably trigger an emergency community consensus to figure out what they want to do and how to handle it, and honestly it’s up to them, maybe people vote to do a hard fork and change the algorithm, but maintain all the transactions except ones that look suspicious or maybe they throw them all out and fork from a “last known good” block it would basically be a community vote in most cases
 
I never understand what drives the highs and lows of bitcoin.

I will say there was a dip a while ago and some vendors, including my main one, refused to take bitcoin during that time.
Simple supply and demand.

Value of any assets are simply the point where those two meet and just simple economics.

Bitcoin isn’t going to zero because it holds value much higher than that. Question is does it hold value much lower than right now? Currently we are trading in a bear market where bitcoin is dropping however 60k is a very key support level for price and would make sense to be a key level to buy. However if it drops much lower then struggles to get back above 60k there is a good chance you can buy it at 40k
 

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