Filter yes or no

What Cheesecake said. The cons are it costs more for extra materials and you likely lose a tiny bit of your peptide, BUT you filter out bacteria and other foreign matter that may be in the vial. I'd rather spend a dollar on a filter than the hospital bill from getting a bacterial infection. Just my opinion though. No shade to those who don't.
 
What Cheesecake said. The cons are it costs more for extra materials and you likely lose a tiny bit of your peptide, BUT you filter out bacteria and other foreign matter that may be in the vial. I'd rather spend a dollar on a filter than the hospital bill from getting a bacterial infection. Just my opinion though. No shade to those who don't.
So you would reconstitute, draw with filter and put into a new sterile vial
 
Just my 2 cents — yes, filtering will add a few extra bucks and save you a lot of headache. That said, I think it's worth adding a small disclaimer here. I'm not saying you're one of these people, but I've heard a lot of 'I filter because I don't want to deal with endotoxins' and... those filters won't do a thing against endotoxins. They'll slide right through.
 
Granted I'm super new, but I don't see a downside to filtering since it costs $1-3 a filter and doesn't take more than a few minutes.

Plus, I love gear, including lab supplies. I like to feel as much like a mad scientist as possible!
You can get 100 Biologix 13mm for $50 and change, plus free shipping.
 
Just my 2 cents — yes, filtering will add a few extra bucks and save you a lot of headache. That said, I think it's worth adding a small disclaimer here. I'm not saying you're one of these people, but I've heard a lot of 'I filter because I don't want to deal with endotoxins' and... those filters won't do a thing against endotoxins. They'll slide right through.
So a filter doesn't help with endotoxins, it's more for bacteria?
 
Granted I'm super new, but I don't see a downside to filtering since it costs $1-3 a filter and doesn't take more than a few minutes.

Plus, I love gear, including lab supplies. I like to feel as much like a mad scientist as possible!

Just to play devil's advocate (not that I'm discouraging filtering) and just so there is a balanced view of the situation, the downside risk is introducing contaminants during the filtering process itself. If the lipophilized vial and the contents are sterile, then the best thing would be to reconstitute directly into the source vial. For filtering to be most effective, all the supplies used need to be sterile and an aspetic as possible technique needs to be followed. That's a lot of unknowns.

A good example is tesamorelin which is prescribed in lipophilized vials and patients reconstitute. They don't reconstitute and then filter. The reason is that the product is pharma grade and sterile. Since we don't know the actual sterility of our vials, the default is to filter. But I totally understand why some people don't filter and I don't judge them. We have a substantial "grip it and rip it" cohort here and no need to make them feel like they are doing something wrong not spending a few bucks.

The reality is that as a community we do so little sterility testing that we really don't know what we're dealing with. And even when we test it's a vial or two. Nowhere near enough vials to draw any conclusions. I filter every vial, but understand why some people don't.
 
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Just to play devil's advocate (not that I'm discouraging filtering) and just so there is a balanced view of the situation, the downside risk is introducing contaminants during the filtering process itself. If the lipophilized vial and the contents are sterile, then the best thing would be to reconstitute directly into the source vial. For filtering to be most effective, all the supplies used need to be sterile and an aspetic as possible technique needs to be followed. That's a lot of unknowns.

A good example is tesamorelin which is prescribed in lipophilized vials and patients reconstitute. They don't reconstitute and then filter. The reason is that the product is pharma grade and sterile. Since we don't know the actual sterility of our vials, the default is to filter. But I totally understand why some people don't filter and I don't judge them. We have a substantial "grip it and rip it" cohort here and no need to make them feel like they are doing something wrong not spending a few bucks.

The reality is that as a community we do so little sterility testing that we really don't know what we're dealing with. And even when we test it's a vial or two. Nowhere near enough vials to draw any conclusions. I filter every vial, but understand why some people don't.
Good points, and I didn't know that about tesa.

(I also plan on bringing back my microbiology lab days and DIY sterility testing on agar plates. Not for definitive results...but for the love of gear and tinkering! Believe me, I know I'm extra 😆🤓🔬💉)
 
You can't remove endotoxins once the lyophilized peptide is in the vial. You need to keep the vial at 250 °C to remove endotoxins, that temperature would also kill your peptides. It need to come endotoxins free from the factory, otherwise, there's no way back.
So a filter doesn't help with endotoxins, it's more for bacteria?
 
You can't remove endotoxins once the lyophilized peptide is in the vial. You need to keep the vial at 250 °C to remove endotoxins, that temperature would also kill your peptides. It need to come endotoxins free from the factory, otherwise, there's no way back.
There is one other way; positively charged filters. I've read a couple of times that the peptide itself would be filtered out, so much like the heat method, it's not viable.
 
So you would reconstitute, draw with filter and put into a new sterile vial
No. Filter goes on after you've drawn your reconstituted peptide into the syringe.

You draw into the syringe using the needle you just reconstituted with. Remove the needle. Add on a filter. Add on a new needle. Then inject into a sterile vial or pen cartridge. Remove the syringe from the filter. Draw a few units of air. Inject that thru the filter as well, to push more of your peptide into the vial/cartridge. You can also flush with a bit more BAC water, but that would require yet another needle. Gains are getting pretty minimal at this point.

Generally you can't pull a vacuum thru a filter. And it would be pointless as well.

Filters can be had as cheaply as $.50/ea. Needles less than $.10/ea if you buy in bulk. If you're using pens, the cost of the cartridge is irrelevant. So it doesn't cost much.
 
A good example is tesamorelin which is prescribed in lipophilized vials and patients reconstitute. They don't reconstitute and then filter. The reason is that the product is pharma grade and sterile. Since we don't know the actual sterility of our vials, the default is to filter. But I totally understand why some people don't filter and I don't judge them. We have a substantial "grip it and rip it" cohort here and no need to make them feel like they are doing something wrong not spending a few bucks.

The reality is that as a community we do so little sterility testing that we really don't know what we're dealing with. And even when we test it's a vial or two. Nowhere near enough vials to draw any conclusions. I filter every vial, but understand why some people don't.

This.
 
Good points, and I didn't know that about tesa.

(I also plan on bringing back my microbiology lab days and DIY sterility testing on agar plates. Not for definitive results...but for the love of gear and tinkering! Believe me, I know I'm extra 😆🤓🔬💉)

If you want to test for sterility yourself (which I think is awesome) I don’t think you even need the agar plates. Trust Pointe uses the direct innoculation method, which would be easier to replicate in a home lab. Basically, you just add the peptide to vials with culture medium, keep at the vial at the correct temperature, and monitor for turbidity over time. Sounds like a freaking fun experiment.
 
Just to play devil's advocate (not that I'm discouraging filtering) and just so there is a balanced view of the situation, the downside risk is introducing contaminants during the filtering process itself. If the lipophilized vial and the contents are sterile, then the best thing would be to reconstitute directly into the source vial. For filtering to be most effective, all the supplies used need to be sterile and an aspetic as possible technique needs to be followed. That's a lot of unknowns.

A good example is tesamorelin which is prescribed in lipophilized vials and patients reconstitute. They don't reconstitute and then filter. The reason is that the product is pharma grade and sterile. Since we don't know the actual sterility of our vials, the default is to filter. But I totally understand why some people don't filter and I don't judge them. We have a substantial "grip it and rip it" cohort here and no need to make them feel like they are doing something wrong not spending a few bucks.

The reality is that as a community we do so little sterility testing that we really don't know what we're dealing with. And even when we test it's a vial or two. Nowhere near enough vials to draw any conclusions. I filter every vial, but understand why some people don't.
This is why I buy from vendors that provide mass, purity, sterility, and endotoxin test results so that I don't have to risk contaminating my own products. But of course, not every product I get contains those tests - they will need to be filtered.

When you join enough groups on telegram, it is inevitable, and in a great way, to find test results of the compound and/or peptide that you received.

I'm telling y'all, if y'all want to find out which groups provide those test results and/or want to get good quality products, DM me. I will show you the way! 🙂
 
So you would reconstitute, draw with filter and put into a new sterile vial
Recon. Draw. Remove needle, attach filter, attach new needle. Inject into a clean, depyrogenated, sterile vial. Doesn't hurt to also attach a vent.
If using a 13mm filter, flush with 0.2ml bac to push the held back peptide solution into the vial.
 
If you want to test for sterility yourself (which I think is awesome) I don’t think you even need the agar plates. Trust Pointe uses the direct innoculation method, which would be easier to replicate in a home lab. Basically, you just add the peptide to vials with culture medium, keep at the vial at the correct temperature, and monitor for turbidity over time. Sounds like a freaking fun experiment.
If I knew how to post a GIF here, it would be Mr. Burns saying “Eeeehxcellent!” 😁
 
Just to play devil's advocate (not that I'm discouraging filtering) and just so there is a balanced view of the situation, the downside risk is introducing contaminants during the filtering process itself. If the lipophilized vial and the contents are sterile, then the best thing would be to reconstitute directly into the source vial. For filtering to be most effective, all the supplies used need to be sterile and an aspetic as possible technique needs to be followed. That's a lot of unknowns.

A good example is tesamorelin which is prescribed in lipophilized vials and patients reconstitute. They don't reconstitute and then filter. The reason is that the product is pharma grade and sterile. Since we don't know the actual sterility of our vials, the default is to filter. But I totally understand why some people don't filter and I don't judge them. We have a substantial "grip it and rip it" cohort here and no need to make them feel like they are doing something wrong not spending a few bucks.

The reality is that as a community we do so little sterility testing that we really don't know what we're dealing with. And even when we test it's a vial or two. Nowhere near enough vials to draw any conclusions. I filter every vial, but understand why some people don't.
wait so are you saying do not filter tesa?
 
I reserve a about 10 units of the 2ml of bac I use to reconstitute. I then prime the filter with 5 units before I add the reconstitution to the new vile. Then I flush the filter with the remaining 5 units. I feel like I don't waste as much of the peptide but I do waste a syringe. The cost is negligible to me in order to not inject contaminants.
 
wait so are you saying do not filter tesa?

Not if you get if from a pharmacy. Unlike a lot of peptides, Tesa is actually an FDA approved medication that is supplied to patients in lipophilzed vials. So those vials definitely shouldn’t be filtered. But if your tesa is via CN, then definitely filter.

This is the prescribing info for tesa, page 2 describes the reconsitution method:

 
Not if you get if from a pharmacy. Unlike a lot of peptides, Tesa is actually an FDA approved medication that is supplied to patients in lipophilzed vials. So those vials definitely shouldn’t be filtered. But if your tesa is via CN, then definitely filter.

This is the prescribing info for tesa, page 2 describes the reconsitution method:

ah ok thanks for clarifying that for me. I just started tesa last night.... spicy af 😂
 

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