Anyone use Parrox Bac Water?

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Has anyone used Parrox Bac Water? I've seen a few Facebook ads for it lately, very reasonably priced. Would be nice to have an alternative to Hospira with prices through the roof.
 
Ask for a 3p CoA and understand what you're reading and what to look for on it.
 
I know folks who have used it and they are alive. That’s as much as I can say about it. I use Hospira…
 
As you continue to look into that or any other non-Hospira bac water, consider that sterility and endotoxins are your primary concerns, not pH or alcohol content/type. Because that's the whole point to bac water.

Also, any CoA (including a so-called "third party" one) provided by the vendor, or by anyone within a vendor's discussion board, is at best a second-party test and as such isn't worth the pixels it's printed with.

I wish there were more third-party group testing of bac water brands.
 
I have in my fridge right now. To date, I've only used vendor bac that came with my vials when I started this peptide thing three months ago. I felt the parrox was a step up 😂 and it's easy to get so that's probably the only bac I'll use for a while.
 
MikeyMike said:
Has anyone used Parrox Bac Water? I've seen a few Facebook ads for it lately, very reasonably priced. Would be nice to have an alternative to Hospira with prices through the roof.
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I bought some and just used it this morning. No ISR and not doing the kickin chicken yet. I was reading through here and someone mentioned Lambda water. It seems to be a good alternative as well.
 
For as cheap as I can get peptides, I can pay alot for hospira. But I get it from my vet.
Don't know anything about parrox bac water. But I recon I'd be most concerned about parrox damaging the peptide chain. If it didn't fuck it up completely, it could simply be a percentage. Best of Luck to you!
 
They have a CoA from Light Labs on their website. Light Labs is a real lab and the web embedded CoA seems to be their verification and assurance of the CoA being real. I sent them an email asking who certifies their GMP and is it cGMP, do they have any ISO certification etc. Let's see what they say.
 
OK got a response from Parrox:
"Thank you for reaching out to us and for your interest in learning more about our manufacturing standards and quality processes.

We understand the importance of verifying the quality and compliance of the products you purchase. We would like to assure you that all of our products are manufactured in GMP-certified facilities and are produced under strict quality control and safety standards to ensure consistency, purity, and product integrity.

However, due to confidentiality agreements and the need to protect our proprietary business operations, we are unable to disclose specific details regarding our manufacturing partners, the certifying organizations, facility certificates, testing procedures, patenting processes, or any third-party companies involved. This includes documentation related to our manufacturing facilities and their certifications.

While we strive to be as transparent as possible, we must also safeguard our proprietary business information, manufacturing relationships, and internal quality assurance processes. These measures help us maintain the integrity, security, and consistency of our products.

As long as products are purchased directly from us, you can feel confident that they are manufactured according to regulated quality standards and undergo stringent quality control measures.

We appreciate your understanding. If you have any additional questions regarding our products or their intended use, please feel free to reach out—we would be happy to assist further."

I am a SME in Non Pharma FDA Regulated Compliance and Production. So Food and Personal Care products including OTC. I have been doing this for my entire career >20Years. This is the most sketch answer I have ever seen. I am not sure I trust Parrox at this point. This is not a sufficient answer. I can understand confidentiality agreements, but they could have responded production site(s) are cGMP certified by an accredited body, or SOMETHING other than "Trust Us". Also could have commented that the production facility produces to USP standards based on X, also the facility is ISO certified say 9001 and or well as 22716 (cosmetics) or anything more than "Trust Me"

I want to be clear what I am saying here. I am not saying the Parrox BAC Water is bad, unsafe or anything of the sort, I am however saying their inability to assuage concerns outside of we use Light Labs and we are GMP makes me uncomfortable. It just shows a lack of knowledge in customer support...does that lack of knowledge mean this is a mom and pop shop and that they are winging it? That is actually something I have seen in production facilities. If you don't produce by scientific methodology but mess with your product until it is in spec of your testing parameters, that is art NOT SCIENCE and at some point you will mess up.

OK Sorry I went on and on, I am passionate about this topic since it is what I do for a living.
 
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OK got a response from Parrox:
"Thank you for reaching out to us and for your interest in learning more about our manufacturing standards and quality processes.

We understand the importance of verifying the quality and compliance of the products you purchase. We would like to assure you that all of our products are manufactured in GMP-certified facilities and are produced under strict quality control and safety standards to ensure consistency, purity, and product integrity.

However, due to confidentiality agreements and the need to protect our proprietary business operations, we are unable to disclose specific details regarding our manufacturing partners, the certifying organizations, facility certificates, testing procedures, patenting processes, or any third-party companies involved. This includes documentation related to our manufacturing facilities and their certifications.

While we strive to be as transparent as possible, we must also safeguard our proprietary business information, manufacturing relationships, and internal quality assurance processes. These measures help us maintain the integrity, security, and consistency of our products.

As long as products are purchased directly from us, you can feel confident that they are manufactured according to regulated quality standards and undergo stringent quality control measures.

We appreciate your understanding. If you have any additional questions regarding our products or their intended use, please feel free to reach out—we would be happy to assist further."

I am a SME in Non Pharma FDA Regulated Compliance and Production. So Food and Personal Care products including OTC. I have been doing this for my entire career >20Years. This is the most sketch answer I have ever seen. I am not sure I trust Parrox at this point. This is not a sufficient answer. I can understand confidentiality agreements, but they could have responded production site(s) are cGMP certified by an accredited body, or SOMETHING other than "Trust Us". Also could have commented that the production facility produces to USP standards based on X, also the facility is ISO certified say 9001 and or well as 22716 (cosmetics) or anything more than "Trust Me"

I want to be clear what I am saying here. I am not saying the Parrox BAC Water is bad, unsafe or anything of the sort, I am however saying their inability to assuage concerns outside of we use Light Labs and we are GMP makes me uncomfortable. It just shows a lack of knowledge in customer support...does that lack of knowledge mean this is a mom and pop shop and that they are winging it? That is actually something I have seen in production facilities. If you don't produce by scientific methodology but mess with your product until it is in spec of your testing parameters, that is art NOT SCIENCE and at some point you will mess up.

OK Sorry I went on and on, I am passionate about this topic since it is what I do for a living.
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No. Sorry you're giving the benefit of the doubt.

As I read through their response, I kept thinking "Don't trust me" "Don't trust me" "Don't trust me". Your end assumptions is that there's no reason to assume their product is bad or unsafe. My end assumption is that anybody can bottle sewage (if it's cheaper than Flint Michigan tap water), but those who spend a bunch of money marketing to desperate people with metabolic syndrome--and then send sleazy detailed proof-denial letters--are particularly NOT TO BE TRUSTED AT ALL.

Thanks for posting their reply and parsing it vis a vis your professional knowledge.
 
alphaskunk65 said:
What is your take on premium lab grade bac water with 9% benzoyl alcohol
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Quick search and I think you mean Lambda BAC. The CoA says it is within spec for pH and BA which is all fine and good. It also says that Lamba is owned by PeptideCrafters. I am under the impression that that testing says that for 28 days it would be ok I guess. But the concern most people have is sterility and endotoxins, which to be honest should be tested according to USP standards. I don't see those test results anywhere. The BA only inhibits growth. So we are all really playing in the grey. If I had to pick between Lamba and Parrox, I would gamble Parrox. They at least mention USP, GMP, Sterility. Lamba says research use only.

I have to make sure that I am clear just because I don't want to come off as an authority here, I am a SME for Quality and Compliance of FDA regulated products manufacturered in an industrial environment such as Food and Personal Care (inclusive of OTC items). Not Pharmaceuticals. So I am arm chair QB-ing and giving my opinion since I have managed a Biolab as part of my responsibilities in work environments. If my opinion helps mitigate risk, that is great. But I am going by the limited information I can find from these BAC manufacturers.
 
indolent said:
No. Sorry you're giving the benefit of the doubt.

As I read through their response, I kept thinking "Don't trust me" "Don't trust me" "Don't trust me". Your end assumptions is that there's no reason to assume their product is bad or unsafe. My end assumption is that anybody can bottle sewage (if it's cheaper than Flint Michigan tap water), but those who spend a bunch of money marketing to desperate people with metabolic syndrome--and then send sleazy detailed proof-denial letters--are particularly NOT TO BE TRUSTED AT ALL.

Thanks for posting their reply and parsing it vis a vis your professional knowledge.
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Thank you. I agree and would prefer to not gamble without more knowledge. Just trying to stay neutral-ish since we are playing in the grey. But I don't like the amount of risk with the Parrox response.

Side note, why does it always feel like the FDA is against the people. If we were a bunch of heroine addicts, there would be clinics where they would be giving it out for free! So frustrating.
 
BlatantlyObviousXL said:
Quick search and I think you mean Lambda BAC. The CoA says it is within spec for pH and BA which is all fine and good. It also says that Lamba is owned by PeptideCrafters. I am under the impression that that testing says that for 28 days it would be ok I guess. But the concern most people have is sterility and endotoxins, which to be honest should be tested according to USP standards. I don't see those test results anywhere. The BA only inhibits growth. So we are all really playing in the grey. If I had to pick between Lamba and Parrox, I would gamble Parrox. They at least mention USP, GMP, Sterility. Lamba says research use only.

I have to make sure that I am clear just because I don't want to come off as an authority here, I am a SME for Quality and Compliance of FDA regulated products manufacturered in an industrial environment such as Food and Personal Care (inclusive of OTC items). Not Pharmaceuticals. So I am arm chair QB-ing and giving my opinion since I have managed a Biolab as part of my responsibilities in work environments. If my opinion helps mitigate risk, that is great. But I am going by the limited information I can find from these BAC manufacturers.
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Thanks for taking the time and your input.
 
BlatantlyObviousXL said:
Quick search and I think you mean Lambda BAC. The CoA says it is within spec for pH and BA which is all fine and good. It also says that Lamba is owned by PeptideCrafters. I am under the impression that that testing says that for 28 days it would be ok I guess. But the concern most people have is sterility and endotoxins, which to be honest should be tested according to USP standards. I don't see those test results anywhere. The BA only inhibits growth. So we are all really playing in the grey. If I had to pick between Lamba and Parrox, I would gamble Parrox. They at least mention USP, GMP, Sterility. Lamba says research use only.

I have to make sure that I am clear just because I don't want to come off as an authority here, I am a SME for Quality and Compliance of FDA regulated products manufacturered in an industrial environment such as Food and Personal Care (inclusive of OTC items). Not Pharmaceuticals. So I am arm chair QB-ing and giving my opinion since I have managed a Biolab as part of my responsibilities in work environments. If my opinion helps mitigate risk, that is great. But I am going by the limited information I can find from these BAC manufacturers.
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Thank you for the shared knowledge and your honest response.
 
BlatantlyObviousXL said:
OK got a response from Parrox:
"Thank you for reaching out to us and for your interest in learning more about our manufacturing standards and quality processes.

We understand the importance of verifying the quality and compliance of the products you purchase. We would like to assure you that all of our products are manufactured in GMP-certified facilities and are produced under strict quality control and safety standards to ensure consistency, purity, and product integrity.

However, due to confidentiality agreements and the need to protect our proprietary business operations, we are unable to disclose specific details regarding our manufacturing partners, the certifying organizations, facility certificates, testing procedures, patenting processes, or any third-party companies involved. This includes documentation related to our manufacturing facilities and their certifications.

While we strive to be as transparent as possible, we must also safeguard our proprietary business information, manufacturing relationships, and internal quality assurance processes. These measures help us maintain the integrity, security, and consistency of our products.

As long as products are purchased directly from us, you can feel confident that they are manufactured according to regulated quality standards and undergo stringent quality control measures.

We appreciate your understanding. If you have any additional questions regarding our products or their intended use, please feel free to reach out—we would be happy to assist further."

I am a SME in Non Pharma FDA Regulated Compliance and Production. So Food and Personal Care products including OTC. I have been doing this for my entire career >20Years. This is the most sketch answer I have ever seen. I am not sure I trust Parrox at this point. This is not a sufficient answer. I can understand confidentiality agreements, but they could have responded production site(s) are cGMP certified by an accredited body, or SOMETHING other than "Trust Us". Also could have commented that the production facility produces to USP standards based on X, also the facility is ISO certified say 9001 and or well as 22716 (cosmetics) or anything more than "Trust Me"

I want to be clear what I am saying here. I am not saying the Parrox BAC Water is bad, unsafe or anything of the sort, I am however saying their inability to assuage concerns outside of we use Light Labs and we are GMP makes me uncomfortable. It just shows a lack of knowledge in customer support...does that lack of knowledge mean this is a mom and pop shop and that they are winging it? That is actually something I have seen in production facilities. If you don't produce by scientific methodology but mess with your product until it is in spec of your testing parameters, that is art NOT SCIENCE and at some point you will mess up.

OK Sorry I went on and on, I am passionate about this topic since it is what I do for a living.
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Yeah, they lost my vote. I will stick to Lambda and Hospira.
 
MikeyMike said:
Has anyone used Parrox Bac Water? I've seen a few Facebook ads for it lately, very reasonably priced. Would be nice to have an alternative to Hospira with prices through the roof.
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Wondering the same. Its shoved down my throat on fb daily. Thought they advertised the lab said .89 ba and ph 5.8 unless it was another vendor as im flooded with advertisements.
 
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Airborne Daddy said:
Wondering the same. Its shoved down my throat on fb daily. Thought they advertised the lab said .89 ba and ph 5.8 unless it was another vendor as im flooded with advertisements.
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So much this. I went to parrox for more info and now constantly spammed and sick of it. I dont want to but thier shit at this point.
 
MikeyMike said:
Has anyone used Parrox Bac Water? I've seen a few Facebook ads for it lately, very reasonably priced. Would be nice to have an alternative to Hospira with prices through the roof.
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PeptideCrafters sent a large number of various brands out for testing. Attached is the COA they published for Parrox.
 

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BlatantlyObviousXL said:
The CoA says it is within spec for pH and BA which is all fine and good. It also says that Lamba is owned by PeptideCrafters.
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Peptide Crafters has been testing various brands of water and publishing the results as part of a few "studies" they've conducted.
I don't think PeptideCrafters actually owns Lambda. Lambda is just using the PeptideCrafters result for their own benefit.
 
I ordered it a few days but ended up emailing them and cancelling it after reading the PH results of independent tests here and on Telegrams.
 
PepPimp said:
I use Lambda. It is proven to be just as good as Hospira and is a bit cheaper.
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Well if you like endotoxions it's just as good. 😆
There an article on "crazy lady's " blog with data taken from PTSD. Hospira also had a bad test, but it was explained as a calibration issue and the same one passed a retest. Most people won't read that tidbit.
Hospira or Ocean are the only 2 tested as safe.

I question Nexus Aminos BAC after my GTB developed an clear slug of goo in the vial.
 
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