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Notice what I said "widespread", I could TOTALLY believe that a single instance due to someone doing something stupid in shipping/supply chain. Occam's dictates the simplest explanation is USUALLY the correct one. The explanation of rich greedy pricks convince government with money to do...

So let me understand the thought premise here. They would intentionally put a higher price selling material into a strong customer base that has a tendency to test product a LOT, to... hurt them, which would then blow up their business almost instantly where they are making money hand over...

I think we can sum everything up like this: - Trying to shut down something that people generally do not view as a bad thing has NEVER worked, WILL never work, and will ALWAYS be worked around. - The ONLY way to reduce black markets of generally socially acceptable things is to make ease of...

It's a good thing that the goal of manufacturing/shipping this stuff is to keep it in a liquid form in a vacuum vial then. I've used XRF's, SEM's, and a few other chemical detection equipment, you have a better chance of catching "weed adjacent" on a package rather than the stuff we are using...

In all reality, what I would expect to happen is what has already been happening: - Prices maintain or raise very slightly due to constraints listed above. - Shipping from US warehouses becomes the predominant form of purchasing (as the seizure loss is already accounted for in the cost)...

The main reason this price increase would happen would be built in price conditioning with the expectation that half of all shipments are seized. I sincerely doubt that any customs enforcement is anywhere near that effective. MAYBE 20%, as randomized testing is not that effective if you don't...

Organizational testing will continue to be done, as it's not illegal at all. What you are describing is temporary in nature. And to really drive the point home of cost, let's say tirz doubles in price to about $1 per mg, and you have to test each kit. For a 300mg kit (30mg X 10), you have 270...

The other point here is, patent exclusivity expires, but the efficacy of these treatments doesn't get worse over time, so the "black market" for most of these GLP-1's only has to exist for like another 5 years, as at that point generics can be trucked in from other countries, and the big pharma...

Let's take a step back here, how easy is it to procure drugs in many countries? Not like the ones we get, I'm talking DRUGS (cocaine/weed/prescription/fentanyl). There has and ALWAYS will be an underground of traffickers and systems for people willing to put forth the effort, as there is...

I appreciate that, I think many people just assume that statistics and probabilities are some kind of nebulous concept that rarely provoke a direct answer, but if you take those concepts and apply real life numbers, the math can give you an EXACT yes/no answer. There is still some...

I didn't care about your beliefs in things, and I'm going to assume you are misinformed. If you disagree with the source below, then you are directly misleading, which I hold to the same level as trying to do harm unto others: CDC - Do Masks Prevent Respiratory Viruses Vitamin C can provide an...

Woah I bet you really wow the kids at parties. I’m a statistics and science guy who has worked in semiconductor production and bio-pharma production, what have you done? Let’s break what you said down and what you are implying by linking this study: - Contamination implies “you are going to...

I used Peptide Test to test both of my sets, but the second time was not of my choosing. I haven't been in the community for like a month, but there was some sus happening a little earlier in the year with PepTest's numbers on Tirz. Not sure if that is cleared up or not yet. Regardless, if...

Filtering is essentially an insurance policy, is it most likely wasted money? Probably, is it possible that it can save your ass from potentially getting sick? Sure. What are the odds it saves you, probably below 1%. My favorite concepts in math are cost/benefit analysis of insurance design...

If you are buying 1 kit at a time (I know that many people can't afford more than one at a time), then you REALLY should be looking at either getting from a high quality source that has peer tests already done/in process because if you can only afford one kit, you most likely can't afford...

hmmm, person who resurrects an over 2 week old thread to attack what I said as their first message after joining a day ago... the jilted lover returneth...

I REALLY hate to be this guy, but does anyone else read this and think "English might not be this person's first language" and "this person is REALLY talking up a no-name vendor?". Seems these things might not be a coincidence. Is this the vendor impersonating a customer? Honestly with this...

You missed the sarcasm there. I'm well aware that America is NOT a normal 1st world country in regards to healthcare. I was merely stating that most 1st world countries pay around $50-60 for brand name, and we can't even get compounding for 5-6X the price (let's not even bother comparing brand...

If you buy in large quantities the cost vs. compounding are ridiculously less expensive... After buying a decently large order from Amo around August of last year (I bought 4 kits of 60mg @ ~515/kit), when you add in testing/supplies I'm at around 1/5th the cost of compounding (or in other...

GYC's discord is locked for invites Amo (I think) is about to post a new website soon (they are only serving existing customers right now through email). PGB is a website I'm not sure we are supposed to post here, but you would need crypto to make a purchase through there. If we are allowed...

For what it's worth, I've been pretty impressed with GYC on their discord (I was the volunteer for the R30 Xmas GB that came in very good fill and purity-wise). The T30 they had a volunteer for came in at 97.7% for purity (good for fill), and they are even sending a further set of tests (3...

People who do not do some kind of testing have created a value proposition on their means and the value of their health vs. that risk to think that is an OK tradeoff. If you have $100 of disposable income per month, and you've been saving up for half a year to get 2-3 years of GLP's, then...

My guess is they are most definitely just a reshipper based on this whole thing, and I have FULL expectation that easy money is generally lazy until you are burnt. The question is how badly are they burnt for the future (my guess is pretty bad at this point). But as we can see this didn't ONLY...

It's so obvious that the Tesla Optimus robots are doing a REGEX replacement of all the peptides names of anything before the "-" in the name with a blank across the market. (This is programming humor) That's why Elon Musk was tweeting about getting GLP-1's to everyone, he's planning to run the...

I honestly hope we can eventually get one more qualified testing company as a “qualified” vendor to some of the peptide vendors. Monopolies and duopolies aren’t exactly the best for customer choice, and vendor guarantees drive which companies get business unfortunately. PT has made some strides...

yea hopefully the people who purchased these kits will get replacement + some kind of compensation thing, at least a store credit or something. I assume they might be waiting a month or 2 for replacement. Also bought the R30 from the Christmas sale, this is just a good reminder to test and...

I mean, this is literally the BEST case scenario for GB in a way for 3rd party testing, vendor pays for testing, vendor fails testing, all customers are immediately refunded. This wasn't hidden or covered up, and is directly on GYC's own discord for everyone to see. OBVIOUSLY the "bestest"...

sorry I’m adding on to this again, if a product still has an acceptance rate of 70-80% that could be over the lifetime of the product, which may factor in slow degradation over the expected lifetime of viability. So what that could also mean in this situation, if the final product starts at...

Acceptance rate sure, but what a process aims for vs. what it achieves from a desired result are very different, like a customer spec vs a product spec: Customer specs are USUALLY a bit tighter than product specs, mainly because the use case is better known (not sure if this is the same for...

Personally? I have a family member who works in big pharma (think like senior management/director scientist, and was a scientist themself earlier) who I talked with my journey on grey peptides and tried to align my acceptance criteria to industry acceptance standards on normal peptide...

We never truly leave high school do we?

I think that's fair to be sensitive about this situation, but speaking at it from a law perspective, them saying "because X has your email, you are doing grey market peptides" is a HELL of a jump, he sells medical stuff that can be used outside of peptide "research", so you would have a TON of...

Feel like I should for some reason speak on this thread, as I organized a large group test and worked with Peptide Test pretty extensively like 3-4 months ago. My experience with him was he was willing to work in many ways to get exactly what we wanted and handled a lot of BS for relatively...

Requesting the tag of "Chaos Creator", or maybe "Migraine Inducer", how about "This F^$#ing Guy..." you won't do it Zippity....

I would say that +/- 5% of fill is not really an underfill for the representative sample, and care MUCH more about the purity of the product (which I think the lowest was like 98.9%, and it was 1 vial maybe out of 22 or something, most were in the 99.5% range. I have been using my AmoPure stash...

Let me be very clear, the stinging while it would be nice to point to a specific thing and say "THIS IS IT", I doubt even Amopure would have a direct answer. I think there was something different between L30 vials and L60 vials, and it's definitely possible that the L30 vials were more prone...

Hey there, I'm not sure heroic is the word I would use, maybe lucky it worked out. Peptide-Test had a lab tech note that the amopure for L30 was a different consistency, and it was more "annoying" to work with, keep in mind you need to read this on the inverse, sorry it's how discord search...

So you are saying you can't receive skincare peptides in the mail in a nursing home? My plans are RUINED!

That is nutty, I will take my comment back and proceed to only be upset at the waste of money here.

I'm curious here, many months ago when I was looking CanTydes they had a different website and I think their prices were a bit cheaper, I'm literally not spreading rumours or anything, but I distinctly remember looking at the prices and thinking "hmm that's not bad" for T60 kits, but now those...

Agreed the website plays a decent part, but word of mouth is the absolute BEST marketing in the world, and if one of these vendors that do group buys started making these small changes to their kits for "traceability", then you would see a step change in sales most likely vs. their competitors...

I actually really enjoy this from a perspective of convenience, but this really highlights from a manufacturing perspective how much packaging influences quality perception. Just think if vendors realized they could charge like 1.3-1.5X for a few color label printers and COA's with a simple QR...

Great job all! Glad to see there is more group test pushes beyond the first, and it looks like it went smoothly! Gives me some confidence if I ever order from ASC for sure

Uhhh, Maybe... we should allow this to happen? Should we, allow more access? Seems like the problem eventually "works" it's way out of the system.

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technically 29 vials by my count, not sure if you saw we had seperate tests on 30mg and 60mg

yea we talked about it in discord, I expected +/- 10% overall, and we got a tighter dosage than that, so I'm pretty happy (I'll note that the first 3 vials in 60mg were mine, so I got under, YOU MONSTER AMO!). I'm sure it's just luck of the draw, and here are the averages/std dev. Absolutely...

Hey all! It was a long road, but we finally have results we can share with you all. I think this is the largest group sample test ever (someone fact check me if I'm wrong), but I think it was a great effort by all and I'm really happy to share these with everyone. FYI, I can't upload the...

I’m gonna just say that I never trust vendor provided COA’s as they can be cherry picked easily. “Customer traceability” with grey market is a joke at best, and straight up deceptive at worst. There is nothing that denotes a batch that I really believe other than an estimation of order date...