(Alice) TFC’s Lipo-C tested as DYED WATER

I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
 
clayd said:
I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
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My SRY delivery is expected to happen today, according to the post office. Amo, with characteristic responsiveness, responded to my Whatsapp message yesterday within a few hours, telling me that returning customers can Whatsapp or email them, however, orders won't ship until after February 13. Amo said they will have a new website, although they wouldn't tell me its name yet.
 
that's cold blooded damn. Surprised people didn't get sick from that.
 
clayd said:
I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
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Typically, vendors aren't lowering prices if something is about to buckle under demand pressure. Remember how cheap things got? My prediction is still that there are only about two companies making all of it in China and one of them probably lost favor with the CCP and is in a Chinese prison until they can pay their way out of it. The bitcoin wallet people were tracking with a half billion dollars in it is probably a family member of Xi Jinping
 
clevesand said:
Typically, vendors aren't lowering prices if something is about to buckle under demand pressure. Remember how cheap things got? My prediction is still that there are only about two companies making all of it in China and one of them probably lost favor with the CCP and is in a Chinese prison until they can pay their way out of it. The bitcoin wallet people were tracking with a half billion dollars in it is probably a family member of Xi Jinping
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yeah fair point on the prices. but was that mostly just mostly the resellers' profit margin getting competed away while the actual manufacturers were running at full capacity, and thus started supplying subpar product - or worse, fake product?

usually falling prices don't indicate too much demand but i wonder if both could be true - somehow falling prices reflecting greater competition in one part of the supply chain while the other parts are totally overwhelmed? just a thought. maybe a reach.
 
keangkong said:
I highly doubt this. The Chinese economy is highly resilient and quick to adapt. China with a population of 1.4 billion people can handle the added demand.
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well are we talking 1.4 billion people or are we talking 2 factories that produce raws.
i'm just saying i think it's temporarily broken. it will get fixed. but in the rush of the last 6 months, some things came out bad, some bad product, some bad shipping, bad operations/backoffice, some degradation, some dyed water, some unscrupulous freight forwarders...it will all shake out
 
clayd said:
well are we talking 1.4 billion people or are we talking 2 factories that produce raws.
i'm just saying i think it's temporarily broken. it will get fixed. but in the rush of the last 6 months, some things came out bad, some bad product, some bad shipping, bad operations/backoffice, some degradation, some dyed water, some unscrupulous freight forwarders...it will all shake out
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It would not surprise me if things are tough for a few months.
 
I have 2 fresh kits of Lipo-C from @Alice TFC here. I wrote here in Discord about it. Lets see how she will solve this, because selling dyed water is a planned scam. If its underdosed then we van talk about a mistake but not in this case
 
keangkong said:
With Chinese New Year celebrations going on, I don't expect a quick response.
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She is active in discord. Will keep you updated.

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ewb needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
 
I've only tried a Lipo-C-type mix from an EU research vendor and it has quite an immediate effect - flushing, increased heart rate, even slight tremors - that is not very pleasant but goes away after a little while. I imagine it would be very (not) noticeable if it was just food dye and did absolutely nothing?

Does anyone know of independent tests done on other TFC products, especially non GLP peptides?
 
beefsteak said:
ewb needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
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QSC might not be the best alternative. I doubt that I'm getting the reta I paid for in crypto about two weeks before Tracy disappeared.
 
beefsteak said:
ewb needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
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Lipo being a blend…is there anyone that can verify it’s legit besides a US pharmacy?
 
stickfigure said:
Which test? Jano offers a wide range of tests
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dont have any more info than when qsc launched theirs, they mentioned on either telegram or in the vendor section here that jano couldnt test for anything besides the b12 in it.

i assume the interpretation is that they arent paying the testing costs necessary for it because its too expensive vs. the regular testing theyre getting, not really that its impossible
 
Right. QSC just paid quite a lot of money for testing of their 'premium' AAS products before being forced to shut down. Great test results, but no one can buy the products
 
Sheldor said:
I have 2 fresh kits of Lipo-C from @Alice TFC here. I wrote here in Discord about it. Lets see how she will solve this, because selling dyed water is a planned scam. If its underdosed then we van talk about a mistake but not in this case
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Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.

I have some vials I got months ago from Raven’s server that were sourced from Nexaph, perfect. They were w/o b vitamins, I added my own from kits4less.

About a month or so ago I bought a couple of vials from a different person and as soon as I picked up the cherry-red vial I knew it was fake. Drew some out, no smell, super thin, and the red stained my hands.
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.

I have some vials I got months ago from Raven’s server that were sourced from Nexaph, perfect. They were w/o b vitamins, I added my own from kits4less.

About a month or so ago I bought a couple of vials from a different person and as soon as I picked up the cherry-red vial I knew it was fake. Drew some out, no smell, super thin, and the red stained my hands.
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That smell makes me nauseous every time I open my case. I have to put my Carved and Pegasus in a ziploc baggie because it smells so bad..
 
yelloeyes said:
That smell makes me nauseous every time I open my case. I have to put my Carved and Pegasus in a ziploc baggie because it smells so bad..
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I’ve actually gotten used to it, but yea at first I thought I’d gotten a bad batch. I think someone said it’s the L-carnitine? Idk, but shortly after I pin I can taste it
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.
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Yes, even injected 2 shots.
It smells like nothing, and its same liquid / same viscous like water.
I feel also after injection nothing nor I feel diffrent
 
fetefille said:
I’ve actually gotten used to it, but yea at first I thought I’d gotten a bad batch. I think someone said it’s the L-carnitine? Idk, but shortly after I pin I can taste it
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My suspicions regarding taste fall on arginine since I noticed it both from Lipo and another amino that contains arginine. Meanwhile did not notice any taste from just carnitine or yet another amino with carnitine but not arginine. Alas, our palates may be different.

I also have not noticed any particular smell to the Lipo, nor that it was noticeably more viscous than other mixes or peptides, except for l-carnitine by itself which is quite thick and takes a bit of patience to draw up through a 29g needle. Having said all that I am talking about pricey EU mixes (Lipo formulation is slightly different) and I haven't yet purchased any from the beloved grey subjects of this forum.

Sheldor said:
Yes, even injected 2 shots.
It smells like nothing, and its same liquid / same viscous like water.
I feel also after injection nothing nor I feel diffrent
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Right, the Lipo I'm used to has an immediate effect that I don't find very pleasant, definitely noticeable. I'm not a big fan of Lipo to be honest after 3 or 4 vials and will stick to a different mix.

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Received an order from TFC today although it's just a single peptide that I have not tried before and I doubt will have any acute effect. And for now I am at a stage of trusting annecdotal feedback instead of splashing out for testing myself. Went with TFC last second as the peptide was out of stock elsewhere, and feedback seemed positive enough. Arrived quickly and packaged professionally.
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.
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🤣 So true! I dropped a vial and it shattered. I was worried about the smell never leaving my kitchen. Glutathione stinks too, but it’s a sulfur odor.
 
fetefille said:
Krysia sent a vial into Jano and it came back as nothing but colored water. See the Swiss server for more info, or probably anywhere else she posts.

And maybe don’t buy from Alice. 😬
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I bought some water with red dye number 3 (which has been banned from the US) from Alice and it tested as lipo-C. There was no detectable amount of red dye number 3 in it.
 
keangkong said:
I bought some water with red dye number 3 (which has been banned from the US) from Alice and it tested as lipo-C. There was no detectable amount of red dye number 3 in it.
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I don't recall anyone saying what number red dye it was
 
keangkong said:
I bought some water with red dye number 3 (which has been banned from the US) from Alice and it tested as lipo-C. There was no detectable amount of red dye number 3 in it.
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Can you share your test report?
 
keangkong said:
I bought some water with red dye number 3 (which has been banned from the US) from Alice and it tested as lipo-C. There was no detectable amount of red dye number 3 in it.
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I do find it funny we're banning red dye #3 which has basically zero reproducible scientific evidence of being problematic while still doing nothing about all the shit actually killing us.
 
Sheldor said:
here is @Alice TFC "statement".
I am not happy with it, just says @janoshik did bad test work.
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It seems that if she is going to attack Janoshik's work, she needs to attach an analysis from some other expert from the same field.

Some of what she wrote simply doesn't make sense.

For instance, she wrote:
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Yet Jano's report shows:

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At this point, I don't understand why anyone aware of what happened would buy from them.
 
Here is the text from the statement they made, so you don’t have to download it in .docx.pdf format (WTF was that)



Regarding Lipo-C:
Hello everyone, thank you for your continued patience, and we sincerely appreciate the time
you've given us to enjoy a pleasant holiday.
We have some questions regarding the Lipo-C test report we received, and we’d like to
understand certain aspects better. We are not trying to avoid addressing any issues, and we take
full responsibility for our product.
Here are our concerns regarding Lipo-C:
1. Concerns About the Dye Solution
As we stated in our published formula, our Lipo-C contains vitamin B12.
Here’s what we understand about vitamin B12:
The color of vitamin B12 (also known as cobalamin) depends on its specific form and
concentration. The common color characteristics of vitamin B12 are as follows:
1.Pure Vitamin B12 Crystals:
 Dark red or maroon: Vitamin B12 crystals are typically dark red or maroon due to the cobalt
ion (Co³⁺) in its molecular structure, which forms specific coordination complexes with
surrounding ligands, resulting in a red color.
2.Vitamin B12 Solution Color:
 Pink to red: When dissolved in water or other solvents, vitamin B12 solutions usually appear
pink to red, with the exact shade depending on the concentration.
 Low concentration: Light pink.
 High concentration: Dark red.
3.Different Forms of Vitamin B12:
 Cyanocobalamin: The most common synthetic form, which is typically dark red crystals or a
pink to red solution.
 Methylcobalamin: A bioactive form, similar in color to cyanocobalamin, typically red.
 Hydroxocobalamin: Another common form, usually deep red.
4.Vitamin B12 in Foods or Supplements:
 In food or supplements, vitamin B12’s color may be diluted or masked by other ingredients,
for example:
 Tablets or capsules: May appear with pink or red specks.
 Injections: Typically a red or pink solution.
5.Color Changes and Their Significance:
 If the color of vitamin B12 changes (e.g., fades or darkens), it may indicate instability, such as
degradation due to exposure to light, oxidation, or high temperatures.
Summary: The typical color of vitamin B12 is deep red or pink, resulting from the cobalt ion
in its structure. In solutions or products, the color intensity depends on the concentration and
form. If the color is abnormal (e.g., colorless or darkened), it may indicate potential stability or
purity issues.
To make Lipo-C closer to the deep red color, we’ve added plant extracts, which are harmless to
the body. Does this result in the conclusion of a dye solution?
2. The Test Report Concludes "Lipo-C is Just Dye
Solution"
After receiving the test report, we researched several Lipo-C Janoshik test reports and will attach
our findings. We also referenced a website with data on the main ingredients of Lipo-C and its
testing reports; if this causes any inconvenience, please contact us, and we will remove it.

Lipo-C + 20 ML – Optima Supply

optimasupply.net optimasupply.net
This website only tests for heavy metals, endotoxins, and sterility in Lipo-C. The product's
ingredients overlap significantly with our formula, so we believe it may be of some reference
value.
The product contains: 200 mg L-Carnitine, 20 mg Arginine, 25 mg Methionine, 50 mg Inositol, 50
mg Choline, 25 mg Vitamin B5 Pantothenate, 25 mg Vitamin B6, and 400 mcg Vitamin B12
Methylcobalamin.
Not a single report directly concluded that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik’s test reports don’t make a direct statement like “Lipo-C” or “dye solution.
” Instead, they
provide quantitative and qualitative data based on scientific analysis. Whether it's “Lipo-C” or
“dye solution” must be further evaluated based on test results.
Janoshik Test Report Includes:
1. Ingredient Analysis: The report lists the ingredients detected and their
concentrations.
 Our published Lipo-C ingredients are:
 L-Carnitine 20mg, Arginine 20mg, Methionine 25mg, Inositol 50mg, Choline 50mg, B6
(Pyridoxine) 25mg, B5 (Dexpanthenol) 25mg, B12 (Methylcobalamin) 1mg, 2% Benzyl
Alcohol, 2% Lidocaine.
Lipo-C formulas on the market are not identical, and we believe it’s unscientific to directly
conclude that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik Can Test Most of the Ingredients in the Formula:
 L-Carnitine (20mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
 Arginine (20mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
 Methionine (25mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
 Inositol (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
 Choline (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
 Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
 Vitamin B5 (Dexpanthenol, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
 Vitamin B12 (Methylcobalamin, 1mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
 Benzyl Alcohol (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
 Lidocaine (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Summary: Janoshik’s test reports provide quantitative and qualitative data on ingredients,
and whether it is “Lipo-C” or “dye solution” should be further analyzed based on the test results.
The report itself doesn’t conclude, but the data can help assess the product's authenticity.
3. The Test Report Lacked Ingredient Testing and
Directly Concluded the Solution Was “Just Dye”
We need to verify whether the report included testing methods, results, and other key
information:
1.Comprehensive Testing Items: Did the report test the key ingredients of Lipo-C?
2.Testing Methods: Were the testing methods (like HPLC, GCMS) suitable for the
ingredients in Lipo-C?
 The test report we received did not show any data, only the conclusion of “dye solution.
”
3.Sample Source:
 Was the sample tampered with or replaced? Could contamination have occurred?
 Was sample handling conducted properly to avoid bias in the test results?
4.Scientific Validity of the Conclusion:
 Was the conclusion data-driven? Janoshik reports typically provide testing data, not direct
conclusions like "dye solution.
" The report we received didn’t provide any ingredient
conclusions, such as whether L-Carnitine, Arginine, Methionine, or B12 was detected.
4. Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Non-AAS
Samples
In Janoshik’s reports, qualitative and quantitative analysis of non-AAS samples refers to
identifying and measuring the components of non-atomic absorption spectrometry (AAS)
samples. Here’s a detailed explanation:
1.Qualitative Analysis: Identifying whether specific components (like Vitamin C,
liposomes, etc.) are present in the sample and confirming their chemical structure.
 Methods: Chromatography (e.g., HPLC, GC), Mass Spectrometry (LCMS, GCMS), and
Spectroscopy (IR, NMR).
 Applications: Confirming the presence of target components and detecting impurities or
contaminants.
2.Quantitative Analysis: Measuring the specific concentration of components in the
sample.
 Purpose: To determine the concentration or percentage of target components to ensure
they match the label or standard.
 Methods: Chromatography (HPLC, GC), Titration, and Spectroscopy (UV-Vis).
 Applications: Verifying if the active ingredient concentrations meet the stated amounts and
ensuring impurities are within safe limits.
3.Non-AAS Samples: AAS (Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy) is mainly used for detecting
metal elements like calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. Non-AAS samples are usually organic
compounds (like vitamins, amino acids, liposomes).
 Analysis Methods: For non-AAS samples, Janoshik uses Chromatography, Mass Spectrometry,
or Spectroscopy for qualitative and quantitative analysis.
4.In Janoshik’s Reports:
 Qualitative Analysis Results: Lists the detected components and confirms their chemical
structure.
 Quantitative Analysis Results: Provides the concentration of each ingredient (e.g., mg/g, %),
and compares it to standard or label values.
Test Results: Results should clearly show the values for each test, especially for the purity
and concentration of active ingredients. If it’s a Lipo-C product, it should measure and provide
specific data on its fat-dissolving effects. These data points were not reflected in the test report
we received.
Purity and ingredient levels should be clearly listed, and not just vague results like “dye solution.
”
The concerns I’ve raised are not to evade responsibility, but rather because many people have
recently been attacking suppliers. More and more people are starting to influence public opinion,
and I believe this is not a healthy trend. I feel compelled to express my doubts.
During my work, I always provide the best service to each of my clients, and I am more than
willing to resolve any issues they bring to me.
My original intention of providing high-quality products and services to clients will never change.
Thank you all for your continued understanding and support.
 
keangkong said:
It seems that if she is going to attack Janoshik's work, she needs to attach an analysis from some other expert from the same field.

Some of what she wrote simply doesn't make sense.

For instance, she wrote: View attachment 5440

Yet Jano's report shows:

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At this point, I don't understand why anyone aware of what happened would buy from them.
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he made a direct statement answering my mail
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penewbie said:
I can accept a lot of shit from vendors. Including zero pep, zero lip, zero bac.

But I CANNOT ACCEPT a dude vendor!
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Hey, there's women here too. I'll buy from a guy if he's a stud with washboard abs.

I'm 100% hoping I can get another vendor to change their picture by making jokes. 😂
 
chmuse said:
Hey, there's women here too. I'll buy from a guy if he's a stud with washboard abs.

I'm 100% hoping I can get another vendor to change their picture by making jokes. 😂
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You better believe that if I was a grey vendor in China selling to the US, my profile photo would look far better than the real me. Would I use a photo of a man or a woman? I use a photo of whatever would get me the most sales.
 
chmuse said:
Hey, there's women here too. I'll buy from a guy if he's a stud with washboard abs.

I'm 100% hoping I can get another vendor to change their picture by making jokes. 😂
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A lot of the AAS UGLs on other sites have people with well defined abs in their avatars and sell peptides too.

Granted, closer to Skye prices than QSC, but, if all you want is some abs to look at while putting in your order...
 
keangkong said:
You better believe that if I was a grey vendor in China selling to the US, my profile photo would look far better than the real me. Would I use a photo of a man or a woman? I use a photo of whatever would get me the most sales.
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I think there's an untapped market of people wanting to buy from great apes. The world is your oyster
 
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