BAC water in central Europe

[Sethe]

I'm trying to get good bac water. Everyone says Hospira, but I don't think any sites ship to Poland, at least from what I found?

I'd also rather not spend a fortune on it obv, so are there any sites that ship Hospira to central Europe, or are there any decently good alternatives to Hospira here?

 

[Fostradamus]

I'm trying to get good bac water. Everyone says Hospira, but I don't think any sites ship to Poland, at least from what I found?

I'd also rather not spend a fortune on it obv, so are there any sites that ship Hospira to central Europe, or are there any decently good alternatives to Hospira here?

Can you get Water For Injection (WFI) in Poland? This can be used instead of bac water and is good for up to 28 days. Others on here add benzyl alcohol to WFI to make their own bac water. Getting Hospira in Europe is a bit of a nightmare it seems. I managed to get some in the UK, but I had to pay a premium for it. I'm hoping to pick up some WFI while I'm traveling around Europe next month because it's a prescription item in the UK.

 

[Waterheater]

I'm hoping to pick up some WFI while I'm traveling around Europe next month because it's a prescription item in the UK.

Where in Europe is this? For me personally I had to get bac from the same place I got my reta from. And it works fine.

 

[Sethe]

Can you get Water For Injection (WFI) in Poland? This can be used instead of bac water and is good for up to 28 days. Others on here add benzyl alcohol to WFI to make their own bac water. Getting Hospira in Europe is a bit of a nightmare it seems. I managed to get some in the UK, but I had to pay a premium for it. I'm hoping to pick up some WFI while I'm traveling around Europe next month because it's a prescription item in the UK.

Yeah, I can get both water for injections and bac water, just not Hospira, and people are saying that that one's the best, so that's why I was asking.

I guess not hospira/regular wfi is okay too then, thanks

 

[GeraltRedhammer]

They ship to Poland from:

Shop closed from May 8 – May 31

www.reinsupplies.shop

However, for peptides you intend to use within 21 days, ordinary saline solution is still perfectly adequate.

You can also purchase good-quality BAC water from Slavic Lab.

 

[Sethe]

They ship to Poland from:

Shop closed from May 8 – May 31

www.reinsupplies.shop

However, for peptides you intend to use within 21 days, ordinary saline solution is still perfectly adequate.

You can also purchase good-quality BAC water from Slavic Lab.

Thanks, I will probably buy the one from Slavic labs then, it does seem to be good

 

[Throwfa]

There are quite a bit of resources scattered around on the forum about home made BAC water. View some of my posts for a nudge in the right direction. I'm from Belgium and it fixes my BAC problem and it saves me a fair bit of money.

 

[DrPEPr]

Please don't reconstitute your peps with just sterile water or saline solution.
Those products may have a shelf-life of 28 days (after opening) ON THEIR OWN, but NOT when used for reconstitution and serve multiple drawings.

BAC prevents growth of bacteria and fungi. There's a reason for the alcohol to be in there.

Please be safe.

 

[DrPEPr]

Please don't reconstitute your peps with just sterile water or saline solution.
Those products may have a shelf-life of 28 days ON THEIR OWN, but NOT when used for reconstitution and serve multiple drawings.

BAC prevents growth of bacteria and fungi. There's a reason for the alcohol to be in there.

Please be safe.

 

[GeraltRedhammer]

I’m sorry, but scientific sources, researchers at Yanoshik, or artificial intelligence, suggest that saline solution is suitable for dissolving peptides and is itself bacteriostatic to some extent. I agree that preparations containing saline solution have a shorter shelf life, but depending on the source, this is estimated to be 20 days or more.

The trend for bacteriostatic water has only been around for a few years. Previously, saline solution was mainly used. Mind you, I’m not surprised, as the original Hospira has excellent specifications. Unfortunately, most of us don’t have access to the original Hospira, and other brands’ waters have a bacteriostatic level comparable to that of saline solution, and often suffer from the problem of excessively high or low pH – someone here has posted links to BAC water tests carried out by Yano.

There are also peptides which, due to their delicate nature, are best dissolved in acetic acid or saline solution. It is always worth checking this when using a particular peptide for the first time.

 

[Pin&Play]

My first experience with peptides was buying BPC157 from a clinic, here in thailand. The doctor who "prescribed" it to me gave me the vials, needles, and saline water. Each vial was supposed to last one week

I'm not saying it as a proof that Saline = BAC water, or even = Hospira, but I wouldn't be worried about doing it again

 

[DrPEPr]

My first experience with peptides was buying BPC157 from a clinic, here in thailand. The doctor who "prescribed" it to me gave me the vials, needles, and saline water. Each vial was supposed to last one week

I'm not saying it as a proof that Saline = BAC water, or even = Hospira, but I wouldn't be worried about doing it again

For a week you're probably fine (if you keep the vial in the fridge and practice good aseptic technique when using it). Bacteria need some time to grow and the magnitude of growth depends on the type of bacteria.
The point is, why risk it?
BAC is dirt cheap and can easily be made.

 

[Mounjamen]

The article describes the problem of fibril formation during the reconstitution of cagriclinide and warns against it. Who can give me relevant recommendations and information on where to purchase it?

 

[GeraltRedhammer]

For a week you're probably fine (if you keep the vial in the fridge and practice good aseptic technique when using it). Bacteria need some time to grow and the magnitude of growth depends on the type of bacteria.
The point is, why risk it?
BAC is dirt cheap and can easily be made.

The problem with non-pharmacy-grade BAC is that it is not worth buying. According to Yano’s tests, it may contain too little or no alcohol at all and has issues with its pH level. For this reason, we do not recommend purchasing BAC from Chinese suppliers, as it often degrades peptides, particularly the more sensitive ones such as Tesamorelin.

Only Hospira maintains a standard commensurate with its price, but it is not available everywhere.

 

[Mounjamen]

Hello GeraltRedhammer,
Hello, thank you for your post in the GLP-1 forum about Bac-Water and fibril formation. Please provide me with your website address where I can order your products to Germany. Thank you very much.

 

[GeraltRedhammer]

Cześć GeraltRedhammer,
Witam, dziękuję za post na forum GLP-1 dotyczący Bac-Water i tworzenia fibryli. Proszę o podanie adresu strony internetowej, z której mogę zamówić Państwa produkty do Niemiec. Dziękuję bardzo.

Cześć,

Nie jestem przedstawicielem handlowym. Kupiłem Hospirę za kryptowalutę, a oni wysłali ją do Polski, więc powinni móc wysłać ją również do Niemiec. Widziałem, że sporo osób poleca ten sklep. Kupowałem u nich tylko raz i wszystko było w porządku:

Shop closed from May 8 – May 31

www.reinsupplies.shop

A jeśli szukasz tańszej wody BAC, wielu moich znajomych kupuje ją tutaj, ale nie widziałem żadnych recenzji na jej temat na Yano: https://x-peptides.com/de/

 

[Fostradamus]

Please don't reconstitute your peps with just sterile water or saline solution.
Those products may have a shelf-life of 28 days ON THEIR OWN, but NOT when used for reconstitution and serve multiple drawings.

BAC prevents growth of bacteria and fungi. There's a reason for the alcohol to be in there.

Please be safe.

Peter Magic from Jano disagrees with you.

 

[DrPEPr]

Peter Magic from Jano disagrees with you.

And I disagree with him.

You'd probably be fine using non-sterile needles too... until you're not.
The question is. Why would you take such risk in the first place if can be prevented so easily?

 

[Fostradamus]

And I disagree with him.

You'd probably be fine using non-sterile needles too... until you're not.
The question is. Why would you take such risk in the first place if can be prevented so easily?

I think you're missing the point of the whole thread. Yes, Hospira is the gold standard for reconstituting peptides, but as the OP stated, it can be difficult to obtain in certain countries and was asking for alternatives. Vendor bac is notoriously bad, as is bac obtained from Amazon. If you can't get Hospira then medical grade sterile WFI is perfectly serviceable for reconstitution, and as long as you use sterile injection techniques will keep for up to 28 days in the fridge, as stated by Peter Magic, a chemist, and the founder of Janoshik, the gold standard for testing peptides. You can disagree with him on this by all means, but I'd say that he's fairly well qualified to make such statements.

 

[DrPEPr]

I think you're missing the point of the whole thread. Yes, Hospira is the gold standard for reconstituting peptides, but as the OP stated, it can be difficult to obtain in certain countries and was asking for alternatives. Vendor bac is notoriously bad, as is bac obtained from Amazon. If you can't get Hospira then medical grade sterile WFI is perfectly serviceable for reconstitution, and as long as you use sterile injection techniques will keep for up to 28 days in the fridge, as stated by Peter Magic, a chemist, and the founder of Janoshik, the gold standard for testing peptides. You can disagree with him on this by all means, but I'd say that he's fairly well qualified to make such statements.

Let's agree to disagree then.

Like I said. WFI on it's own is perfectly fine. But the vendors peptide vials may not be sterile (you don't need to look far to find examples for that) and so regular WFI will not prevent existing bacteria from growing after reconstitution.
I'm only saying you should add some benzyl alcohol (easy to obtain) to your WFI, that's all.

 

[Throwfa]

Let's agree to disagree then.

Like I said. WFI on it's own is perfectly fine. But the vendors peptide vials may not be sterile (you don't need to look far to find examples for that) and so regular WFI will not prevent existing bacteria from growing after reconstitution.
I'm only saying you should add some benzyl alcohol (easy to obtain) to your WFI, that's all.

Agreed.

WFI is probably fine, but I will add some BA to my sterile water just in case.

Most of the actions while prepping and pinning is related to risk management. I'm making my own BAC water, ordering from grey vendors that regularly fuck us over, reconstituting with supplies I'm not 100% sure of that they are sterile.

You bet your ass I'll be using every precaution I can to mitigate risk.

 

[hoobz]

where do you guys buy sterile vials in EU for your own made BAC water (WFI + benzyl alcohol). I can find a source for legit WFI and benzyl alcohol, but when I did some searching for sterile vials, I found absolutely nothing that didn't look like cheap Chinese crap.

 

[cheesecake]

Honestly, I bought EO sterilized from China, as the process is readily available and safe. This is a risk I am willing to assume. But you could first fill with BA, empty it afterwards and then proceed to fill it with the reconstituted solution...

 

[Yokerr]

where do you guys buy sterile vials in EU for your own made BAC water (WFI + benzyl alcohol). I can find a source for legit WFI and benzyl alcohol, but when I did some searching for sterile vials, I found absolutely nothing that didn't look like cheap Chinese crap.

O thats a good question, didnt find anything reasonable either. I saw @DrPEPr posts eveyrwhere about homemade BAC and i'm consdiering to do it by myself already since hospira is so difficult to get. I'm most of the time in Belgium so with his advice it should be fine.

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[DrPEPr]

I use the sterile vials from 'Biomed solutions' on Amazon.
I've sent a couple of AAS samples in these vials to Jano and none came back with sterility issues.

The KS-Tec (Amazon and Ali Express) look awfully the same, so I asume they're good too.
If I need to do some Jano testing in the future I'll update my post here.

If it's only for making BAC, don't bother. If your WFI (water for injections) comes in a sterile bottle with butyl stopper, just use that.