keangkong
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Is the Dionysos spreadsheet no longer available? I couldn’t find it.
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MiniatureSnail
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Correct, it is no longer available. His signature now says "GLP1 Vendors China datasheet is not available."
Maybe if you DM him he will share. He seems a nice fellow.
You’re overthinking it. Sharing a resource simply isn’t very popular once it gains too much traction and can be mistaken for an official resource 🤷♂️
I guess it’s preferable to have new users scroll through 100 pages of people arguing about which vendor sucks more before flipping a coin and picking one 🙃
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
every time you post you make me hungry for snails. a little garlic butter...
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Snails and oysters do have a similar texture (it's snot... That's the texture).
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exploitedworkerbee
Quiet Quitting Mod
Each has pros and cons. It’s not the worst thing for someone to have to become informed and understand the options before shooting stuff into their bellies.
I guess @dionysos removed the list because of some recent criticism (unjustified in my opinion). Its a big loss for the community as it was a huge help especially for new members to list down trustworthy vendors faster compared to doing your own research entirely which can easily take 1 month +.
However, even with the list there was a need to do your own research, it just saved a lot of time to narrow down the selection and identify scammers and vendors to avoid in the first place.
However, even with the list there was a need to do your own research, it just saved a lot of time to narrow down the selection and identify scammers and vendors to avoid in the first place.
His spreadsheet never said Nexa was the best option though. He had it marked as a mix of green/yellow, with comments about their controversy...
From what I've seen, Dionysos has always urged individuals to do their own research.
Do you know anyone who received bunk product, got scammed or got very sick from their products? Do they take months to deliver while not being responsive?
No? Then I guess they could be considered rather safe options.
The majority of people in the market for these medicines, do not want to do research- they want to pay and receive a solution that works. So if they pick a vendor you personally don’t like, but that delivers product with the correct active ingredient from a spreadsheet instead of playing Russian roulette with facebook vendors - I’d say that’s a good thing.
It really doesn’t matter that you think they are stupid or want to force them to do research- they will not, they are not interested.
So the list definitely served a purpose and helped a lot of people - if you so strongly disagree, why don’t you make your own list with the best and safest vendors on top? 🤷♂️
There is no perfect vendor, and the spreadsheet is not an official resource - just an opinion, why all the hate? 🙃
I would consider the stinging and gelling issues with amo as receiving bad/harmful product. They were ranked highest "safe to buy" for a while and last I checked, still on the top of the list despite everything. Nexa is...fine if you are incapable of crypto I guess. It's (most likely) marked up qsc product sold by a dishonest person, and as with any domestic source, one extra step away from the manufacturer. They've been out of stock for a while though.
I am aware that the spreadsheet is not an official resource and that it's just an opinion. My opinion is that it is a bad resource. Your opinion is that my opinion is wrong. We all have our opinions and that's great. It's not "all the hate" to express a two sentence opinion that it isn't good.
The gray market is a dodgy ass place filled with shills, cons, and liars. Any community hoping to do well in it is going to need to develop a critical culture and avoid fandoms and sacred cows.
All the hate, was a reference to the general negativity towards someone sharing a list based on their opinion.
Attempting to bully… Wait, bullying the creator into removing the list does in my book warrant the phrase “all the hate”.
Now, I’m not saying that any of these vendors is the perfect choice (they may or may not be, I don’t know them).
And I’d be very interested to know how you made the connection that it’s marked up QSC products. There is more than a couple labs lyophilising product (not a ton though, since it does carry some risk for them - they are happier selling raws).
And the amount of raw sources is also increasing. I find it interesting how many people have become experts on the Chinese peptide supply chain lately 🤷♂️
Point being, it’s a bit of a stretch claiming that a vendor is reselling another vendors product.
It is not that difficult to find a lab that produces custom batches on order. Now, finding one that does that and also has their own raw production, is challenging- but becoming easier. The next question then is the quality and consistency in production for a new raw manufacturer.
That said, I will not claim to be the absolute authority on the situation. I know my small corner of the market and what I’m told by others.
What I can agree on is that it’s a messy market with a lot of shit going on.
But at the end of the day, I don’t see why there is a need to disparage the list Dino made. It has definitely helped a lot of people get over the threshold and start their journey.
I find that list infinitely safer than soliciting vendors on facebook, though it sure isn’t perfect 🤷♂️
My point of view might be different as a vendor. But the reality is that a lot of people opt for grey market peptides without the willingness to do research - so any nudge in the right direction is better than nothing.
I can say for sure that the majority has no interest in doing research and will go for the first option they feel might be safe
Attempting to bully… Wait, bullying the creator into removing the list does in my book warrant the phrase “all the hate”.
Now, I’m not saying that any of these vendors is the perfect choice (they may or may not be, I don’t know them).
And I’d be very interested to know how you made the connection that it’s marked up QSC products. There is more than a couple labs lyophilising product (not a ton though, since it does carry some risk for them - they are happier selling raws).
And the amount of raw sources is also increasing. I find it interesting how many people have become experts on the Chinese peptide supply chain lately 🤷♂️
Point being, it’s a bit of a stretch claiming that a vendor is reselling another vendors product.
It is not that difficult to find a lab that produces custom batches on order. Now, finding one that does that and also has their own raw production, is challenging- but becoming easier. The next question then is the quality and consistency in production for a new raw manufacturer.
That said, I will not claim to be the absolute authority on the situation. I know my small corner of the market and what I’m told by others.
What I can agree on is that it’s a messy market with a lot of shit going on.
But at the end of the day, I don’t see why there is a need to disparage the list Dino made. It has definitely helped a lot of people get over the threshold and start their journey.
I find that list infinitely safer than soliciting vendors on facebook, though it sure isn’t perfect 🤷♂️
My point of view might be different as a vendor. But the reality is that a lot of people opt for grey market peptides without the willingness to do research - so any nudge in the right direction is better than nothing.
I can say for sure that the majority has no interest in doing research and will go for the first option they feel might be safe
Kaybrewski
GLP-1 Novice
As of at least the 15th of this month it's completely green, but still has info about the controversies.
Yup. And it was historally ABC. Nexa now at the top
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I guess these conversations are inevitable. I would ask that when we have them we keep in mind that the person who created these resources - and many many others - is a person who was doing their best to protect the health and safety of a very vulnerable community.
He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.
He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.
@exploitedworkerbee phrased it rather well in another post.
Feel free to harass mods and vendors, but play nice with other members 👍
exploitedworkerbee
Quiet Quitting Mod
i think part of the problem is that people seem to get too enthusiastic too fast about new vendors before they've had time to show what theyre made of. this 100% happened with Amo and Nexa, but others with whom this happened are ZLZ, HYT, henan tengmao, the list goes on.
That spreadsheet was pushing judgements about vendors that had no proven record, which was then swallowed by new folks who didn't understand that fact, and the result is a lot of people with badly stinging tirz in their fridges (it could have been worse). The first post about Nexaph on this site was on September 12 -- 6 weeks ago, There is zero rational reason for people to be as dedicated as they are considering the amount of time they've been in business, but when they have been given the impression that authoritative sources have given the approval, this is what happens.
While this logic logics.
It stops logic-ing when you see people use the Introduction section for posts like:
“Yo, where can I buy terz??”
Then sit back and wait for a nice Chinese “girl” to message them.
These people are probably better off with some burning amopure tirz.
NB: Do not miss-read this and think I’m calling people stupid or looking down on anyone. It’s just a matter of priorities, topic knowledge and interest in the topic.
“This stuff solves the problem I want to solve, people say this vendor is cool, that’s good enough for me, LFG”
There is no way this person is reading hundreds of posts.
But I choose to believe that most people would fall into the category of trust, but spend 5-10min with the search function and google to verify.
So, that group being led astray so to say, would probably not be better off without the spreadsheet.
Edit: spelling
The PDFs still show up on his google drive.
Search your browser history, or just ask him for a link via DM. I think if he really wanted it gone, he'd take it down from his google drive.... but as of about 30 seconds ago I see a copy of it updated on the 20th.
Search your browser history, or just ask him for a link via DM. I think if he really wanted it gone, he'd take it down from his google drive.... but as of about 30 seconds ago I see a copy of it updated on the 20th.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
so who are we gonna buy from? 😕
the peptide nazi typed out a whole page of stuff explaining how "the Man" was not going to censor the sheet in response to my post, then went ahead and did it anyway??? am i wrong?
the peptide nazi typed out a whole page of stuff explaining how "the Man" was not going to censor the sheet in response to my post, then went ahead and did it anyway??? am i wrong?
I think the only sensible option would be to make a vendor roulette wheel
Was going to recommend my strategy for buying alts. Dartboard.
I got overly ambitious before realizing how much time I'm wasting on nothing - So this is what you get 🤣
Better than nothing, but completely useless (it's just a pasted html/javascript, so browser extensions and incognito will probably break it xD
Oh, and I used the GPT scanning the board to make the quotes, I take zero responsibility for accuracy or unintended rudeness - I told it to make it funny 🙂
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
AmoPure's subtext is "No pain, no gain" 😂😂😂
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