keangkong
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Is the Dionysos spreadsheet no longer available? I couldn’t find it.
Dionysos spreadsheet
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MiniatureSnail
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Correct, it is no longer available. His signature now says "GLP1 Vendors China datasheet is not available."
Maybe if you DM him he will share. He seems a nice fellow.
You’re overthinking it. Sharing a resource simply isn’t very popular once it gains too much traction and can be mistaken for an official resource 🤷♂️
I guess it’s preferable to have new users scroll through 100 pages of people arguing about which vendor sucks more before flipping a coin and picking one 🙃
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
every time you post you make me hungry for snails. a little garlic butter...
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Snails and oysters do have a similar texture (it's snot... That's the texture).
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Each has pros and cons. It’s not the worst thing for someone to have to become informed and understand the options before shooting stuff into their bellies.
I guess @dionysos removed the list because of some recent criticism (unjustified in my opinion). Its a big loss for the community as it was a huge help especially for new members to list down trustworthy vendors faster compared to doing your own research entirely which can easily take 1 month +.
However, even with the list there was a need to do your own research, it just saved a lot of time to narrow down the selection and identify scammers and vendors to avoid in the first place.
However, even with the list there was a need to do your own research, it just saved a lot of time to narrow down the selection and identify scammers and vendors to avoid in the first place.
GimmeABreak
Rabbit-hole Explorer
I have placed 3-4 orders with Nexa over the past 6 weeks, All ship the same or next business day and hit my door in less than 5 business days from ordering The prices are a little higher than China and I still need to send out for testing, but his service is outstanding considering the price that he charges.
Most US vendors are 10x the price of China, whereas Nexaph is 1.5x or so (depending on the product). I haven't pinned any of it yet but will as soon as I get everything tested. He is also VERY responsive to questions on his Telegram channel. So far, I have no complaints.
His spreadsheet never said Nexa was the best option though. He had it marked as a mix of green/yellow, with comments about their controversy...
From what I've seen, Dionysos has always urged individuals to do their own research.
bunniek
Recently Joined
I second Nexaph! I was really impressed with the ease of purchase, shipping was super quick and very professional. I had only previously purchased compound and was nervous to take this leap into "grey", but im now so glad I did!
Do you know anyone who received bunk product, got scammed or got very sick from their products? Do they take months to deliver while not being responsive?
No? Then I guess they could be considered rather safe options.
The majority of people in the market for these medicines, do not want to do research- they want to pay and receive a solution that works. So if they pick a vendor you personally don’t like, but that delivers product with the correct active ingredient from a spreadsheet instead of playing Russian roulette with facebook vendors - I’d say that’s a good thing.
It really doesn’t matter that you think they are stupid or want to force them to do research- they will not, they are not interested.
So the list definitely served a purpose and helped a lot of people - if you so strongly disagree, why don’t you make your own list with the best and safest vendors on top? 🤷♂️
There is no perfect vendor, and the spreadsheet is not an official resource - just an opinion, why all the hate? 🙃
I would consider the stinging and gelling issues with amo as receiving bad/harmful product. They were ranked highest "safe to buy" for a while and last I checked, still on the top of the list despite everything. Nexa is...fine if you are incapable of crypto I guess. It's (most likely) marked up qsc product sold by a dishonest person, and as with any domestic source, one extra step away from the manufacturer. They've been out of stock for a while though.
I am aware that the spreadsheet is not an official resource and that it's just an opinion. My opinion is that it is a bad resource. Your opinion is that my opinion is wrong. We all have our opinions and that's great. It's not "all the hate" to express a two sentence opinion that it isn't good.
The gray market is a dodgy ass place filled with shills, cons, and liars. Any community hoping to do well in it is going to need to develop a critical culture and avoid fandoms and sacred cows.
you are free to create your own list, after we can judge yours
All the hate, was a reference to the general negativity towards someone sharing a list based on their opinion.
Attempting to bully… Wait, bullying the creator into removing the list does in my book warrant the phrase “all the hate”.
Now, I’m not saying that any of these vendors is the perfect choice (they may or may not be, I don’t know them).
And I’d be very interested to know how you made the connection that it’s marked up QSC products. There is more than a couple labs lyophilising product (not a ton though, since it does carry some risk for them - they are happier selling raws).
And the amount of raw sources is also increasing. I find it interesting how many people have become experts on the Chinese peptide supply chain lately 🤷♂️
Point being, it’s a bit of a stretch claiming that a vendor is reselling another vendors product.
It is not that difficult to find a lab that produces custom batches on order. Now, finding one that does that and also has their own raw production, is challenging- but becoming easier. The next question then is the quality and consistency in production for a new raw manufacturer.
That said, I will not claim to be the absolute authority on the situation. I know my small corner of the market and what I’m told by others.
What I can agree on is that it’s a messy market with a lot of shit going on.
But at the end of the day, I don’t see why there is a need to disparage the list Dino made. It has definitely helped a lot of people get over the threshold and start their journey.
I find that list infinitely safer than soliciting vendors on facebook, though it sure isn’t perfect 🤷♂️
My point of view might be different as a vendor. But the reality is that a lot of people opt for grey market peptides without the willingness to do research - so any nudge in the right direction is better than nothing.
I can say for sure that the majority has no interest in doing research and will go for the first option they feel might be safe
Attempting to bully… Wait, bullying the creator into removing the list does in my book warrant the phrase “all the hate”.
Now, I’m not saying that any of these vendors is the perfect choice (they may or may not be, I don’t know them).
And I’d be very interested to know how you made the connection that it’s marked up QSC products. There is more than a couple labs lyophilising product (not a ton though, since it does carry some risk for them - they are happier selling raws).
And the amount of raw sources is also increasing. I find it interesting how many people have become experts on the Chinese peptide supply chain lately 🤷♂️
Point being, it’s a bit of a stretch claiming that a vendor is reselling another vendors product.
It is not that difficult to find a lab that produces custom batches on order. Now, finding one that does that and also has their own raw production, is challenging- but becoming easier. The next question then is the quality and consistency in production for a new raw manufacturer.
That said, I will not claim to be the absolute authority on the situation. I know my small corner of the market and what I’m told by others.
What I can agree on is that it’s a messy market with a lot of shit going on.
But at the end of the day, I don’t see why there is a need to disparage the list Dino made. It has definitely helped a lot of people get over the threshold and start their journey.
I find that list infinitely safer than soliciting vendors on facebook, though it sure isn’t perfect 🤷♂️
My point of view might be different as a vendor. But the reality is that a lot of people opt for grey market peptides without the willingness to do research - so any nudge in the right direction is better than nothing.
I can say for sure that the majority has no interest in doing research and will go for the first option they feel might be safe
rkl123
GLP-1 Enthusiast
People misunderstand the main value of Dio's spreadsheet. It isn't in fact about the most positively portrayed vendors at the top. Rather the primary value it had was steering folks AWAY from true scammers.
Hypothetical Contrived Example: Imagine a person who gets here with no background info. In my hypothetical, for easy numbers pretend there's 20 active vendors. 5 are "try to steal your card info or crypto scammers", 5 are "steal your money scammers", "3 are subpar fills or purity vendors", 7 are different degrees of good (anything from best vendor ever to amopure situation where most folks are happy but some are burned). The person who just arrives here doesn't know what's up. They'd have to read many many threads scouring here and other locations to actually learn about all of them. They probably don't realize the risks and aren't really on their guard. So in my silly hypothetical without his spreadsheet they have a 10/20 chance of a very bad experience and a 3/20 chance of a mediocre experience. Dio's sheet cuts most of those away. So maybe now they only bother considering 8 out of 20 of the vendors and their worst case scenario is a slight underfill or the amopure situation, a massive upgrade.
The numbers are probably much messier than 20 vendors, but I argue the picture I portray is reasonably representative of the noobie experience.
Hypothetical Contrived Example: Imagine a person who gets here with no background info. In my hypothetical, for easy numbers pretend there's 20 active vendors. 5 are "try to steal your card info or crypto scammers", 5 are "steal your money scammers", "3 are subpar fills or purity vendors", 7 are different degrees of good (anything from best vendor ever to amopure situation where most folks are happy but some are burned). The person who just arrives here doesn't know what's up. They'd have to read many many threads scouring here and other locations to actually learn about all of them. They probably don't realize the risks and aren't really on their guard. So in my silly hypothetical without his spreadsheet they have a 10/20 chance of a very bad experience and a 3/20 chance of a mediocre experience. Dio's sheet cuts most of those away. So maybe now they only bother considering 8 out of 20 of the vendors and their worst case scenario is a slight underfill or the amopure situation, a massive upgrade.
The numbers are probably much messier than 20 vendors, but I argue the picture I portray is reasonably representative of the noobie experience.
Kaybrewski
GLP-1 Novice
As of at least the 15th of this month it's completely green, but still has info about the controversies.
Yup. And it was historally ABC. Nexa now at the top
I don't blame him for removing it. You guys are new and don't know the history of the spreadsheet. See the polls in the forum? See who made the polls? The sheet was made from data submitted by all of the members here. WE submitted the data. If I collected the data and put it in a usable format and received the same kind of drama that is being posted, it would be a cold day before I would do another let alone share it. The talks of being a shill and the data being incorrect needs to stop. It is the experience of the people that submitted the info when purchasing from those sites.
Edited to add: These are also fly by night places and the quality and even being a source changes overnight. The sheet also stated to use at your own risk and to do your OWN research
Edited to add: These are also fly by night places and the quality and even being a source changes overnight. The sheet also stated to use at your own risk and to do your OWN research
geoguy78
GLP-1 Specialist
It's unfortunate that the spreadsheet is gone. Dionysos got a lot of unwarranted and unfair flak lately. First his reddit account got banned, which sucked because he was steering a lot of redditors towards a better way. He maintained a US vendors spreadsheet and various documents on bac water and dosing protocols. When he got banned, there were quite a few posts on reddit along the lines of "where did the guy with the spreadsheets go?". Then when tirz came off the shortage list and this site was flooded with panicking compound pharma customers, he started getting crapped on over the spreadsheet. I always thought it was ridiculous to make any fuss about his spreadsheet considering there's a vendor space at the bottom of this forum where they have free reign to openly advertise their contact information, pricing, telegram/pepchat/discord channels, etc. There aren't any secrets around here, this isn't Peppys where you have to contribute to the community for a while before you can openly talk sources. And before someone comes at me with "fight club", there's no rule saying you can't mention Peppys. If anything, his spreadsheet was a great resource for determining which vendors were verified scammers and crooks and now newbies have lost it. Which may be why I'm seeing such an uptick in posts here and in other places asking if anyone has heard of (insert random overseas vendor name).
MarisWinter
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Doxyisfoxy
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This is me! I am that person! I am immensely grateful for the research that has been done before I came along. I don’t want anyone to have to find out “the hard way” about any vendors but if people have experiences to share (particularly bad ones) I want to hear about them. Unfortunately, I have a job and a family so scrolling back through this forum to its inception for every anecdote is just not feasible. My research is ongoing but like, it was nice to have a jumping off point.
MarisWinter
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I love…you!
Me too, I have ordered 5 good times from Nexaph and have good experience each time, his customer service and the ease of ordering at his website is great, he's very responsive when you have issues, I have no complaints whatsoever 😀
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I guess these conversations are inevitable. I would ask that when we have them we keep in mind that the person who created these resources - and many many others - is a person who was doing their best to protect the health and safety of a very vulnerable community.
He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.
He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.
@exploitedworkerbee phrased it rather well in another post.
Feel free to harass mods and vendors, but play nice with other members 👍
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Also from what I recall each section of the sheet was in alphabetical order. That's why Amo was at the top...
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