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[ostrichsak]

I am very strong willed and have absolutely no problem telling/making myself quit something that I know is dangerous.

All evidence to the contrary.

It's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate. There is literally nobody in the medical community on the side of "reusing needles is perfectly safe" so you're not taking up a cause that is still up for debate. You're not showing uncommon bravery in the face of a bunch of wussies the way you seem to be painting this. It cannot be stated how incredibly reckless and foolish this behavior is. The fact that you're ignorant to all of the reasons (they're out there if you actually want to learn) doesn't make it any less so.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

 

[Fisherman2356]

t's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate.

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

 

[ostrichsak]

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

The problem here is that you think this is a Ford vs. Chevy debate rather medical fact that has been proven via scientific method for centuries. It's one of the known pillars of proper needle use since the dawn of needle use. It's not a handful of wussies with an opinion you don't agree with on the the world wide web. This is a goofy hill that you're choosing to die on, maybe literally.

Statements that you've made similar to what's in bold above are a clear & present danger to anyone else reading this who seems to think that this is sage wisdom to follow. This advice is some of the stupidest advice I've seen on this forum and it's a gray market peptides forum. Think about that statement for a minute.

I urge anyone who reads posts by Fisherman2356 to please just disregard them. This person(?) has clearly demonstrated that their data points are dangerous and shouldn't be followed in any way, shape or form.

I just can't comprehend the utter disregard for things that can and do absolutely kill people daily because.... Why was it again? Oh yeah.... "zero upside" is the motivation. Yeah, this all makes logical sense to me as someone who has nothing to lose or gain by anything you do.

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

That said, my motivation is no longer to help you understand something you are entirely blind to but to make sure that others aren't harmed by your ignorance on this topic. I truly wish you the best but that feels a bit pointless if you insist on regularly partaking in known reckless activities with no known upsides. That's the thing about Russian Roulette, you can choose to not play.

 

[Fisherman2356]

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

I do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, a lot actually (experiences more so than opinions thou). My only thing is I can't accept someone else's view or opinion, being that of scientist and/or specialized doctors either. I have to feel comfortable and ultimately come up with my own conclusion even though I absolutely listen and consider other people's (and scientific) opinions but do not take it at face value. As an example, I personally know two people that died because either doctors misdiagnosed them (one of them) or failed to appropriately and timely diagnose them (the other one). I've also read somewhere that there are roughly 90,000 deaths per year due to doctor errors/misdiagnoses.

I would venture to guess that even yourself agrees I'd NEVER be part of that statistic.

There have literally been cases where I have told people NOT to accept their doctor's opinion and I was right. One of people close to me was told they had a very dangerous condition and to start treatment/medication immediately. I told them to give me three days and NOT do anything for those three days. After a lot of research and reading, (some cases I specifically reached out and spoke to couple people), I came to the conclusion that the doctor was "STUPID" and had misdiagnosed my relative, and her situation was going to go in a very wrong and dangerous direction should she follow her doc's recommendation. Imagine being sick and in need of proper treatment/medication and getting the wrong medication/treatment. Basically, she had one problem and now she'd have multiple problems on top of the original one LOL.

Needless to say, I instructed her to visit a different doctor and specifically tell (new doctor) what she thinks she had (basically what I told them I suspect they had, which btw wasn't a nice thing but nowhere near life threatening as the first doctor had diagnosed). Lo and behold the second doctor agreed and properly diagnosed and treated her. Within couple months she was fully healed.

There are also cases (plenty if you asked me, so much so that the internet graveyards are full of them LOL) where scientific research of today is nullified and countered by a new study of tomorrow. What am (poor little) I to believe now. Might as well do my best to read and research and then make up my own mind and stick with it. It has worked perfectly for me so far. It may not work for you and anyone else. I'm ok with that.

Keep doing what works for you, and NEVER change it, but could you "please" extend me the same courtesy LOL. While you are free to keep pounding the ground at will, I'm comfortable and content with what I'm doing. Thanks for participating and your opinion, but sorry can't take your advice.

This is the end of this subject for me. You do you, and I'll do me.