Vendors supplying old Jano reports

[DaddyBigRig]

Hey all,

I’ve asked a vendor to supply Jano tests, which they have done, however, they are all from prior to September 2024.

supplying Jano tests that are over 6 months old raised a few red flags for me and I was just wondering if anyone could shed some light on this. To me, it suggests quality control isn’t forefront.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

All vendor-provided jano tests are marketing tools, not quality control tools. If they catch a bad test they just don't release it and can sell the batch anyway. It's not like they're testing it so they can keep you safe; they're doing the test to make you want to buy from them, full stop. You need to be independently testing everything.

 

[DaddyBigRig]

Yes, I see that side of it. But even if that is the case, it’s lousy marketing and not helping them sell product.

 

[Superfluous]

Understand your own risk profile. I'm totally relying on word of mouth from people on this forum (and discord etc) when it comes to vendors I use. The stuff I'm using now is good (because I'm using it on myself and it works) but even around the time I bought it there were reports of the same original supplier having some negative tests on other batches of the same drug. These negative tests were done by other buyers, not the vendor.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Yes, I see that side of it. But even if that is the case, it’s lousy marketing and not helping them sell product.

Agreed, but lots of people are just looking to have their desires validated. They want the product to be good, and a 6 month old Jano test is enough to allow them to tell themselves that it is.

 

[TheSavante]

I have never understood why people hold vendors Jano reports in high regards. Send it for testing yourself, period

 

[GimmeABreak]

I have never understood why people hold vendors Jano reports in high regards. Send it for testing yourself, period

I think a vendor test is a good screening tool when purchasing, assuming you get the product that was actually tested. Once the product is received join a group test or send for testing yourself.

If what you are buying is a pep that isn't very popular you may find a valid vendor COA that is several months old. Heck, PGB is currently selling R24 that was manufactured in August 2024 and tested in early September. It's still around not because reta isn't popular, just that they have not reduced the price as reta prices have declined over the past few months.

 

[heatherL]

I don't even "trust" US Domestic suppliers' COAs until I verify them by going to the lab's page through a new tab, then typing the info from the COA in myself. Using the QR codes or embedded links on COAs is just as simple to "create" to look legit as photoshopping the COA report itself.

As for overseas distributor COA's I don't even bother looking those up. What's to say that the vials you get are even from the same batch that was tested (pending the test was legit to begin with).

Call me a pessimist... say I don't trust anyone or anything ... you'd be right. I don't. I pretty much expect the worst going in. Then, the only place to go from there is either up ... or patting yourself on the back for being right all along. Rather than starting with mid-to-high expectations then constantly being burned and let down. If you start with the lowest expectations possible, you either prove yourself right (when things go wrong) ... or you go up from there (when someone does what they say with a good product).

 

[indolent]

Using the QR code

At least for Janoshik, the QR code leads to a page on the lab's own web domain for the particular test. If the vendor photoshopped anything, it wouldn't change on the lab's website.

What's to say that the vials you get are even from the same batch that was tested

Correct, unfortunately. And vial cap colors aren't a reliable guide for that.

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

Would it be necessary to test peps purchased from "top tier" U.S. vendors? I have in mind places like Skye and Tydes, where you might be testing the waters one vial at a time...

 

[heatherL]

At least for Janoshik, the QR code leads to a page on the lab's own web domain for the particular test. If the vendor photoshopped anything, it wouldn't change on the lab's website.

Correct, unfortunately. And vial cap colors aren't a reliable guide for that.

I am probably more skeptical of QR codes nowadays (post our "Covid-Era") than I am of just about anything on the web. I don't trust that the website that QR leads you to is always trustworthy ... even for Jano tests.
During Covid, my employer starting mandating the Covid shot. Well, they began MANDATING PROOF of the Covid shot. By "proof," they meant a computer-generated and "verifiable" record from the administering lab/pharmacy/etc. Basically, no handwritten cards and a link or QR code they could use to verify the info.
It was then that I learned that QR codes can direct you to VERY official and exact replica copies of major websites that appear 1000% LEGIT ... the browser address, the image, the links embedded on the page ... all of it. It legit looked EXACTLY right.
The ONLY way to know that it wasn't was to know to fixate your eyes on the browser while the link opened and watch it very very quickly roll over 2 or 3 times before landing on the final "verification" page. It happened so fast and if you didn't know to really really watch it, you would have no idea that it just flipped the link. No sh*t ... it looked IDENTICAL to Wal-Mart's pharmacy pages that other people had actually received the jab and a QR code from Wal-Mart. The similarities between the real one and the "dupes" were uncanny.
Ever since then, I've been super leary of QR codes in general.
I'd rather use a fresh new tab, type in the lab myself, click on the verify link, type in the # myself and press "verify."

In theory, "TRUST, BUT VERIFY" is a cute theory and all ... but I don't waste my time with the first part at all. I just skip on to the verify part.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Would it be necessary to test peps purchased from "top tier" U.S. vendors? I have in mind places like Skye and Tydes, where you might be testing the waters one vial at a time...

The only pricey domestic place I trust to that level is Polaris, and that’s because I’ve interacted with the owner so much and know him to be extremely ethical. But you probably haven’t, and shouldn’t take my word for it, so my feeling that I trust them to go untested shouldn’t mean much to anyone else.

 

[nonyabizznez]

Prices have come down since some vendors acquired their product. Assuming they actually tested, more time was consumed and by then prices went down further and they were left with dated overpriced product. PGB for example was recently selling 5mg Cagri for $115 (good price) that was tested in the fall. Their Reta is currently way overpriced compared to CN market but if you trust/value testing there's your premium.

Some vendors have Tirz for example tied to a test from last summer. They sell out and when they restock and begin selling again it's linked to the same damn test. (Yeah No) And QSC was great about linking tests to price sheets but the lid colors you'd receive rarely matched the test.

You having 1 out of 10 vials tested gives you the result of the one vial tested which we assume is representative of the rest of the kit but even that's not 100%. There's a reason we don't see too many test results on cheap kits (5mg Sema for example).

 

[nonyabizznez]

I see I should have read the thread before responding as I'm being redundant.

It's nice to see us all on the same page, Refreshing!

Happy Sunday Y'all!

 

[Super Trips]

Prices have come down since some vendors acquired their product. Assuming they actually tested, more time was consumed and by then prices went down further and they were left with dated overpriced product. PGB for example was recently selling 5mg Cagri for $115 (good price) that was tested in the fall. Their Reta is currently way overpriced compared to CN market but if you trust/value testing there's your premium.

Some vendors have Tirz for example tied to a test from last summer. They sell out and when they restock and begin selling again it's linked to the same damn test. (Yeah No) And QSC was great about linking tests to price sheets but the lid colors you'd receive rarely matched the test.

You having 1 out of 10 vials tested gives you the result of the one vial tested which we assume is representative of the rest of the kit but even that's not 100%. There's a reason we don't see too many test results on cheap kits (5mg Sema for example).

PGB sent that cagri for testing weeks ago so they should have the new test soon.
I bought 10+ kits of it so I’m on top of the testing results.

 

[nonyabizznez]

PGB sent that cagri for testing weeks ago so they should have the new test soon.
I bought 10+ kits of it so I’m on top of the testing results.

I'm talking about the batch that shipped late January... It's test was 9/09/24. I stocked up then or I'd be buying the current batch (still might).

Some of these domestic vendors are shipping year old batches and I wouldn't have a problem with that either... If I did I should get it tested. CN vendors routinely feature dusty relics in their promos.

 

[Super Trips]

I'm talking about the batch that shipped late January... It's test was 9/09/24. I stocked up then or I'd be buying the current batch (still might).

Some of these domestic vendors are shipping year old batches and I wouldn't have a problem with that either... If I did I should get it tested. CN vendors routinely feature dusty relics in their promos.

Someone did test that Jan cagri and the Reta 24 from Jan batch and it tested good. They posted it on the forum. It was with peptide test USA. This test was done mid February

 

[Super Trips]

I'm talking about the batch that shipped late January... It's test was 9/09/24. I stocked up then or I'd be buying the current batch (still might).

Some of these domestic vendors are shipping year old batches and I wouldn't have a problem with that either... If I did I should get it tested. CN vendors routinely feature dusty relics in their promos.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Someone did test that Jan cagri and the Reta 24 from Jan batch and it tested good. They posted it on the forum. It was with peptide test USA. This test was done mid February

That's good to know, I don't recall seeing it. I bought a kit off of a member that was stored in a <20C freezer from the time he received in Sept but PGB stores at room temp. Probably would still test ok now but I am not sure if 6mo storage at room temp would impact long-term freezer degradation a year or two from now. I will probably test it before I pin it if I end up keeping it stored for a long period of time.

 

[nonyabizznez]

Thanks so much for posting the test! Some people have a strong reaction to Cagri and dose <.30mg so a 24% overfill obviously is significant and good to know. Nexha's Cagri being sold at the same time was similarly overfilled. If everyone has hoarded like me there's gonna be a bunch of people with strong Cagri reactions in 2033!