What do/don't you want to see from vendors?

[mrfat]

Seems to be a bit of a divide in business and cultural practices between China and the west. Assumptions are made on both sides but doesn't always lead to the best experience for either. What practices do you wish vendors would adopt or drop?

Seems like they think we want young female sales agents who call us dear and send silly emojis. Use fake avatars and western names like Kelly, Mia or whatever to ingratiate themselves but I think most of us could care less.

Prices are always negotiable but I don't know how many of you bother. Western practice isn't really to haggle with pricing, especially for fear of angering the vendor.

Should they drop the charade that they are manufacturing peptides? Most, if not all of them are just distributors.

It would be nice if they could conduct testing themselves instead of relying on customers to do so. Also include batch numbers. A few vendors do conduct testing themselves and their prices are the same but even if they were more I'm sure most of us would pay the premium.

Maybe we can assemble a list of changes, vote on them and let vendors know what we value and see which ones want to cater to our request and perhaps dramatically increase their market share.

 

[druell235]

Seems to be a bit of a divide in business and cultural practices between China and the west. Assumptions are made on both sides but doesn't always lead to the best experience for either. What practices do you wish vendors would adopt or drop?

Seems like they think we want young female sales agents who call us dear and send silly emojis. Use fake avatars and western names like Kelly, Mia or whatever to ingratiate themselves but I think most of us could care less.

Prices are always negotiable but I don't know how many of you bother. Western practice isn't really to haggle with pricing, especially for fear of angering the vendor.

Should they drop the charade that they are manufacturing peptides? Most, if not all of them are just distributors.

It would be nice if they could conduct testing themselves instead of relying on customers to do so. Also include batch numbers. A few vendors do conduct testing themselves and their prices are the same but even if they were more I'm sure most of us would pay the premium.

Maybe we can assemble a list of changes, vote on them and let vendors know what we value and see which ones want to cater to our request and perhaps dramatically increase their market share.

Most vendors I've dealt with do conduct their own initial tests and some even sponsor a second round of randomized tests from kits that are sold from the current batch. The are several reasons why the community still insists on its own testing, but these a the biggest two off the top of my head.

1. Vendor tests can be wrong. One vendor I've used in the past just had some of their reta come back as tirz from the third party test. They have posted an explanation and are doing a sponsor test from volunteers to triple check, but it does happen. Vendor COA's can also be manipulated or straight up faked.

2. Vendor sponsored tests introduce bias and motive. Even if the vendor off loads the running of the test to a community member, they might have a backdoor arrangement with that community member to withhold certain results or only send in certain vials, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Jfrick11]

Seems to be a bit of a divide in business and cultural practices between China and the west. Assumptions are made on both sides but doesn't always lead to the best experience for either. What practices do you wish vendors would adopt or drop?

Seems like they think we want young female sales agents who call us dear and send silly emojis. Use fake avatars and western names like Kelly, Mia or whatever to ingratiate themselves but I think most of us could care less.

Prices are always negotiable but I don't know how many of you bother. Western practice isn't really to haggle with pricing, especially for fear of angering the vendor.

Should they drop the charade that they are manufacturing peptides? Most, if not all of them are just distributors.

It would be nice if they could conduct testing themselves instead of relying on customers to do so. Also include batch numbers. A few vendors do conduct testing themselves and their prices are the same but even if they were more I'm sure most of us would pay the premium.

Maybe we can assemble a list of changes, vote on them and let vendors know what we value and see which ones want to cater to our request and perhaps dramatically increase their market share.

This feels less like a vendor problem and more like a cultural mismatch.

A lot of what’s being criticized — friendly language, emojis, negotiation, relationship-based sales — is normal business practice outside the US. It’s not a “charade,” it’s just not Western transactional style.

This is a grey market. Expecting low prices and Western-style transparency, in-house testing, batch tracking, and full disclosure ignores the tradeoffs that make grey markets possible.

At the core, we’re choosing to participate in a grey market, but we want vendors to absorb all the risk, cost, and liability so we can feel "more comfortable". That’s not how grey markets work.

If someone wants standardized testing, documentation, and accountability, that exists — it’s called regulated healthcare, and it costs more. Grey markets are about access and price, not entitlement.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

I think a lot of these "companies" with "warehouses" are literally someones bedroom in china, someone who knows enough English to sell this or that. Thats the Chinese vendors. A lot of American vendors are definitely doing this as a side hustle for the most part as they hang in reddit threads like fleas on a dog.

 

[vjorvj5150]

I want a vendor that takes paypal as a payment method. Goods and services.

 

[Hichewgoddess]

Seems like they think we want young female sales agents who call us dear and send silly emojis. Use fake avatars and western names like Kelly, Mia or whatever to ingratiate themselves but I think most of us could care less.

You’re wrong, Kelly said she loves me😢 Are you saying it’s not true?!

 

[ZippityDooDah]

I want a vendor that takes paypal as a payment method. Goods and services.

I want world peace.

And a time machine.

And for people to realize that vendors accepting PayPal (goods & services or otherwise) is a bug, not a feature.

 

[Waclive]

I want world peace.

And a time machine.

And for people to realize that vendors accepting PayPal (goods & services or otherwise) is a bug, not a feature.

Does this apply to any payment option that isn't crypto or Ali Baba?

 

[wildcat0367]

I want vendors to batch test their products through third party labs like Janoshek. I do not mind paying a bit more for a peptide I know is real. My option is to buy a kit for 200.00 or so and then spend 300.00 to test myself and lose a vial and have to wait for testing to come back. Absolutely worth an extra 10-20 dollars a kit. Saves time and money and the headache of trying to get refunded for bunk product you tested yourself. All vendors should do this and charge a little more and rightfully so. Domestic warehouse products usually cost more as well but again worth it for quick turn around and almost no risk.

 

[vjorvj5150]

Does this apply to any payment option that isn't crypto or Ali Baba?

Alibaba would be great to

 

[ambot88]

I want world peace.

And a time machine.

And for people to realize that vendors accepting PayPal (goods & services or otherwise) is a bug, not a feature.

I'm old and can't learn new things. I like paypal.

 

[byefatlicia]

Seems like they think we want young female sales agents who call us dear and send silly emojis. Use fake avatars and western names like Kelly, Mia or whatever to ingratiate themselves but I think most of us could care less

Okay, so I'm in sales. So was my Pop. One thing he taught me is, people buy from people they like and trust. So image is important. And demeanor plays a part in success. So, on one hand they present a good looking photo, attractive and well put together. But on the other hand, we don't exactly trust it is who they really are. But we want to believe it is. I think all in all it is a good strategy.

Who would you likely buy from?



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[Jfrick11]

I want world peace.

And a time machine.

And for people to realize that vendors accepting PayPal (goods & services or otherwise) is a bug, not a feature.

Bingo. Grey-market access with mainstream consumer safeguards that actually last? Might as well add unicorns😉

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Okay, so I'm in sales. So was my Pop. One thing he taught me is, people buy from people they like and trust. So image is important. And demeanor plays a part in success. So, on one hand they present a good looking photo, attractive and well put together. But on the other hand, we don't exactly trust it is who they really are. But we want to believe it is. I think all in all it is a good strategy.

Who would you likely buy from?

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I think the first pic looks more like a Linda from China, than the second pic?

 

[Waclive]

Who would you likely buy from?

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The first photo is a guy who wants to sell you peptides made in a bathtub or eat your kidney.

The second photo is a girl who we think wants to sell us peptides but the other guy sent her to harvest our kidney so he can eat it.