Whats the quality of Chinese Tirz compared to Lilly?

[Nmcoyote1]

I do know know if their Tirz is better. But we all know that the main ingredients for almost all pharmaceuticals are made in China and are tested, processed and packaged here. For that matter a lot completed meds are made in China or other similar countries. It has been widely reported that compound pharmacies are getting GLP-1’s from China. As the drug makers have said they are not supplying them with the meds or main ingredients. I prefer to buy my peptides using group buys that include testing. And have done it this way for several years. So that I can feel more comfortable using the peptides I'm getting. From the group buys I've participated in. People receive their peptides then volunteer to send in vials from what they received to one person that will send it off to the lab. We all pay a few dollars more up front for the testing and to reimburse people the the Vial they give up for testing. This takes more time but gives another layer of trust in the product you received.

 

[Retazempic]

I think that’s what I mean, garage sale - petty cash. Crypto - name and taxes. Flying under the radar. It seems different somehownin the age of AI. Trying to come to terms with it, not at all opposing what you’re saying

Id agree with that. Molly from Jeep isn’t reporting my purchases to Uncle Sam. But Coinbase (or was it Kraken?) demanded I provide them info for tax purposes before I could continue using some or all of their platform.

But I do agree with the main tax point - the IRS is not wasting their time running after de minimis income

And if you get hit with an audit, you probably have bigger-ticket items you should be worrying about

 

[itoshii_hito_]

I do know know if their Tirz is better. But we all know that the main ingredients for almost all pharmaceuticals are made in China and are tested, processed and packaged here. For that matter a lot completed meds are made in China or other similar countries. It has been widely reported that compound pharmacies are getting GLP-1’s from China. As the drug makers have said they are not supplying them with the meds or main ingredients. I prefer to buy my peptides using group buys that include testing. And have done it this way for several years. So that I can feel more comfortable using the peptides I'm getting. From the group buys I've participated in. People receive their peptides then volunteer to send in vials from what they received to one person that will send it off to the lab. We all pay a few dollars more up front for the testing and to reimburse people the the Vial they give up for testing. This takes more time but gives another layer of trust in the product you received.

I feel like this what it really boils down to. Grey means you just gotta go the extra mile to make sure it's legit with independent testing but the caveat is your getting it cheaper. I rather that than pay some astronomical amount to big pharma all in the name of convenience.

 

[lessthanhalf]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.
On the other hand out of 3 different brands of PEA supplement I bought from amazon all 3 are dodgy, none of the pills weigh enough to have the listed dose of ingredients inside, though some are more obviously fraudulent than others - weighs 300 mg listed to have 1400mg
After doing a bit of research , as far as I can tell the vast majority of more recent fashionable supplements on amazon like Urolithin A , Melatonin, NMN or even fish oil are very questionable, based on pill size vs ingredients, packaging styling versus known dodgy brands, and price of the supplements versus the price of the ingredients in bulk from china, as well as a few published test reports like the ones from NOW. If the cheap ones are a quarter the price of the known good brands then they are almost certainly massively underdosed at best. And a few studies show deliberate contamination with active drugs in male supplements of viagra like compounds is very common, and of incorrect herbs as well.
It definitely feels weird that I can trust Chinese drug dealers to be more honest than one of America's largest companies

 

[mercutio]

It amazes me. EL is like $8/mg. Grey is like pennys/mg. Grey could put in fillers and buffers, and generally cheapen the stuff, but evidently they decided not. The dry puck is ruffly the same size in a T20 as is a T60? So one could be buying some fillers in lesser doses, but it ain't hurting anyone. It's nobody's business what the profit margin is, but evidently, by the time everyone gets their cut, they can make this stuff by the ton?

They are almost all fillers. You'd be barely able to see the active drug in each if there was no filler in there.

 

[thatkatmat]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.

I get the same side effect! (1st I've heard of someone else having it) my tinnitus gets way more annoying and higher pitched. I can attest that what I got from Lilly and what I'm currently getting are very similar if not exactly the same strength. The only difference is I paid $16.63 a mg from Lilly and my last buy cost me $0.50 a mg.

 

[Labcat]

So far out of 7 purchases from China , they all seem fine. luckily I get a weird side effect from tirzepatide of louder tinnitus so I can instantly tell it is the correct drug, and all the other seem to be doing what they are meant to.
On the other hand out of 3 different brands of PEA supplement I bought from amazon all 3 are dodgy, none of the pills weigh enough to have the listed dose of ingredients inside, though some are more obviously fraudulent than others - weighs 300 mg listed to have 1400mg
After doing a bit of research , as far as I can tell the vast majority of more recent fashionable supplements on amazon like Urolithin A , Melatonin, NMN or even fish oil are very questionable, based on pill size vs ingredients, packaging styling versus known dodgy brands, and price of the supplements versus the price of the ingredients in bulk from china, as well as a few published test reports like the ones from NOW. If the cheap ones are a quarter the price of the known good brands then they are almost certainly massively underdosed at best. And a few studies show deliberate contamination with active drugs in male supplements of viagra like compounds is very common, and of incorrect herbs as well.
It definitely feels weird that I can trust Chinese drug dealers to be more honest than one of America's largest companies

This is great stuff to think about, thank you so much for putting these organized thoughts here!

Grey has really opened my eyes to the realities of the details of our drug supply line. And the devil is always in the details. Plus yeah, it does seem that almost every business would cheat if they could get away with it, and now the ownership of brands has be one quite obscurable.

Where do you look for raw prices?

 

[lessthanhalf]

The raw prices I found were on Amazon and ebay. No doubt there are many on made in china or alibaba but more of a pain to buy that way and will often have large quantity requirements. There are 2 sellers on amazon akkersunder and healthyfinds , watch out for amazon autocorrect for healthyfinds. Quite a few of the same items that are available from chinese peptide sellers like bam15 slu-pp-332 , but a few supplement type ones like ergothionine, and a few interesting obscure ones like 7,8 dihydroxyflavone a bdnf mimic that binds to trkb receptors ( not tested in humans ). A lot of the supplement type chemicals like PEA or OEA or urolithin a or berberine, luteolin, fisetin etc and a wide range of herbal extracts are on ebay , and can be bought in a few gram quantities for the expensive ones to kilogram quantities for the cheaper ones. For example 98% urolithin a is about $200 usd for 100g. There is of course no way to know how genuine or pure these products are, sometimes there is a coa, but usually not. The fact that a lot of them have obvious physical or chemical characteristics in their pure form makes selling you flour or sugar instead a bit less likely and I would guess some buyers might have access to testing equipment, and there is no real business model for selling people crap in this context , unlike underdosed supplements on amazon that are making many millions. And in general I would trust the ebay feedback system more than paid for or otherwise reviews on amazon. I have only bought a few items but am thinking seriously that it is likely to be cheaper and have a higher probability of getting what I paid for buying things that way and making my own.

 

[Retazempic]

I’m not a doctor or scientist. But I personally cannot imagine injecting myself with a solution that has powder measured out by me, for a few reasons, the top 2 being:

A) if I get raw powder, I don’t know it’s purely what I paid for, which is related to …

B) what might be called a corollary to the hotspot problem, ie, the top half of my container of powder might be peptide, while the bottom half might by fentanyl

Like I wouldn’t even know how to test it in a way that makes me feel comfortable

 

[Labcat]

I’m not a doctor or scientist. But I personally cannot imagine injecting myself with a solution that has powder measured out by me, for a few reasons, the top 2 being:

A) if I get raw powder, I don’t know it’s purely what I paid for, which is related to …

B) what might be called a corollary to the hotspot problem, ie, the top half of my container of powder might be peptide, while the bottom half might by fentanyl

Like I wouldn’t even know how to test it in a way that makes me feel comfortable

Solutions like glp made from measured powders would be very risky. I’m sure the CN themselves dose the liquid first, prior to lyo. And even that has variability that we see from m+p.

Having a trustworthy coa before putting anything into the body oral or otherwise is important, this thread started out by noticing that commercial supplements in the US seem frequently to be at minimum underdosing. Which raises questions about honesty in other areas.

I had the impression the person I was responding to is talking more about supplement pills in powder forms, but if I misunderstood, or anyone else thinks this is about general peptide raws, I’ll also chime in to say, it’s dangerous and highly technical work to powder dose things, especially if you can’t be certain of the true contents including m+p and contaminants and bacteria and endo… and items things that need the highly technical powder dispersion technology to prevent overdose.

 

[lessthanhalf]

Absolutely talking about supplements for oral use only. Injecting anything with completely unknown bacteria count does not sound like a good idea. Trying to make your own peptide batches from raws realistically cannot be done anywhere near safely at home.