🚨BREAKING🚨 Peptide Sciences - Gone

Negative that is different company
Im Not No Way GIF
 
ZippityDooDah said:
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They did not cater to people aware, willing, and able to source from overseas; which is only about 10% of the peptide buying population. They catered to the other 90%.
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I'm curious where you're getting this 90/10 breakdown of peptide consumption from?

ZippityDooDah said:
Actually I do, however that still doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of domestic vendors are clueless and unprepared. Of the countless domestic vendors, there are probably a dozen or fewer that have adequate legal representation (or at least reserve funds for that purpose) in place.

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And this assertion that 'fewer than a dozen' domestic vendors have adequate legal representation is based upon what, exactly?
 
Gr33dyOctopus said:
5 percent price raise across the board and free shipping from 398 to 598
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This is one of (but probably a biggie) the many reasons people don't like discussing their sources. Word gets out about a great vendor, more people start using them, and bam, suddenly their pricing goes up, up and away.
 
tendency said:
I'm curious where you're getting this 90/10 breakdown of peptide consumption from?


And this assertion that 'fewer than a dozen' domestic vendors have adequate legal representation is based upon what, exactly?
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Both from my membership in the cabal 🤪 and knowledge that I’ve acquired from interactions with countless vendors, many of whom people have never heard of.
 
ZippityDooDah said:
I have long said that if/when the day comes that Peptide Sciences is no more, that the entire complexion of the domestic research peptide market would change dramatically.

They have faced countless challenges and attempts to shut them down over the years, and always successfully came out on top. While there's no doubt the owners have had more than enough money to retire on for years, they never stopped trying to make more.

They had a reputation for investing in some of the best legal representation possible (unlike most other domestic vendors who wouldn't have any idea what kind of lawyer to call if the shit hit the fan, never mind have the foresight to put a large percentage of profits into a legal rainy day fund). Knowing that, I tend to believe something happened or was about to happen that their legal team told them they could not overcome, and they took that advice and raised the white flag.
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Though this case of Peptide Sciences is arguably different (as Zippity says above), the steroid world is still way worse sometimes, as in unable to get certain products for a while. So there may be some consolation in comparison.

Even though what steroid users desire is a controlled substance and a federal offense for simple possession, they mostly worry about one thing: no more of their favorite steroid -- as in zero production. They don't care too much about their vendors getting busted, because it is very rare, and doesn't affect buyers anyway, who rarely get in trouble.

So what triggers more buying for Meso folks is the product/manufacturing availability actually going down, with the pricing going up. Peptide pricing has never gone up (yet).
 
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Raptorrunner said:
Maybe, but I think time will tell on that. I think the curtailing of price gougers like this, especially those located domestically may take some heat off other distribution channels.

I may be wrong.

The fear-mongers and easily panicked will of course use this to fuel their sky is falling world view.

My head isn't in the sand, I've got a couple years worth of the stuff I use as a hedge, but i'm not thinking this is the a good ant and pur back for potential shortages but don't buy worries either.
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Chili777 said:
Enough to have reported revenue of $7.45M just for the month of December. They were raking it in. I've seen it said that 5 mg of BPC was around $100 a vial. No idea if that's true or not as I have never looked at single vial sites as I have no interest. Their prime demo was aged 45-54, so people with money as well as little to no inclination to look any further.

https://open.suspicious-link-remove...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7l77vf
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$20 a mg for bpc ... Egads, that's ballsy. Bold strategy indeed but that's not a poor December's revenue for it. At those prices that's just 735 kits... Give it take a zero or few 😜
 
LabRatts said:
$20 a mg for bpc ... Egads, that's ballsy. Bold strategy indeed but that's not a poor December's revenue for it. At those prices that's just 735 kits... Give it take a zero or few 😜
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Companies like this thrive because they remove all the technical barriers for newbies and people that have money and are willing to pay for a frictionless transaction. Things like crypto, customs, and navigating TG and Discord can be intimidating to the masses and they eliminated all that. They had a slick lab-like website, reams of peptide info, and made it simple just to throw a credit card out there and get delivery in a few days. I even used to read their peptide research myself. They offered COAs as reassurance, although they had several really bad ones in the months before they closed (or changed their name), and they were one-stop shopping for Ken and Karen,, and probably some influencers and celebrities.

I've heard rumors that they may have made a large purchase and may come back as a PUO provider as the marketplace changes. There has been speculation, since RFK Jr made his peptide classification comments, that the marketplace is moving from an RUO model to a PUO model, meaning physician use only, and that they are positioning for that eventuality. I find it difficult to believe that a company making that kind of money, and with that kind of marketplace knowledge, is simply going to close up shop and call it a wrap. Time will tell.
 
Chili777 said:
Companies like this thrive because they remove all the technical barriers for newbies and people that have money and are willing to pay for a frictionless transaction.
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back in the "long-while-ago," they were the first vendor I discovered while looking for a substitute for tele-health. I thought I had found "my" vendor BUT they don't ship to Ohio! LOL! I lucked out and was forced to continue searching for a vendor and stumbled across Nexaph and then ultimately to the grey.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Maybe that's the order the FDA is following too.
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Thats where I am now. I know I can figure out crypto, getting in on group testing, and everything else.

OR I can pay a 50% premium get nexaph preorders and roll with it. I just was working the numbers and I have at least a 40 week supply at current usage for the wife and I. It just feels like a ton of work for marginal cost savings. Paying $24 a month vs $50 makes absolutely no difference in my life.

Getting a product with a great track record and multiple first and third party COAs is important to me. Heck the group testing is so big you make up a fair amount of the premium on group testing savings.
 
neo6488 said:
Thats where I am now. I know I can figure out crypto, getting in on group testing, and everything else.

OR I can pay a 50% premium get nexaph preorders and roll with it. I just was working the numbers and I have at least a 40 week supply at current usage for the wife and I. It just feels like a ton of work for marginal cost savings. Paying $24 a month vs $50 makes absolutely no difference in my life.

Getting a product with a great track record and multiple first and third party COAs is important to me. Heck the group testing is so big you make up a fair amount of the premium on group testing savings.
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I've got similar thinking as you however there is a middle way: reputable China based vendors that have US warehouses.
 
randompersonrandom said:
NO, damnit. I panic buy EVERY time a major seller goes down, but not this time.
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I've been crawling around this internet since it was brand new and I think this has GOT to be the first time I've ever seen a "You can call me Al" reference tucked into such a perfectly normal tagline.
 
Chili777 said:
Companies like this thrive because they remove all the technical barriers for newbies and people that have money and are willing to pay for a frictionless transaction. Things like crypto, customs, and navigating TG and Discord can be intimidating to the masses and they eliminated all that. They had a slick lab-like website, reams of peptide info, and made it simple just to throw a credit card out there and get delivery in a few days. I even used to read their peptide research myself. They offered COAs as reassurance, although they had several really bad ones in the months before they closed (or changed their name), and they were one-stop shopping for Ken and Karen,, and probably some influencers and celebrities.

I've heard rumors that they may have made a large purchase and may come back as a PUO provider as the marketplace changes. There has been speculation, since RFK Jr made his peptide classification comments, that the marketplace is moving from an RUO model to a PUO model, meaning physician use only, and that they are positioning for that eventuality. I find it difficult to believe that a company making that kind of money, and with that kind of marketplace knowledge, is simply going to close up shop and call it a wrap. Time will tell.
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I'd wager you've assessed this spot on, or as much as one can. My first pep purchase was from a reseller (as opposed to doing a local compounding deal via wife's Dr. who "lit the fuse" in us about these marvels) and then we quickly shifted to going closer to the actual source. I'm never not shocked at one of my wife's friends who still pays for the 'convenience" of not learning more, not getting to do all this cool fraternizing with the wonderful folks here, and expanding her comfort zone, all to the tune of 10-40 X the cost what I/we pay for the same research materials.
 
tendency said:
I've got similar thinking as you however there is a middle way: reputable China based vendors that have US warehouses.
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I'm open to suggestions if you have one. I just looked and I paid $180 for a 30mg kit of tirz. Current us warehouse prices I see are about $110 on the low end for that. As low as $75 from China.

For me the big one is a decent 3rd party testing group. If I have to shell out $400 on testing I may as go with nexaph.

Feel free to DM if you don't want to post here.
 
ZippityDooDah said:
I have long said that if/when the day comes that Peptide Sciences is no more, that the entire complexion of the domestic research peptide market would change dramatically.


They have faced countless challenges and attempts to shut them down over the years, and always successfully came out on top. While there's no doubt the owners have had more than enough money to retire on for years, they never stopped trying to make more.


They had a reputation for investing in some of the best legal representation possible (unlike most other domestic vendors who wouldn't have any idea what kind of lawyer to call if the shit hit the fan, never mind have the foresight to put a large percentage of profits into a legal rainy day fund). Knowing that, I tend to believe something happened or was about to happen that their legal team told them they could not overcome, and they took that advice and raised the white flag.
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This is all new to me, thus is the first i have ever even heard of Peptide Science. What exactly was it?
 
IronPaw. said:
This is all new to me, thus is the first i have ever even heard of Peptide Science. What exactly was it?
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US based single vial vendor that shut down 1-2 months ago. Stopped selling GLP around December.
 
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