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Hey everyone!
I've decided to buy two 24 IU HGH kits to do HGH therapy along with Reta, which I've been doing for 9 weeks. Previously, I tried HGH at a rate of 2 IU per day using 10 IU vials, and it lasted me 5 days.
I want to buy 24 IU vials for convenience and price, but can I use the vial for up to 12 days? How long does it last once reconstituted?
If that's too long, I'm considering buying the 36 IU option.
Thanks for your opinions and advice.
 
Omxxl said:
Hey everyone!
I've decided to buy two 24 IU HGH kits to do HGH therapy along with Reta, which I've been doing for 9 weeks. Previously, I tried HGH at a rate of 2 IU per day using 10 IU vials, and it lasted me 5 days.
I want to buy 24 IU vials for convenience and price, but can I use the vial for up to 12 days? How long does it last once reconstituted?
If that's too long, I'm considering buying the 36 IU option.
Thanks for your opinions and advice.
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I just bought 6 kits of 36iu.
In lipolized form you can keep in fridge or freezer (for longer term storage).
 
Above is correct, per the guys at Meso.

For reconned HGH, about 9 percent degradation after 10 days (which is still surprising compared to GLPs), but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days:

From private Jano testing, after 10 days, you’ve lost ~10% of mass. Day 30 is around 15% of mass...

Reconstituted with 3ml

Initial mass 43.2 mg
Mass day 9: 39.9 mg
Mass day 19: 39.9 mg
Mass day 30: 37.2 mg
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Janoshik did a test some years back and as the others have indicated, if kept refrigerated it will keep for a few weeks with little loss. So you should be good if using within a week or 2.
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For HGH powder, fridge is usually preferred at Meso (by my favorite posters anyway), unless storing for more than one year or so.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Above is correct, per the guys at Meso.

For reconned HGH, about 9 percent degradation after 10 days (which is still surprising compared to GLPs), but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days:



For HGH powder, fridge is usually preferred at Meso (by my favorite posters anyway), unless storing for more than one year or so.
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That's interesting, I thought the degradation was much greater.
 
Calm Logic said:
Too bad we can't go by feelz as with GLPs. I guess you could go by side effects if you took enough, haha.
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In my case, if it remains effective at doses above 2 IU, I notice that my wrists hurt, and if I reach 4 IU, I start to experience water retention. Blood levels of IGFL1 can also be measured.
 
Are you able to test IGF-1 often and quickly where you are? In the US, it's as low as $14 each time (using a $30 Fitomics monthly membership to order up to 6+ months of tests).
 
Calm Logic said:
Above is correct, per the guys at Meso.

For reconned HGH, about 9 percent degradation after 10 days (which is still surprising compared to GLPs), but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days:



For HGH powder, fridge is usually preferred at Meso (by my favorite posters anyway), unless storing for more than one year or so.
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I looked and searched but couldnt get a definitive answer on fridge vs freezer. So I dumped in the freezer.
Will pull 1 vial out every few weeks and reconn...
 
sfkid said:
I looked and searched but couldnt get a definitive answer on fridge vs freezer. So I dumped in the freezer.
Will pull 1 vial out every few weeks and reconn...
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Yeah, there is definitely no consensus at Meso about freezing HGH powder. Some will never freeze it. But then again, some there will never freeze any peptide.

They worry about the freeze-thaw cycles with regular (auto-defrost) freezers, but they don't usually mention using something like HydraPeak or Thermos.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Yeah, there is definitely no consensus at Meso about freezing HGH powder. Some will never freeze it. But then again, some there will never freeze any peptide.
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I reached out to the vendor (JKL) and asked as well. They said fridge or cool dry place. But again I have idea if they are middle men just hawking peps or the actual producer so 🤷‍♂️
 
Calm Logic said:
¿Es posible realizar análisis de IGF-1 de forma frecuente y rápida donde te encuentras? En Estados Unidos, el precio es de tan solo 14 dólares por análisis (con una suscripción mensual a Fitomics de 30 dólares que permite solicitar análisis durante más de 6 meses).
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Mi seguro médico público cubre ciertas pruebas, pero también tengo un seguro privado que incluye análisis de sangre completos varias veces al año. El problema es que no me gustan nada los análisis de sangre, jajaja.
 
Haha. Cool. Translation by Google Gemini:

My public health insurance covers certain tests, but I also have private insurance that includes full blood work several times a year. The problem is, I really don't like blood tests at all, haha.
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sfkid said:
I reached out to the vendor (JKL) and asked as well. They said fridge or cool dry place. But again I have idea if they are middle men just hawking peps or the actual producer so 🤷‍♂️
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Considering at least some HGH is still grown using E. Coli. (rather than yeast), I am leaning more towards the freezer in the future (in a HydraPeak or Thermos), not using the fridge for HGH powder at all.
 
My public health insurance covers certain tests, but I also have private insurance that includes comprehensive blood tests several times a year. The problem is, I really don't like blood tests, haha.
 
Calm Logic said:
Considering at least some HGH is still grown using E. Coli. (rather than yeast), I am leaning more towards the freezer in the future (in a HydraPeak or Thermos), not using the fridge for HGH powder at all.
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Now I’m confused. Read so many threads about the “fragility” of hgh and how it should never be frozen. So I keep it all - powder and reconned - in the fridge. 🙄
 
Jano said in Dec. 2023 that freezing HGH powder "doesn't noticeably affect" it:

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For preventing degradation after recon, a tip by Ghoul there is to use 3 mL BAC (instead of less):

Reconstitute to 3ml. When HGH is damaged, and it starts to aggregate, experiments show the greater the concentration, the worse the aggregation is because, simply put, the molecules are crowded and bump into each other more, increasing the chance of sticking to each other.

Here's an illustration of how damaged (oxidized in this case) HGH forms more and larger aggregates with increased concentration:

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The testing group that saw 9 percent degradation after 10 days (of refrigeration after recon) also used 3 mL. (but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days)
 
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Calm Logic said:
Jano said in Dec. 2023 that freezing HGH powder "doesn't noticeably affect" it:

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For preventing degradation after recon, use 3 mL BAC (instead of less):

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Thank you, I was getting a lil worried because as soon as my kits arrived they went into the Hydropeak and into the freezer
 
Calm Logic said:
Jano said in Dec. 2023 that freezing HGH powder "doesn't noticeably affect" it:

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For preventing degradation after recon, a tip by Ghoul there is to use 3 mL BAC (instead of less):



The testing group that saw 9 percent degradation after 10 days (of refrigeration after recon) also used 3 mL. (but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days)
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Thanks for clarification!! Feel much better now.
 
By the way, does anyone know of a vendor or group that does endotoxin testing on HGH? Uther's endo results looked very good:


But I don't have $800 to burn for a minimum order.

I did just find this, by Lobster, which tested even better:


https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/105702-Lobster_Vanilla_150_IU_QG6CPTX7RTQL

So I guess I will get Lobster from a cheap reseller, if I continue to use HGH instead of tesa. Lobster also seems to have no dimer, usually.

Lobster's minimum order is $800 now, just like Uther. Crazy with a capital C.
 
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Has anyone tried HGH from ERP? It says "high quality."
I think I'll order a 6-month supply at 2 IU daily if the vial doesn't degrade. This forum is very helpful. Thank you very much.
 
Calm Logic said:
By the way, does anyone know of a vendor or group that does endotoxin testing on HGH? Uther's endo results looked very good:


But I don't have $800 to burn for a minimum order.

I did just find this, by Lobster, which tested even better:


https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/105702-Lobster_Vanilla_150_IU_QG6CPTX7RTQL

So I guess I will get Lobster from a cheap reseller, if I continue to use HGH instead of tesa. Lobster also seems to have no dimer, usually.

Lobster's minimum order is $800 now, just like Uther. Crazy with a capital C.
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kits4less.com has 0 dimmer or very low dimmer HGH, all batches have COAs. Its not as cheap as from China but not too bad either. There is $450 min order , last time I checked.
 
I store all my hgh in fridge. Started at 2iu, titrated up to 4, been at 6iu in a bulk. It’s been a fun, yet wild ride. Haven’t had to worry about degrading as of yet as I’m usually done with a vial in 6/7 days. No sides until 6iu in bulk. Water retention, with little cts the first couple weeks. Been coasting since. Took a break from Reta as I wasn’t wanting to cut any longer although it helped tremendously keeping bg/fbg damn near hypo. Been off it for 5 weeks and bg is creeping up which was expected, but still not even in 90’s. High 70’s to mid 80’s most evenings and mornings. I’ve got 24iu kits up to 100iu kits. Also I filter as well.

Baseline igf/z : 145/0
Current : 292/1.7
 
MrBMG said:
I store all my hgh in fridge. Started at 2iu, titrated up to 4, been at 6iu in a bulk. It’s been a fun, yet wild ride. Haven’t had to worry about degrading as of yet as I’m usually done with a vial in 6/7 days. No sides until 6iu in bulk. Water retention, with little cts the first couple weeks. Been coasting since. Took a break from Reta as I wasn’t wanting to cut any longer although it helped tremendously keeping bg/fbg damn near hypo. Been off it for 5 weeks and bg is creeping up which was expected, but still not even in 90’s. High 70’s to mid 80’s most evenings and mornings. I’ve got 24iu kits up to 100iu kits. Also I filter as well.

Baseline igf/z : 145/0
Current : 292/1.7
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what Reta dose were you on? Do you split dose H half am half pm?
 
sfkid said:
what Reta dose were you on? Do you split dose H half am half pm?
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When I started 2mg 2x/wk (2mg M/2mg F). up to 4mg 2x/wk for a totally of 8mg. Weight was flying off. Weightloss turned into a recomp, which turned into a cut lol. From 255-207.

I’ve always bolus dosed pm. When trying to cut, 2 hours after last meal before bed.. Here as of late there’s times an hour after I’ve eaten I’ll check bg and if under 100 I’ll go ahead and pin. In a deficit it’s hard getting that igf up but it’s great for fat lipolysis. In a surplus I’ve had great results. All around for recovery, hair, skin, and nails it’s badass. Currently sitting at a solid 235. Was trying to get up close to 245-250 before 2 more weeks but I don’t see that happening. In a deficit I was running 2000 cals. Since 1/12/26 I’ve been at 3500 calories.
 
MrBMG said:
When I started 2mg 2x/wk (2mg M/2mg F). up to 4mg 2x/wk for a totally of 8mg. Weight was flying off. Weightloss turned into a recomp, which turned into a cut lol. From 255-207.

I’ve always bolus dosed pm. When trying to cut, 2 hours after last meal before bed.. Here as of late there’s times an hour after I’ve eaten I’ll check bg and if under 100 I’ll go ahead and pin. In a deficit it’s hard getting that igf up but it’s great for fat lipolysis. In a surplus I’ve had great results. All around for recovery, hair, skin, and nails it’s badass. Currently sitting at a solid 235. Was trying to get up close to 245-250 before 2 more weeks but I don’t see that happening. In a deficit I was running 2000 cals. Since 1/12/26 I’ve been at 3500 calories.
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Amazing..
Just did my igf and fasting glucose before start my HGH cycle this week.

Baseline/z: 188/.7
Fasting Insulin: 7

Im on Reta 6MG per week which is effing amazing for insulin. Miracle drug...

I started this week on 2iu (1iu am fasted, 1iu pm fasted)... Already want to move up to 4iu 😛. But will wait 8 weeks to get another IGF test before pushing it.
My IGF base line is already above normal for my age so I have take it slow and test.
 
For a relatively high 4 iu dose, it seems safer to split into morning and bedtime:

Meso said:
I got pre natty IGF-1 tested about 6 months ago and it came in at 200. I've since been using 4IU daily HGH(1.5IU upon waking before fasted cardio and 2.5IU before bed) for the last 2 months and my IGF-1 came in at 384(Last HGH dose was 11 hours before bloods were taken).
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Calm Logic said:
Above is correct, per the guys at Meso.

For reconned HGH, about 9 percent degradation after 10 days (which is still surprising compared to GLPs), but only 14 percent degradation after 30 days:



For HGH powder, fridge is usually preferred at Meso (by my favorite posters anyway), unless storing for more than one year or so.
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Ok that is interesting, i bought a kit of 36IU HGH and put 9 straight into the freezer, vacuum sealed.
It's not going to take me a year to get through them, is it better for less degradation to use the fridge in future?
 
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