Low Testosterone, but Dr. says im in a normal range?

I am interested in ostarine, there was an interesting study on it combined with semiglutide at very low doses, showing very little muscle loss with doses of 3mg. I have not found a place yet with pills that has it in stock. At that dose it works out to be ridiculously cheap , but getting 3mg out of 25mg pills is going to be a pain. Do you mind answering what dose you are using?
The first 2 weeks 12.5mg per day. Week 3 I went to 25 mg per day. 12.5 was enough to significantly lower SHBG and triple my freeT levels. The capsules are 12.5 mg. I get it from Umbrella Labs. I also get my Enclo from them.
 
it all depends on how your insurance handles it(what they pay for and what they don't)
That's what I said. She will let me know if insurance will cover it or if I have to pay out of pocket, but the decision is mine.
 
I have been doing 12.5 mg enclomiphene for 3 months now and have had great results. What you need to be aware of is that it can raise estrogen, shbg and tank your IGF-1 levels. When I started, my total T went from my baseline of 600 to north of 1200. While lifting like a madman gains were minimal till I added tessa/ipa which brought my IGF-1 up to slightly more than my baseline. To lower estrogen I took a tiny amount of anastrozole every other day. I felt great and had good gains at the gym. Me wanting even more gains started a cycle of osterine. Holy crap what a game changer. Two weeks into the ostarine cycle my total T was back down to 600 but my shbg went from super high to very low causing my free T to tripple!! I am almost finished with the 8 week Osterine cycle and my gains are way beyond what I expected. I am approached almost daily from people asking what I'm doing to look like this at my age. People think it is full blown AAS.
Owe yeah, you can see the post you linked my Estradiol was 161 at it's highest. It took a year to get it back down to normal. I've been doing 2x a week after surgery, then 1x a week. I'm on CJC/Ipamorelin 100mcg each & IGF-1 LR3 20mcg 5on/2off, which I have you to thank for the advice on that 🙂 I literally did nothing (Dr,s orders) for 11 days after this shoulder surgery, got some cabin fever. Just started PT and had my post-op yesterday, I'm in a sling for 8 weeks. I'm not going crazy (yet), but I plan on running a full panel in 6-8 weeks make sure nothing is too weird after all these peps and supplements.

Damn you're light years ahead of me bro, I wanna mow the lawn, walk the dog and get to retirement and still be upright.
 
Since youre a nut job and were buddies ill share my domestic oils guy.... Primalpharma.org ..... tiktoks on him so i dont consider it a security breech....
Primal pharma doesn't have great feedback on meso, I personally passed on their product because of that. @Airborne Daddy I actually, see you commenting on a thread about primal pharma quality, not throwing shade at you, Just curious why you still recommend them after reading those reviews? Do you have the vials you purchased tested through Jano? From what I gather their product is underdosed. Correct me if I'm wrong
 
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Owe yeah, you can see the post you linked my Estradiol was 161 at it's highest. It took a year to get it back down to normal. I've been doing 2x a week after surgery, then 1x a week. I'm on CJC/Ipamorelin 100mcg each & IGF-1 LR3 20mcg 5on/2off, which I have you to thank for the advice on that 🙂 I literally did nothing (Dr,s orders) for 11 days after this shoulder surgery, got some cabin fever. Just started PT and had my post-op yesterday, I'm in a sling for 8 weeks. I'm not going crazy (yet), but I plan on running a full panel in 6-8 weeks make sure nothing is too weird after all these peps and supplements.

Damn you're light years ahead of me bro, I wanna mow the lawn, walk the dog and get to retirement and still be upright.
Good luck with your recovery!! The growth hormone secretologes should help.
 
Good luck with your recovery!! The growth hormone secretologes should help.
Thank you, I literally gotta do this again next year. If this goes well, I'll repeat for the other shoulder and hopefully get this elbow and wrist fixed to. I hope to get back to work early, as a 60% paycheck Sux. At least I'm not driving anywhere right now, ha!
 
Primal pharma doesn't have great feedback on meso, I personally passed on their product because of that. @Airborne Daddy I actually, see you commenting on a thread about primal pharma quality, not throwing shade at you, Just curious why you still recommend them after reading those reviews? Do you have the vials you purchased tested through Jano? From what I gather their product is underdosed. Correct me if I'm wrong
He has haters cuz he sold chinese primo as his own.... its not unusual for 3 of us to send in a vial of test cyp 200 and get back a 204, 195 and 188 its all within 10% variation which includes typical 2 or 3% lab variation which is acceptable and inline with other domestic sources.
He had high dosed tren 400 that may have picked up plastic contamination during brewing. He compensated and made upgrades to his lab continuously. Newbies jammed a needle in their quad and got welts and red lumps. They were refunded. Quads are super sensitive and i wont go there but that can happen to anyone whos technique isnt perfect.
He tests and posts all his raws and finished products and will reimburse or give you credit to test yourself. Every vendor in the history of meso has issues, lovers and haters. I use him cuz ive had no issues through 3 different batches and it works for me. Thought about tossing some when a few folks had issues with mct oil but opened a vial and it was fine with me. Remember if 6 people have an issue, 2 or 300 dont.... Lastly, i shared a source with an acquaintence of mine because hes looking and i use the source. My post wasnt a promo for everyone. I get nothing and dont need to with his prices when i use less than 300 dollars worth a year.
So yes i hit a point with all the drama and became skeptical and left the thread. Im comfortable with the guy, had no issues last year, am currently using at trt dose and will be using the mast, tren and test i have on hand for summer. Theres lots of good reviews not including guys that are happy but refrain from posting on a steroid forum. To me its a handful of non fans cuz he was caught in lies.... some dont care as we dont have expectations from a drug dealer. Even Stanford had issues and hes been there years and years... now with a hefty minimum order.
 
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He has haters cuz he sold chinese primo as his own.... its not unusual for 3 of us to send in a vial of test cyp 200 and get back a 204, 195 and 188 its all within 10% variation which includes typical 2 or 3% lab variation which is acceptable and inline with other domestic sources.
He had high dosed tren 400 that may have picked up plastic contamination during brewing. He compensated and made upgrades to his lab continuously. Newbies jammed a needle in their quad and got welts and red lumps. They were refunded. Quads are super sensitive and i wont go there but that can happen to anyone whos technique isnt perfect.
He tests and posts all his raws and finished products and will reimburse or give you credit to test yourself. Every vendor in the history of meso has issues, lovers and haters. I use him cuz ive had no issues through 3 different batches and it works for me. Thought about tossing some when a few folks had issues with mct oil but opened a vial and it was fine with me. Remember if 6 people have an issue, 2 or 300 dont.... Lastly, i shared a source with an acquaintence of mine because hes looking and i use the source. My post wasnt a promo for everyone. I get nothing and dont need to with his prices when i use less than 300 dollars worth a year.
So yes i hit a point with all the drama and became skeptical and left the thread. Im comfortable with the guy, had no issues last year, am currently using at trt dose and will be using the mast, tren and test i have on hand for summer. Theres lots of good reviews not including guys that are happy but refrain from posting on a steroid forum. To me its a handful of non fans cuz he was caught in lies.... some dont care as we dont have expectations from a drug dealer. Even Stanford had issues and hes been there years and years... now with a hefty minimum order.
I appreciate you responding. I only read through a couple pages of that thread. Good information. Perhaps I will give his product a try. My last order was from Sha off of the SST forum. I got enough tests to last me over a year. But have been interested in NPP and primo
 
Primal pharma doesn't have great feedback on meso, I personally passed on their product because of that. @Airborne Daddy I actually, see you commenting on a thread about primal pharma quality, not throwing shade at you, Just curious why you still recommend them after reading those reviews? Do you have the vials you purchased tested through Jano? From what I gather their product is underdosed. Correct me if I'm wrong

Primal is mostly fine. Underdosed is not something you see from them very often. Recently a vial of EQ, but all the EQ since has tested fine. Most of the hate comes from the CN Primo they sold as Domestic and lied about it until they were caught. Super easy to deal with. Super fast shipping. If you are only going to be using them for TRT the Test, E, C, and P is all on point.

You'll notice the loudest voices over there almost never comment on the 98% of good testing they have. 2% is not too bad in the UGL game in my opinion and the dude will always make it right if something is messed up. My second order with them the tracking didn't move for 7 days and all I did was ask about it (not bitching or trying to get anything out of them) and he immediately reshipped the order and told me if the other shows up, no biggie. They both showed up a couple days later.
 
We have a Testosterone thread going, but this one is personal, plus since im on probation i can only post like once per hour so its really gotta count! 😃

Dammit!!! All my brain fog, feeling tired all the time, pushing through with low energy and libido. I thought it was just cause i was fat. And today officially 101.5 pounds down and still feel all that.

I eat whole foods and protiens, stay away from unnatural sugars for the most part, work oit with stretching and weights for an hour or 2, 5 days a week. Oh and 7 to 12k steps daily by 330pm weekdays.

My muscles are hard as blocks of wood, but not growing, im yawning while trying to.lead these exercise classes, want a nap.by noon, im only 51yo? Was starting to think this was normal?

After getting back spectacular bloodwork where i went from prediabetic to not anymore, triglycerides that were off the charts to normal levels i became concerned that my energy and libido are still in the dirt, and asked for a testosterone test specifically. Came back really really low, explains SO MUCH. but then get a note from my dr saying i am in normal ranges?

Excuse me? Ive been hanging out on r/testosterone lately and no, im not in normal ranges and yes, over 50 with that low of test affects most dudes lives.

Im at a loss. Need to source a clinic or another source for test c. Ill continue getting bloodwork done, but at this point it looks like my dr. is not going to help me.

Its not like im sourcing gear to join bodybuilding competitions, im just trying to live a full life!!!

And, from everything ive read, test in my situation can be life changing, as long as I monitor it carefully.

* oh and mods, if you take me off of probation i swear on my last chances here i wont talk any further smack about any vendors no matter how i feel about them. Have learned my lesson. Also i just spent another big wad of cash at ERP even though all of thier coa's seem to be sourced from the times of ancient history... Can i say that?!?!?

Anyway, im a contributing member and i can be mostly good, ty dear for your kind consideration.
Yo. The before and after pic's are amazing. Or are the pictures reversed? lol.. And Im trying to send you a DM but the system will not let me. so ill make it public for all to see.

Not sure if you were stacking Reta and Tirz but check out this video. I know this guy is a bit over the top for sure but he has some interesting information to look in to and maybe double check the facts.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEbu7E8QB_Y&t=971s
 
Yo. The before and after pic's are amazing. Or are the pictures reversed? lol.. And Im trying to send you a DM but the system will not let me. so ill make it public for all to see.

Not sure if you were stacking Reta and Tirz but check out this video. I know this guy is a bit over the top for sure but he has some interesting information to look in to and maybe double check the facts.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEbu7E8QB_Y&t=971s
Over the top? They don't call him Quackmeyer for nothing. He has a shady past. He's even had his license suspended. Banned from the Crossfit Games for 5 years for cheating. Makes sense since he cheated so many people out of their money.
 
Over the top? They don't call him Quackmeyer for nothing. He has a shady past. He's even had his license suspended. Banned from the Crossfit Games for 5 years for cheating. Makes sense since he cheated so many people out of their money.
Yeah he does sound crazy but interesting information to check out. He could be 100% wrong but these claims would be worth double checking on.
 
Give him $25,000 he will fix all your problems
I know this guy is out there, LOL !!! But interesting thought on mitochondrial overload, lack of “rest and repair” time, excessive signaling, and potential long-term damage, theoretical based ... yes. I tend to dig / research threw the the weeds a bit.
 

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It's wild. I KNOW that guy is a quack, and my least favorite sound is men in baseball caps and beards yelling emphatically into a microphone, so there's zero chance I will ever hear more than the 0.5 seconds of him talking that it took me to hit pause and go to the transcript. I read most of it. And again, even though I know that dude is a quack, I am suddenly certain that my tiny (1.6 mg at the most) stack of Survo and my current (3.3 mg) stack of reta against my tirz (was at 8.8, but was planning to drop to 5.5 tomorrow and keep dropping the tirz as I upped the reta) has irreperably destroyed my pancreas and liver and I am now cursed to forever be fat.
 
Without even bothering to watch the video , as for some reason the doctor in his title does not overcome the beefcake with a baseball cap look in terms of looking like a credible source of expert pharmaceutical knowledge. And yes I am judging by appearances. Reta and tirz combined is almost identical to a slightly higher dose of one or the other, the more reta the more glucagon agonism , the more tirz the more GIP agonism. I guess you have about twice the chance of an unpleasant allergic reaction causing a rash, taking both instead of one, but it is pretty hard to see any obvious disadvantages otherwise assuming the source is grey and cheap. A bit more complicated and slightly higher chances of dosing errors, but by that stage most people will have worked that stuff out. And by using both you can sometimes achieve a better balance of weight control/hunger suppression versus side effects. My logic of adding some reta to 15mg of tirz was I had almost no side effects from the tirz so I did not want to risk swapping over to it and wanted more weight reduction/hunger control, seems to be working.
 
Wow! That was painful to watch!! It seems he is saying stacking tirz and Reta as well as high dose Reta causes problems. Blood tests would pick up evidence of many of the problems he speaks of. AST, ALT liver enzymes, cortisol, and even some mitochondria blood tests would quickly tell if that is happening.
 
I am interested in ostarine, there was an interesting study on it combined with semiglutide at very low doses, showing very little muscle loss with doses of 3mg. I have not found a place yet with pills that has it in stock. At that dose it works out to be ridiculously cheap , but getting 3mg out of 25mg pills is going to be a pain. Do you mind answering what dose you are using?
Yep!
“Ostarine” has been floating around for years, MK-2866 on random research sites, treated like some underground discovery… when in reality it’s the same compound later formalized as (renamed) Enobosarm (GTx-024), which already went through legit clinical trials and came up short on FDA endpoints?

Now Veru dusts it off (again) and says:
“What if we use it to preserve muscle during GLP-1 weight loss and sell for $$$$"

And suddenly it’s not “research chem SARM” anymore but a potential prescription drug with a defined indication and an insurance billing pathway.

One lives in the gray market… the other goes through the FDA, IP strategy, and clinical endpoints.

https://ir.verupharma.com/news-even...s-positive-topline-data-from-phase-2b-quality
 

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