Yep, you got it - the Holy Trinity: reta, hgh and test. If you can’t commit to hgh, you can throw money at secretagogues - ipa, tesa, etc.
If you're going to use the secretagagues CJC/Tessa/Ipa/Serm, you should get your IGF1 tested before/during/after so you know what you're doing (it's almost impossible to test GH directly & accurately). Note that you WILL gain water weight, and you WILL be more hungry so you might get body recomp, but have to raise your GLP1 a lot to keep losing any weight. You'll also probably sleep better and recover faster so it's all trade offs and what you're trying to accomplish. They can boost your levels to high normal without causing your body to down regulate. If you're young, going on TRT is a life choice that will likely affect production for a year or more. At least your endogenous GH will recover relatively quickly (a week), if you stop directly supplimenting it.
Forgive my lack of knowledge in this area, I know test can affect natural levels when you cycle off, with secretagogues is this different? They just stimulate the hormone when you are on cycle to increase muscle growth and when you are off you don't really suffer a "pull back"? Or am I wrong
Lessthanhalf wrote a brilliant response. Hgh and testosterone therapies are heavily dependent on personal goals and especially age. If you’re less than 50-ish and not clinically diagnosed with low levels, think very deliberately before embarking on a course of therapy. Recommended dosages for the non-Meso community are low - 1 iu for women, 2 iu for men. Don’t expect to see dramatic results - this is a marathon, not a sprint. I’ve been counseled that it will take a minimum of six months to really see body recomp, assuming you’re engaging in strength training. The good news about hgh is that when you stop adding exogenously, your pituitary gland will kick back in within about a week and you’ll produce your own again.
Thank you for the detailed response, I'm gathering, correct me if I'm wrong, that for muscle growth alone it is likely not worth it - you can see for reta for example it is well worth it for weight loss ( as I've experienced myself) but CJC ipamorelin from these responses doesn't seem to give that big benefit (unless I'm wrong)
A big calorie surplus makes it easy to gain muscles, yes. But you can still gain on a calorie deficit. It's harder, but still very much possible. Especially on a lower dose of Reta.
Throw money away*
Bro i thought this was common knowledge.. increased calorie consumption doesn’t affect hypertrophy
How is this throwing money away? You will littlery build muscle using these if you're working out
What the poster is asserting is that you can spend big money on hgh secretagogues that may have little, if any, effect OR you can spend a lot less and just take hgh.
Sleep - curious to when you take your HGH dose and what is your dose? I read both morning and before bed. And don’t take fasted or not. Conflicting info on the net so I would be interested in your experience based on your sleep being great. Thank you.
As I understand it there's no evidence it causes cancer, but if something's already there it could theoretically help it along, which is why baseline screening and IGF-1 monitoring matter more than avoidance. The research that puts most people off is referring to bodybuilding-range use. At low physiological doses (1-2 IU/day) you're largely just restoring levels you had fifteen years ago, not doing anything your body doesn't already do naturally during sleep and exercise.
Some cancer researchers even worry about dairy raising IGF-1. So to them, any unprescribed GH peptide use would be crazy. The safest/mildest GH peptide seems to be serm:
Gemini said:
Thought so too, seems the GH peps also not worth the risks
Some hcg if they want to keep everything downstairs working too.
