Grey market TRT?
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Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
It's a thing. But it often devolves into steroid abuse.
Cost of Rx testosterone is similar to grey or at least not as far off as with Rx GLPs:
Cost of Rx testosterone is similar to grey or at least not as far off as with Rx GLPs:
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Mr. Blonde
GLP-1 Enthusiast
It's a thing. It ascends into a steroid partnership 💪
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
It's an open question how the Meso bros with money to burn on 20 supplements/ancillaries, injecting Repatha, and getting more bloodwork than the sick and elderly will fare in mitigating the damage to their cardiovascular system, prostate, liver, kidneys, testicles, insulin sensitivity, etc. Even without steroid use, polypharmacy for several decades can be a health risk.
OldManStrength
GLP-1 Apprentice
It’s definitely an option, especially for people that don’t have insurance for whatever reason. It can be done properly, but like anything you do on your own, education is the first step. In today’s day and age the available educational information and access to peer review studies is unbelievable!
Next requires health screening(s), which can all be done on your own through independent laboratories as well as out-of-pocket medical evaluation of your test results. Some tests are very expensive. Next much like peptides, is sourcing your compound(s), this should also be accompanied by source product testing and your own independent testing. Their ways to frequently. monitor your blood work through subscriptions, and there are hosts of credentialed professionals who consult for a fee.
As soon as I get my body composition and some health factors in check, I will be ready to start my own TRT. Years ago, I was involved in and surrounded by competitive bodybuilders, so I have a very strong educational background on PEDs, as well as the discipline to not overdo it because I have lost several friends who abuse substances over the last few decades!
Next requires health screening(s), which can all be done on your own through independent laboratories as well as out-of-pocket medical evaluation of your test results. Some tests are very expensive. Next much like peptides, is sourcing your compound(s), this should also be accompanied by source product testing and your own independent testing. Their ways to frequently. monitor your blood work through subscriptions, and there are hosts of credentialed professionals who consult for a fee.
As soon as I get my body composition and some health factors in check, I will be ready to start my own TRT. Years ago, I was involved in and surrounded by competitive bodybuilders, so I have a very strong educational background on PEDs, as well as the discipline to not overdo it because I have lost several friends who abuse substances over the last few decades!
Kalius
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At least in the United States testosterone is a controlled substance, so it would be black market, not grey market. That being said, it’s fairly easy to get, and usually people aren’t really targeted for buying personal medications, it’s the people buying enough quantity to sell that get scrutinized to my understanding. It’s much easier to go to an online clinic so you have a script. Some clinics are way cheaper than others.
sfkid
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yeah but they are not doing trt 😁. Those guys are chasing God status which most will never achieve to do genetics.
BNLFL
GLP-1 Specialist
I'll bet money if I ever make an appointment with a urologist they'll put me on this. My kid wants me to start doing it, but I'll wait for the doc and a script. I think it's injections or a cream. I think I can handle blasting myself.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Yeah, some of the insanity is Dr. Phil material:
The younger guys are usually less able/willing to afford the (half-ass) harm-reduction measures.
The real hypocrisy is when the 40-somethings at Meso tell the 20-somethings that it's too dangerous. A gram of steroids a week is not safe at any age or even relatively safe.
The bro science is what enables guys on DIY TRT to be willing to subject themselves to other steroids as well. It's all on the same pricelist, so it's normalized. The biggest danger of DIY TRT is the slippery slope.
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sfkid
GLP-1 Enthusiast
If you are curious just spend 100 bucks and get your own blood hormone panel done. Then you can now if you want to go further.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Even the docs who refuse to do TRT will usually give in to a request for checking testosterone and other hormone levels, especially if there are complaints of symptoms like low libido, fatigue, etc. (A complaint of mild ED or performance anxiety is also good for getting Cialis 5 mg daily, which also seems good for the vascular system by raising nitric oxide.)
Not that anyone is usually interested, but HCG monotherapy is an alternative to testosterone for TRT:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
View: https://youtu.be/EhP5RvXBi7s?si=Fdbcpe0JHyk2z2gY
Not that anyone is usually interested, but HCG monotherapy is an alternative to testosterone for TRT:
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL - PMC
The 2018 American Urological Association guidelines on the Evaluation and Management of Testosterone Deficiency recommended that 300 ng/dL be used as the threshold for prescribing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). However, it is not uncommon ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Mr. Blonde
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Steroidwiki.com
Good resource. Has sources ranked.
Good resource. Has sources ranked.
Kalius
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I’m not saying there aren’t guys out there cruising/ blasting responsibly, because there are, but most are very uneducated or so driven that they push far past calculated risk.
I am on trt with a 150mg/week script, but I only do 120mg/week because 150mg gets me a little emotionally reactive, nothing major, but even a hint of that and I am looking for solutions. I don’t like AIs because I had an estradiol crash once on a low dose and I’ll never do that again. My test was 197 when I started treatment and now it ranges from 700-800 which is fine with me. It helped brain fog, fatigue and attention issues. I do lift, but the trt isn’t for that.
Being on testosterone though does make pushing further tempting, but I’ll never do it, but I can see it being a gateway to more serious doses and problematic steroid use. I am 20 years in 12 step recovery so I stay inside my boundaries.
I get worried about the younger guys though because most are jumping into it before their central nervous system is finished being developed, taking HGH before their growth plates are finished, etc.
fatdude
GLP-1 Apprentice
Cost of rx is 20-30x more. I paid $200 for 20 vials of test c 250 which is literally years and years worth, thats less than 1 months at a clinic.
Colorado121
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Where do you get it that cheap?
Haven’t seen kits that cheap in over a year. Dm me you source if you don’t mind.
fatdude
GLP-1 Apprentice
It was SSA who are now gone, but it can still be found for way cheaper than a clinic.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
In my state, a Class 4 felony for simple possession of a $10 a vial from the late SSA vs. legal test-c from Walgreens for $50-something. If a person really needs TRT, even some PCPs will prescribe it. Keyword is need.
Mr. Blonde
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Like I always say..."I need it because I want it" !
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Another vote for HCG monotherapy:
In any case, HCG is not a lifetime commitment (which, rightly or wrongly, is what TRT with testosterone is often said to be). HCG is not a controlled substance and produces less ISRs (a source of inflammation).
In any case, HCG is not a lifetime commitment (which, rightly or wrongly, is what TRT with testosterone is often said to be). HCG is not a controlled substance and produces less ISRs (a source of inflammation).
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True but I’m spoiled by the good ole days of $100 kits and cheap Primo.
BNLFL
GLP-1 Specialist
My son said he could get it for me. I'll wait. The urologist I'll see is recommended by the county FD medial director and is a friend of my kid who's in the FD. All them FD boys juice.
If you are a male you will have a much easier time getting TRT than a female.Even the docs who refuse to do TRT will usually give in to a request for checking testosterone and other hormone levels, especially if there are complaints of symptoms like low libido, fatigue, etc. (A complaint of mild ED or performance anxiety is also good for getting Cialis 5 mg daily, which also seems good for the vascular system by raising nitric oxide.)
Not that anyone is usually interested, but HCG monotherapy is an alternative to testosterone for TRT:
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL - PMC
The 2018 American Urological Association guidelines on the Evaluation and Management of Testosterone Deficiency recommended that 300 ng/dL be used as the threshold for prescribing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). However, it is not uncommon ...
View: https://youtu.be/EhP5RvXBi7s?si=Fdbcpe0JHyk2z2gY
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I have joked that it helps to at least ask a doc for a Rx and frame any low T results. So in the extremely rare case there is a legal issue, you can tell the judge you tried legally.
My wife is on HRT and we have better insurance than most. They only pay for the E. She can go once a month and pay out of pocket for a shot of T. But I always have left over from my script so she uses mine. Her doctor is aware and said great idea lol
If they are at least open to giving her a shot of T they can give a script for it to go thru insurance. If that doesn't work then they can write a script to a compound pharmacy.
Nattybynature
GLP-1 Apprentice
Well I am from Canada where our healthcare system takes the come back when you’re dying approach. I am on grey market trt. But I also blast and cruise. I am done having kids and the never ending cycle of taking pct drugs and losing all your gains seemed stupid. I just run 12-14 week blasts of usually test plus another compound maybe some anavar for the first 4 weeks, and the. Drop back to a cruise dose. It’s been working well. But our healthcare system is terrible and I can’t even get bloodwork where I live unless I go beg a doctor who probably won’t do what I ask.
I do hope in a few years when I’m closer to 40 to go to a more progressive clinic in bc who is concerned with optimized health but it will be costly to start and they won’t accept me until I am of a certain age.
I do hope in a few years when I’m closer to 40 to go to a more progressive clinic in bc who is concerned with optimized health but it will be costly to start and they won’t accept me until I am of a certain age.
GTS97
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I do my own TRT. There are other forums, similar to this one, that discuss such substances.
FartfulCodger
GLP-1 Enthusiast
From what I've read, it's safer to go the secretagogue route, i.e., substances that tell your body to create more of its own testosterone, rather than depending on the artificial kind. There are peptides like hCG, as others have mentioned, and meds like enclomiphene, which is available from reputable US vendors.
Secretagogues are more grey than black, and the risk of damaging your health with them is smaller.
Secretagogues are more grey than black, and the risk of damaging your health with them is smaller.
