Mr. Blonde
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Anabolic androgen steroids...steroids for short...or gear. Hulk juice, muscle medicine ...there are lots of names.
I learned that you shouldn't do this with retatrutide.
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CharlieBrown
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I agree, "It's absolutely batshit to me that you folks can't do simple google searches".
So I suggest you do a proper Google search yourself before giving half of your 2 cents worth !
And keep your opinion civilized; there is no need for profanity from such an educated person such as yourself. You'll just end up getting yourself banned.
Dr W. M. Visser, former Minister of Health and Sports (2009-2013), has dedicated his career to tackling childhood obesity through clinical research, academic pursuits, and policy initiatives. His work has been instrumental in examining the biological, sociological, and psychological dimensions of obesity, contributing significantly to understanding and addressing the complexities of this global health challenge.
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[td]Appointed Head of the Obesity Task Force for the Aruba and Netherlands Antilles region and will be presenting at the ECO2008 www.eco2008.org, a congress hosted by the International Association for the Study of Obesity, Geneva, Switzerland[/td]Honors & Awards
[/td]Education
St. Michael's Univ.B.S. & Business Administration,
1988
Univ. of Colorado
Pre-Med
1989
St. Palmer College of Chiropractic-West
D.C.
1993
Medical Sciences, Univ. of Medicine, Havana
Ph.D.
2007
Looks to me like he's more than just a chiropractor !
Dr Jones, DC (The DC stands for chiropractor)
And again, he is more that.......
Dr. Dean Jones DC is a distinguished holistic obesity expert specializing in a comprehensive and integrated approach to addressing the intricate factors contributing to weight-related issues. With expertise in applying advanced peptides, including GLP-1 weight loss peptides such as semaglutide and tirzepatide
xbigshot123
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It's not always a chiropractor
but it's always a chiropractor...
Easy guide for everyone (from someone with multiple degrees in nutrition and physiology)
1. Eat 0.7 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, adjust as you lose weight.
2. Just after protein, the second nutrient you should be hyper-focused on: fiber (25-50 grams for women/men)
3. Lift heavy things 3-4 days per week. Focus on progressive overload via weight and/or reps, and don't waste your time doing more than 5-6 working sets per week/per muscle. This will help you maintain muscle mass while losing weight and will be rocket fuel for gains when you eventually return to maintenance calories...also: NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO BULK (EAT IN A CALORIC SURPLUS) TO GAIN MUSCLE!
Do the above 3 things consistently for a few years and you will be in better shape than pretty much anyone you know.
xbigshot123
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From someone that spent a lot of time in academia, Visser completed a "Ph.D." from a university in Cuba, and somehow has no record of any published thesis or dissertation
You don't get a doctorate without that being true...he can say he has a Ph.D. from anywhere, but it doesn't make it true
And on "Dr" Dean Jones... "distinguished holistic obesity expert" is wellness grifter language to lend credibility via a title that does not have any meaning
He also calls himself a "Functional medicine doctor" and if you've ever been to one of their conferences (I have) you know that means absolutely nothing to call yourself a functional medicine doctor. The IFM is another wellness grift that charges anyone willing to pay $10-$15k for a "curriculum" so they can call themselves a functional medicine doctor (no other education required to get this title)
The wellness grifter scene is VAST and exploded post-covid. Listen to actual professionals (like myself) that have nothing to sell you but knowledge that we gained via research and clinical practice (which we gladly offer for free)
Pin&Play
GLP-1 Apprentice
You will inevitably lose muscles if you lose a good amount of weight.
You will also build some muscles if you gain a lot of weight, even without training.
And you will inevitably gain fat if you gain a ton of weight, even on the cleanest bulk.
That's just how the body works.
Another thing to consider is fat loss and muscle gain follow two separate pathways.
So yes, they can happen at the same time. But often one is masked by the other (so if you lose 50lbs, your muscle mass tends to go down).
If you do strength training with progressive overload and eat protein, you can build muscle while losing weight, even in a deficit, especially taking advantage of your newbie gains.
Then, the problem is that building muscle is a much slower progress than losing fat (assuming you're natural), so the body recomposition is rarely in "real time" so to speak
You will also build some muscles if you gain a lot of weight, even without training.
And you will inevitably gain fat if you gain a ton of weight, even on the cleanest bulk.
That's just how the body works.
Another thing to consider is fat loss and muscle gain follow two separate pathways.
So yes, they can happen at the same time. But often one is masked by the other (so if you lose 50lbs, your muscle mass tends to go down).
If you do strength training with progressive overload and eat protein, you can build muscle while losing weight, even in a deficit, especially taking advantage of your newbie gains.
Then, the problem is that building muscle is a much slower progress than losing fat (assuming you're natural), so the body recomposition is rarely in "real time" so to speak
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
My, what a passionate thread.
You're right, but I think there are several points where what you're saying might not hold true, or where there might be slight muscle loss.
"You will inevitably lose muscle." It's not inevitable. There's considerable evidence that with (a) a moderate calorie deficit (~500 kcal/day, not aggressive), (b) high protein intake (1.6-2.2 g/kg of body weight), and (c) progressive overload strength training, you can maintain virtually all your muscle mass, and even gain it in favorable profiles. Studies like those by Longland et al. (2016) and Helms et al. showed maintenance and even gains of lean mass in a calorie deficit.
"If you lose 23 kg, your muscle mass decreases." It depends a lot on your starting point. Someone with obesity who loses 23 kg with a good plan might lose very little muscle proportionally. The statement sounds categorical, but the reality is a spectrum.
"Gaining muscle is much slower than losing fat." True in absolute terms of weight, but misleading if you only look at the scale. You can gain 2 kg of muscle and lose 5 kg of fat in a few months, and the scale only shows a 3 kg drop, but your body composition changes dramatically. "Real time" does exist; it's just that the scale is a poor instrument for measuring it.
"You'll inevitably gain fat when you gain a lot of weight, even with lean bulking." The key here is the speed of the calorie surplus. A lean bulk with a 200-300 kcal surplus can produce very favorable muscle-to-fat ratios (something like 60:40 or better for beginners). The forum user is right that some fat is always lost, but "a lot of weight" and "lean bulking" are almost incompatible by definition, so the statement is somewhat circular.
xbigshot123
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Data shows you don't even need a kcal surplus to produce equal amounts of protein synthesis.
As you gain muscle your BMR will naturally increase, which will necessitate an increase in caloric intake from baseline, but it can still be equal to TDEE for the purposes of building muscle
Agreed on all other points 🙂
Mi caso es un claro ejemplo: pasé del 26% a mi actual 14%, incluso mientras ganaba masa muscular magra. Estoy en terapia de reemplazo de testosterona (125 mg/semana) y he estado tomando 2 UI de hormona del crecimiento durante las últimas dos semanas, lo cual es bastante anticatabólico. Aquí hay una foto de mi último mes.
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CharlieBrown
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It's turning into quite the thread.....
I haven't heard Dr. Visser saying anything that is obscurely incorrect, regardless of his education.
He seems pretty level-headed.
Now DC Jones on the other hand I find is more about marketing and promoting his clinic.
Prescribing Reta (not FDA approved) because he says he has a good quality source as appose to someone buying from the grey market.
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xbigshot123
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I just spent 15 minutes skipping through a few of his videos
Yes, Visser DC absolutely says objectively incorrect things
I have a neighbor (also a chiropractor) that sounds intelligent and throws out a lot of scientific terms with other neighbors when trying to act like he is some health and wellness guru, but he learned many years ago to not have those conversations w/ me after he sat on the edge of the pool and gave a lecture to 5 guys and their wives one afternoon and it took me asking 2 or 3 questions, backed by plainly-worded explanations of what I was saying, to show all of the people listening to him that he was a grifter trying to sell them personal training and a wellness routine PDF on top of a MLM-scheme water purification company.
It fools the masses because they don't understand what he's saying, it sounds smart, and they wouldn't even know where to begin looking for the information that refutes what he is saying (nor would they even know they need to do this...because again, they don't understand what he's saying in the first place)
CharlieBrown
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Can I ask about your TRT. Was 125mg prescribed by a doctor. I was put on TRT a year ago and my endocrinologist only prescribed 50mg/wk. He said 100mg, which is the usual dosage would give me the testosterone level of a teenager and he didn't want that. We did blood work a month after and he said everything looks good.
So when I started Reta I doubled my dosage (without his knowledge)
And how is GH, I was considering it. Just not sure since I'm almost 65. I should just be happy with the results.
The pic on the left is from February and the one on the right is mid April.
I lost 15lbs of fat; the love handles are gone and a significant amount of fat from the front of the belly. And increase in lean muscle mass.
I don't think it would be possible without TRT.
And I'm still a work in progress. I workout everyday; strength training with progressive overload and every set is to failure. I go for a walk after lunch and dinner.
If I don't take care of myself......who will.
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I don't know how TRT works in Canada, friend. I started it in 2022 in Florida with 200 mg/week and was in the high range, a little above. When I moved back to Spain this year, they lowered my dose to 125 mg/week, and even then I'm in the medium-high range.
I think 125 mg is a good average for most men, although blood tests should be considered. 50 mg seems very low to me.
MTSpace
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I don’t think one size fits all. I have actually gained weight on my 6th week of Reta but I think it’s water weight due to more hydration and sodium/electrolyte intake. I have in the last 20 years alway strived for 1g of protein for every lbs of my target weight. My waist is down right now a whole inch yet I am up 8 lbs. my calories are in a 500 deficit that always worked before Reta. I am also getting older and my body has changed from when I was 35 to now 58. Not every cut, bulk, or cruise has same outcome as it used to. Not sure everyone here is going to have same outcome as someone else either.
I believe eating clean in a maintenance or cutting phase while staying active with cardio and resistance training are the best habits for my physical and mental health. I am using Reta as a tool, not a means.
Solid list you put together and I appreciate the sharing. 💪
I believe eating clean in a maintenance or cutting phase while staying active with cardio and resistance training are the best habits for my physical and mental health. I am using Reta as a tool, not a means.
Solid list you put together and I appreciate the sharing. 💪
CharlieBrown
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"I believe eating clean in a maintenance or cutting phase while staying active with cardio and resistance training are the best habits for my physical and mental health. I am using Reta as a tool, not a means."
I can't agree anymore !
Neptide
GLP-1 Apprentice
Same here. No kidney stones but I just forgot to drink water. Big mistake.
yerffejytnac
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Again (for the back of the classroom): he's not an actual doctor. Not arguing with morons; don't have the time, sorry.
Good luck on your journey 😂
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yerffejytnac
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Agreed. It's scary, man. That dude seems old enough to have some critical thinking skills, but stops short of taking advice from these YouTube wellness "doctors".
It's not always a chiropractor
but it's always a chiropractor...
Easy guide for everyone (from someone with multiple degrees in nutrition and physiology)
1. Eat 0.7 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, adjust as you lose weight.
2. Just after protein, the second nutrient you should be hyper-focused on: fiber (25-50 grams for women/men)
3. Lift heavy things 3-4 days per week. Focus on progressive overload via weight and/or reps, and don't waste your time doing more than 5-6 working sets per week/per muscle. This will help you maintain muscle mass while losing weight and will be rocket fuel for gains when you eventually return to maintenance calories...also: NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO BULK (EAT IN A CALORIC SURPLUS) TO GAIN MUSCLE!
Do the above 3 things consistently for a few years and you will be in better shape than pretty much anyone you know.
I try my best to just ignore these folks, but it's hard to keep my mouth shut when they regurgitate the bullshit "knowledge" they've learned from a TikTok video - because their stupidity could end up harming other individuals.
yerffejytnac
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Doing the lords work calling out these con artists. I salute your efforts, kind sir. 🫡
kobeanbry24
GLP-1 Apprentice
Is it absolutely necessary that I lift? I do kick boxing and a lot of bodyweight exercises in class pushup, sit up, squats
ronin365
GLP-1 Apprentice
I will add that while Reta may not have the same level of appetite suppression, I see this as a feature, not a bug. It leaves me with just enough appetite to make sure I am not under-eating. That said, there have been a few days when I missed breakfast and lunch and felt absolutely amazing fasted on Reta. Felt so good, I wish I didn't have to eat.
CharlieBrown
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The only person I'll ignore is YOU !
Keep your rude comments and opinions to yourself. We don't need them here.
We don't name call or shame people.
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