Thats it, I'm done with Klow

[DjJoshua]

Thanks a lot. Not there yet. Saw some cosmetic grade on Amazon, and AliExpress too. The worst thing is that one can't even trust Amazon anymore...so much low-quality merch from whoknowswhere. Not just meds though.
For face, I'm thinking more about using retinal, while being on KLOW. Patience is really hard, but if I use both subq and topical copper, I would never know which is really more helpful.

From my personal position I'm looking at it from a point of on hand resources. I have the ghk-cu and what do I do with it. I have seen and or herd of people getting like 5 lbs of the stuff you are looking for on AliExpress. but what ever you do let me know how it all works out 😛

 

[Raptorrunner]

I bought a kit and was about to try KLOW but this post is making me have second thoughts 😭

Only one way to find out...send it!

I get a very mild sting from KLOW but my wife noticed enough improvement in my skin (crepeyness greatly improved) that she is trying it.

 

[SolidChick]

Yeah, it was never a “sting” for me either. It HURT for a full 24 hours. But I swore never again….then waited a little over a month until the memory faded and was like, “well, maybe I’ll try it one more time but use the epi/lido this time.” MUCH better!

Hey how are you mixing the lido? In the syringe or in the vial? If so how much? Where can I get lido?

Sorry for the multiple questions. I’m determined to not let this blue bitch break me. I ain’t a p*ssy 🤣

 

[blackkaiser]

Try use half inch pin. 13mm. Less side effect when pinning

 

[john_askins]

Not looking for any advice to make it better. I've already read so much. Have tried several workarounds and whatever im going to get out of that is not worth feeling like literally being stabbed for several hours a day.

I had hoped to use it for surgery recovery, but fuck all that. Going to go ahead and use a plain ole wolverine blend for the rest of my run this time around. Got some TB400 and BPC, gonna mix em together and with a lil ipamorelin those will be my daily drivers for bit. Have been off work for weeks for this surgery and recovery and there is no way in hell that I can go back focused and ready to create significant shareholder value for my goddamn corporation if i'm hurting like that. Gotta pay for all these peptides somehow....

Anyway, research for that peptide is done. The lab rat freaking died and there's no bringing it back. Feels good to finally make the decision not to move forward with the KLOW and move ahead in my "fucking around with needles" research pain free, at least not with that bullshit.

Happy Sunday Fuckers!!!!

Have you seen this? Maybe worth a try?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gali...sine-copper-activity-7413300807334289408-tM_N

I used to experience the same. What works for me is using slightly less bacteriostatic water and adjust the pH using sodium bicarbonate (comes in an injectable sterile bottle). For KLOW, I use 2.8ml BAC and 0.2ml of 8.4% sodium bicarbonate. A before/after test using pH strips confirms the pH is elevated from 4.5-5 to around 8, removing the sting for me.

 

[Dos-Dox]

Hey how are you mixing the lido? In the syringe or in the vial? If so how much? Where can I get lido?

Sorry for the multiple questions. I’m determined to not let this blue bitch break me. I ain’t a p*ssy 🤣

I substitute some of the BAC for epi/lido right into the vial. It’s available from dental supply sites and some of our favorite supplies sites in this space. DM me if you want and I’ll tell you exactly where I got mine. Since this forum is accessible without a login, I’m always a little hesitant to post that level of detail. I buy the 1.7 mL cartridges, which are currently $2/vial. You can also try it with just the lido, but my understanding is the epi helps tremendously with the mast cell histamine response.

 

[Dos-Dox]

If so how much?

Sorry, I missed this part of your question. Here’s what I did on my first batch with epi/lido:

For my first batch, I used 0.8 mL of 2% lidocaine HCL w/epi (1:50,000). With my GHK-Cu, KPV, epi/lido, and BAC, each 10 IU dose worked out to 1.75 mg GHK-Cu, 0.5 mg KPV, 0.16 mg epi, 16 mg lidocaine.

 

[AlexSilver]

I substitute some of the BAC for epi/lido right into the vial. It’s available from dental supply sites and some of our favorite supplies sites in this space. DM me if you want and I’ll tell you exactly where I got mine. Since this forum is accessible without a login, I’m always a little hesitant to post that level of detail. I buy the 1.7 mL cartridges, which are currently $2/vial. You can also try it with just the lido, but my understanding is the epi helps tremendously with the mast cell histamine response.

I am interested in that epi/lido link too.

 

[FRMN01]

Thanks a lot. Not there yet. Saw some cosmetic grade on Amazon, and AliExpress too. The worst thing is that one can't even trust Amazon anymore...so much low-quality merch from whoknowswhere. Not just meds though.
For the face, I'm thinking more about using retinal, while being on KLOW. Patience is really hard, but if I use both subq and topical copper, I would never know which is really more helpful.

GYC sells GHK-cu raw 10g for $80

 

[Bit of a Rebel]

I agree that different people have different reactions. I read about a lot of people who have such terrible reactions to klow (other peptides also) and some no reaction at all. I fortunately am one of the ones who has never had any sort of reaction to it or any other peptide so far.

 

[Habibibi]

Not looking for any advice to make it better. I've already read so much. Have tried several workarounds and whatever im going to get out of that is not worth feeling like literally being stabbed for several hours a day.

I had hoped to use it for surgery recovery, but fuck all that. Going to go ahead and use a plain ole wolverine blend for the rest of my run this time around. Got some TB400 and BPC, gonna mix em together and with a lil ipamorelin those will be my daily drivers for bit. Have been off work for weeks for this surgery and recovery and there is no way in hell that I can go back focused and ready to create significant shareholder value for my goddamn corporation if i'm hurting like that. Gotta pay for all these peptides somehow....

Anyway, research for that peptide is done. The lab rat freaking died and there's no bringing it back. Feels good to finally make the decision not to move forward with the KLOW and move ahead in my "fucking around with needles" research pain free, at least not with that bullshit.

Happy Sunday Fuckers!!!!

You're not missing much, there are exactly 0 human studies on injectable ghk-cu.

 

[Flexon]

Is it possible for me to use the contents of the Klow vials for anything else? Scrotum lotion or something? Or is it just useless unless its injected?

I used BPC 157 sublingually with great success, it resolved my prostatitis symptoms almost completely, and at some other time I had some success with tendons too (I had some other problems interfering with general health, otherwise I suppose results would be lot better). First I used sublingual tablets, later used syringe to apply vials content sublingually. Both application methods worked great.

 

[ColdBubbles]

I bought a kit and was about to try KLOW but this post is making me have second thoughts 😭

I just received my first 2 kits of KLOW80 today and now I'm scared! I'm going to mix it w 6ml BACand I hope that cuts the sting!

 

[AlexSilver]

I just received my first 2 kits of KLOW80 today and now I'm scared! I'm going to mix it w 6ml BACand I hope that cuts the sting!

It will work but I highly recommend balancing the ph and adding some lido. If you get plain ghk-basic and blend it with the KLOW, the pain will completely go away. And ghk-basic is good for you too.

 

[Chili777]

I just received my first 2 kits of KLOW80 today and now I'm scared! I'm going to mix it w 6ml BACand I hope that cuts the sting!

I started last week and I'm struggling a bit with the ISRs. My first pin was straight KLOW, and I found out I am not one of the lucky ones. I won't do that again. I now pull 12 units and pull 12 more units of BAC into the syringe. That helped some, but the sting still lasts all day. I'm going the lido route and I'm ordering it today.

 

[Dos-Dox]

I started last week and I'm struggling a bit with the ISRs. My first pin was straight KLOW, and I found out I am not one of the lucky ones. I won't do that again. I now pull 12 units and pull 12 more units of BAC into the syringe. That helped some, but the sting still lasts all day. I'm going the lido route and I'm ordering it today.

If you’re ordering lido, you might consider getting epi/lido instead. The epinephrine is what helps with the MAST/histamine response.

And like Alex said, the basic also helps a bunch.

 

[Chili777]

If you’re ordering lido, you might consider getting epi/lido instead. The epinephrine is what helps with the MAST/histamine response.

And like Alex said, the basic also helps a bunch.

I ordered the lido from underground. I do have some 50 mg basic on the way, but it's in my neverending GB order, now at 11 weeks. I'll see how the lido does. It can't be worse. 🤣

 

[Dos-Dox]

I ordered the lido from underground. I do have some 50 mg basic on the way, but it's in my neverending GB order, now at 11 weeks. I'll see how the lido does. It can't be worse. 🤣

I understand that! The basic GB I got in closed 1/20 and I just got a tracking number yesterday. Sometimes it goes that way. 😵‍💫 But I bought a single to give it a try and it works great!

 

[Chili777]

I understand that! The basic GB I got in closed 1/20 and I just got a tracking number yesterday. Sometimes it goes that way. 😵‍💫 But I bought a single to give it a try and it works great!

Nice. Mine closed on 2/19. No ETA yet. I was in another one that closed a week later and got it 3 weeks ago. Ya never know.

 

[SVT810E]

It will work but I highly recommend balancing the ph and adding some lido. If you get plain ghk-basic and blend it with the KLOW, the pain will completely go away. And ghk-basic is good for you too.

+1 for the GHK-Basic. I never tried the fully classic protocol with injections in triplicate, massage guns, and epi/lido; but I couldn’t tell even a difference in ISR between GHK-Cu and GHK/BPC/TB. Both were absolute keep me up at night misery.

But add a little bit of GHK-Basic and it was instantly all gone.

 

[Jittrbug]

+1 for the GHK-Basic. I never tried the fully classic protocol with injections in triplicate, massage guns, and epi/lido; but I couldn’t tell even a difference in ISR between GHK-Cu and GHK/BPC/TB. Both were absolute keep me up at night misery.

But add a little bit of GHK-Basic and it was instantly all gone.

Does anyone know how effective the GHK-cu is if you are adding GHK-basic to it before injecting?
I absolutely still get isr's, every.single.day. and have been for the entire cycle of KLOW (10 weeks in for a 12 week cycle). I see great benefits from KLOW, so I plan on continuing my cycles, but I do wonder if adding basic would actually help.

 

[mybodyisasewer]

I just received my first 2 kits of KLOW80 today and now I'm scared! I'm going to mix it w 6ml BACand I hope that cuts the sting!

I just ordered KLOW and now I am reading this thread. Really hoping that I'm one of the lucky ones who can tolerate it. Beacuse even if it hurts like hell I'm probably finishing the kit.

 

[ColdBubbles]

I just ordered KLOW and now I am reading this thread. Really hoping that I'm one of the lucky ones who can tolerate it. Beacuse even if it hurts like hell I'm probably finishing the kit.

I'm 2 weeks in now and have not experienced any significant pain or ISR. I reconned w 6ml Hospira BAC for my first vial by transferring to a 10ml sterile vial, but I'll probably just use 3ml next time since the spiciness has been such a non-issue for me so far. Good luck!

 

[TeresaHip]

I've been on glow not klow for 3 or 4 weeks. I've had no pain or ISR. I reconned with 3ml of bac. I guess I'm just fortunate because it seems like lots of people have issues with it.