Best stack for athletic performance? Reta + what?

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I am an active middle aged man (lifting 3-4 days a week, track foods, Road Bike 70 miles a week, 7-9k steps daily) and I am currently on reta, today is week 5. Since I have been " researching " what might pair best w Reta. I was thinking CJC/IPA but also considering MOTS. The article I just linked did not included MOTS which surprised me.

What have you found increases athletic outputs? For me , I would love increased endurance on my road bike and in the gym. MOTS seems to fit the bill and it is not too expensive.

What do you all think? Thanks !
 
For me personally, running mots-c every other day and cycling between ss31 and slupp332 days inbetween. I did also run NAD+ but didn't really see any noticeable difference in overall energy.
 
Chucky said:
For me personally, running mots-c every other day and cycling between ss31 and slupp332 days inbetween. I did also run NAD+ but didn't really see any noticeable difference in overall energy.
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MOTS cycle, how long? thanks for ur info.
 
With exercises like cycling, it really depends on your goals, are you aiming to increase mileage and power output, or are you focusing on recovery so you can ride more frequently? I’ll give you a few options!

MOTS-C - Increases muscle glucose uptake and overall energy expenditure.

BPC-157 & TB500 (Wolverine Stack) or use KLOW for added GHK-CU and KPV Benefits: Improved recovery between training sessions and reduced muscle soreness, noticeable reduction in joint aches and inflammation.

If I was to choose any peptide it would be recovery over enhancement when doing longer milage, of course if money is not the issue go with both!
 
Beardboost said:
With exercises like cycling, it really depends on your goals, are you aiming to increase mileage and power output, or are you focusing on recovery so you can ride more frequently? I’ll give you a few options!

MOTS-C - Increases muscle glucose uptake and overall energy expenditure.

BPC-157 & TB500 (Wolverine Stack) or use KLOW for added GHK-CU and KPV Benefits: Improved recovery between training sessions and reduced muscle soreness, noticeable reduction in joint aches and inflammation.

If I was to choose any peptide it would be recovery over enhancement when doing longer milage, of course if money is not the issue go with both!
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I like ur style ha ! Might just do that, I see almost no side effects to worry about.
 
I’m a mountain biker, it was how I got myself fit 35 yrs ago. Have stuck with it and started weight lifting about 15 years ago to help correct structural imbalances brought on by too much time in saddle/at a desk.

53 going on 54. Went on TRT about 8 yrs ago, 120mg a week (split dose), HCG .5mg2x/wk. was very happy with this for a long time.

Last year I added tadalafil, and this year Reta, Tesamorelin, and Wolverine blend (bpc 157/TB 500).

Everything has been additive beneficial to both performance, recovery and overall energy. I also have noticed improved flexibility and less stiffness in my neck.

The only issue I have is Max HR elevation due to the Reta (was 181-185, now 205-209). Guidance has been to monitor, but not obsess over it as it is a direct result of the Reta and matches the increase in resting HR I have experienced (49-51 to 65ish). This does have me considering a shift to Tirz, but there is also suggestion that my HR should return to baseline after 6-8month adjustment period.

V02 max is 47, FTP is 250, max wattage is 1354 , sustained wattage of 1050 for 20 seconds (all recorded this past Sunday).

Hope this helps.
 
Man I dont know anyone that gets better cardio or endurance from clen. Heart rate peaks, rapid breathing and the muscle cramps that people claim taurine helps, but never met anyone in real life that taurine worked.
 
gusterbuster said:
Man I dont know anyone that gets better cardio or endurance from clen. Heart rate peaks, rapid breathing and the muscle cramps that people claim taurine helps, but never met anyone in real life that taurine worked.
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Yeah that's true. You don't know me.
Joking aside, during my athletic career, clen was a godsend for so many after ephedrine died along with Mark Vivien Foe. The muscle cramps are usually the result of dehydration-nutrient imbalance. One has to be careful with dosage just like anything else, including bronchodilators, clenbuterol or salbutamol. Now consider HR increase, rapid breathing. In moderation, those are effects of exercise mimetics, which mimic the effect of aerobic exercise.
 
Smiter said:
if elevated HR is not an issue, clen, cialis, ephedra are great for aerobic endurance. And track and pursue SLU-PP-915... Thank me later.
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Ephedrine is especially great for its stimulating effect but hard on the heart. Clen i wouldnt do. Its not as good and even harder on the heart IMO.

There is also cardarine, not a peptide or an adrenergic receptor agonist but great for endurance output, probably the better than even ephedrine. I wouldnt do it long term but short cycles is fine.
 
I just wanted to chime in on clen - it has it's place. If you are already low bodyfat and on a deficit, it will preserve some muscle and make the cut more efficient. Low doses of 30 or 40 mcg aren't that bad and the sides are doable. I wouldn't go over 80mcg ever, and don't run it longer than 2 weeks. Tons of people have taken clen with no problems, just have to be careful. Don't take it if you have neurological or cardiac issues. The studies that showed heart apoptis were rodents receiving massive doses. I've had a bottle of 100 30mcg tabs for over 2 years and it's only like half gone.
 
mybodyisasewer said:
I just wanted to chime in on clen - it has it's place. If you are already low bodyfat and on a deficit, it will preserve some muscle and make the cut more efficient. Low doses of 30 or 40 mcg aren't that bad and the sides are doable. I wouldn't go over 80mcg ever, and don't run it longer than 2 weeks. Tons of people have taken clen with no problems, just have to be careful. Don't take it if you have neurological or cardiac issues. The studies that showed heart apoptis were rodents receiving massive doses. I've had a bottle of 100 30mcg tabs for over 2 years and it's only like half gone.
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ok so u have the tablets not the vials . thanks
 
gimmeshelter said:
ok so u have the tablets not the vials . thanks
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Clen comes in the oral form.
mybodyisasewer said:
I just wanted to chime in on clen - it has it's place. If you are already low bodyfat and on a deficit, it will preserve some muscle and make the cut more efficient. Low doses of 30 or 40 mcg aren't that bad and the sides are doable. I wouldn't go over 80mcg ever, and don't run it longer than 2 weeks. Tons of people have taken clen with no problems, just have to be careful. Don't take it if you have neurological or cardiac issues. The studies that showed heart apoptis were rodents receiving massive doses. I've had a bottle of 100 30mcg tabs for over 2 years and it's only like half gone.
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Same. I keep it at 20mcg, and have rarely taken the full 40mcg tablet. Never had issues.
 
gusterbuster said:
Not a peptide but look into bromantane. Great for endurance work. Lowers perceived effort, no jitters or crash. But cant compete in wada tested events.
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Reading this literally makes me angry... As memantine fan, I have been wanting to try bromantane for something like 5 years and STILL haven't gotten around to it! Do you mind dropping your source?

As for the OP, still trying to figure it out. MotsC helps a little bit. Anxious to try SS31, have some coming from overseas.

I wish this stuff wasn't so expensive, would really like to try 5AM or SLUPP and a billion others.

I just got a sample of DSIP and I suspect that's going to be helpful, it's been incredible the last two nights, I recommend starting at 300-500mcg immediately before sleeping.

TMG has helped my energy a lot, fish oil helps a bit too I think but it's hard to pinpoint. Since I have methylation issues I want to add in methylfolate and methyl b12 to help support my methylation pathways for NAD injections. If you're an overmethylator, NAD might be beneficial for you. For me, it just burns my methyl groups similarly to flush niacin.
 
gusterbuster said:
I've gotten bromantane from MA Research and Khimera Chems
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Man those websites look grimy. Love it. Reminds me of the good old days when I didn't use RCs for health and wellness.

What other kinda nasty do you buy off of there bro? Anything I can't live without?
 
birdwhacker said:
Man those websites look grimy. Love it. Reminds me of the good old days when I didn't use RCs for health and wellness.

What other kinda nasty do you buy off of there bro? Anything I can't live without?
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Haha, also got cardarine, and the telmisartan/nebivolol for a blast.

Man cardarine and bromantane combo is awesome as a mountain biker. First ride of the season today and hit multiple PRs.
 
gusterbuster said:
Haha, also got cardarine, and the telmisartan/nebivolol for a blast.

Man cardarine and bromantane combo is awesome as a mountain biker. First ride of the season today and hit multiple PRs.
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Holy hell man. How often do you run the cardarine?! The cancer risk sounds hilariously bad. I can imagine you're a super soldier on the trails 🤣

I'm just running reta and playing around with some other stuff right now, but I need something to tackle energy issues during cardio and bromantane sounds great for that. Does it keep you up at night? Can you compare it to ephedrine/caffeine/amphetamines/modafinil?

Nebivolol, why's that your go to? I have some heart issues that require that I take magnesium religiously, and I added in tdalafil to counter some mild hypertension and circulation issues stemming from stimulant abuse. I was considering adding something like atenolol back into the mix, since it looks like I'm going to live long enough for it to become a problem down the line.

How does telmisartan work for you? Are the two put together just a standard protocol in your line of work to counter BP spikes from gear?
 
For "Increased athletic outputs" at the gym, I use beta-alanine. Also use when dirt biking and mountain biking. I used to take it separate but now just use Transparent Labs Bulk as it has other stuff in it too. beta-alanine is supposed to a buffer against lactic acid during high-entisity exercise. Mostly bursts like weight lifting or interval type training.
 
birdwhacker said:
Holy hell man. How often do you run the cardarine?! The cancer risk sounds hilariously bad. I can imagine you're a super soldier on the trails 🤣

I'm just running reta and playing around with some other stuff right now, but I need something to tackle energy issues during cardio and bromantane sounds great for that. Does it keep you up at night? Can you compare it to ephedrine/caffeine/amphetamines/modafinil?

Nebivolol, why's that your go to? I have some heart issues that require that I take magnesium religiously, and I added in tdalafil to counter some mild hypertension and circulation issues stemming from stimulant abuse. I was considering adding something like atenolol back into the mix, since it looks like I'm going to live long enough for it to become a problem down the line.

How does telmisartan work for you? Are the two put together just a standard protocol in your line of work to counter BP spikes from gear?
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A lot of people in the PED community view Cardarine if ran at 10mg daily, relatively safe. The study that showed cancer, was set up to fail. I believe the cliff notes are, they gave rats that are prone to cancer something like 15x the human dose to a 1kg rat and oh no they got cancer and died a few months early. Cardarine is also great for keeping lipids in check when using orals.

Nebivolol is a selective beta blocker up to 10mg. The combo of Nebivolol and Telmisartan is considered the most cardio protective when using gear. Specifically for left ventricular hypertrophy.

I'm a high mileage veteran who is missing a ligament in one knee, multiple injuries, got asthma from some kind of exposure, and thyroid shit out making me weak. Woke up one day and chose violence. Lost 40lbs, then put on 18lbs lean mass verified by dexa.

Current stack is reta, KLOW, 3IU HGH, 200mg test, 70mg tren, cardarine, with bromantane twice a week before cardio. Tren dose is because I wanted to see the hype about low dose tren on a cut. Tren did bump BP so on 40mg telmisartan and 5mg nebivolol.

For Bromantane, it has a slow onset so need to take it like 1.5 hours pre workout. Didnt notice any effect on sleep, but I have shit sleep.
 
Smiter said:
if elevated HR is not an issue, clen, cialis, ephedra are great for aerobic endurance. And track and pursue SLU-PP-915... Thank me later.
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First time I've heard of 915 and researching online between that and 332, I'm going to have to go through vendors and see if any have it in stock to try. I'm on my 6 week cycle of SS31, but wonder if taking it in conjunction with SS31 would be overkill considering I take mots-c inbetween.
 
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