Where oh where has my mg gone?

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As the title says I have no clue whats going on

I use a pen & cartridges. I added 2mg H bac to 34mg Tirz & I check on the calculator every time to make sure. I dial up & my husband double checks I'm on the correct unit (so its not like I'm doing random things). I also made a list & used 25mg of this but it was empty & have moved on to the 2nd vial. I did make 2 carts during this time 1 at a time & filtered for both.

Same thing happened with my R. I did 1ml in 10mg. Made 3 vials at a time 1 by 1 same exact. 1st vial lasted to 7mg, now this 2nd one was already empty today & only took 5.5mg. I have no clue whats going on

I do not leave a tip in ever (so its not leaking or evaporating). I use a new one & dispose every time.

Does this happen to anyone else?
 
Smiter said:
filter waste????
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As Smiter said, isn't there always some fluid left in the filter? A 4mm filter retains about 5 units. A 13mm filter retains about 15 units. Also, there's some fluid left in the cartridges when you get to the end, right? Since most cartridges are tapered at the end, but the plunger doesn't fit there. Could that be where the math is different?
 
CharmanderInDisguise said:
As Smiter said, isn't there always some fluid left in the filter? A 4mm filter retains about 5 units. A 13mm filter retains about 15 units. Also, there's some fluid left in the cartridges when you get to the end, right? Since most cartridges are tapered at the end, but the plunger doesn't fit there. Could that be where the math is different?
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Yes I do use a 13mm .22um I didnt realize it was 15 left in there, but the 10mg added up to 45units & the 34mg one was 53u. I was just surprised today that there wasn't anything left after 3 doses. I have to make sure to use higher mg vials, ha ha
 
I had the same thing happen to me when I tried reconting the Reta.. liquid got out of the filter and being the despo I am, I licked it. Did you pull back the plunger and push air through the filter to force liquid back into the vial?
WLBLD said:
but the 10mg added up to 45units & the 34mg one was 53u.
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honestly these numbers make no sense to me. I'm sorry.
 
Smiter said:
I had the same thing happen to me when I tried reconting the Reta.. liquid got out of the filter and being the despo I am, I licked it. Did you pull back the plunger and push air through the filter to force liquid back into the vial?

honestly these numbers make no sense to me. I'm sorry.
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Meaning the missing amount & yes makes no sense to me either prob the rest was left in the cart too, ha ha
 
CharmanderInDisguise said:
Those are definitely different concentrations. Same size/length needles used for both?

Filter Loss - Peptide Critic
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Yes still on the same box of 32g 4mm tips

I had to check it out & read about it. Its up to 29u (said 10-29) that can be left in there, so that explains a lot. The rest must have been from 1st prime + what was left in the cart
 
I filter my vials twice; once for mitigating lack of sterilization and another to mitigate endotoxin concentration. In my recent 10mg MOTS-c, I had about 7mg left after filtering. 😭 But better to be "safER" than not. 👀
 
Alright my class is just finished. I can concentrate now. So, tell me properly. You used a 10mg vial of Reta and reconstituted it with 1ml BAC so now you have 1ml of Reta at 10mg per ml. Then what happened?
WLBLD said:
Yes still on the same box of 32g 4mm tips

I had to check it out & read about it. Its up to 29u (said 10-29) that can be left in there, so that explains a lot. The rest must have been from 1st prime + what was left in the cart
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Smiter said:
Alright my class is just finished. I can concentrate now. So, tell me properly. You used a 10mg vial of Reta and reconstituted it with 1ml BAC so now you have 10ml of Reta at 1mg per ml. Then what happened?
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10mg vial, added 1ml H-bac so 1mg per 10units
 
dancs said:
I filter my vials twice; once for mitigating lack of sterilization and another to mitigate endotoxin concentration. In my recent 10mg MOTS-c, I had about 7mg left after filtering. 😭 But better to be "safER" than not. 👀
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Doesn't the 1st part come out when you filer the 2nd time? Dont you just lose the up to 28 units 1x (last push through)?
 
Smiter said:
yes thats right. Now what happened after this reconstitution?
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Your guess is as good as mine, ha ha. Im guessing I lost it to the filter.

Filter tax/pen tax is worth it to me though 🙂
 
dancs said:
I filter my vials twice; once for mitigating lack of sterilization and another to mitigate endotoxin concentration. In my recent 10mg MOTS-c, I had about 7mg left after filtering. 😭 But better to be "safER" than not. 👀
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Unfortunately, filtering doesn’t remove endotoxins, so that second filtering is basically a waste of supplies and opens the possibility for further contamination. Endos are too small to be filtered. Some say that there is a special type of charged filter that might be able to remove endotoxins, is that what you’re using? If not, the second filtering is actually adding risk, not reducing it.
 
WLBLD said:
Your guess is as good as mine, ha ha. Im guessing I lost it to the filter.

Filter tax/pen tax is worth it to me though 🙂
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What you’ve described about losing 45 units in those 10mg/1mL vials is way beyond the typical “holdback” in a filter. Some possible alternative hypotheses:

  • The pen is administering the wrong # of units
  • User error on the # of units administered (less likely with the 10mg since the math is easy)
  • The syringe using to draw the bac is not calibrated correctly (not likely)

Of all these, the first seems the most plausible. What type of pen are you using and have you tested it?
 
Smiter said:
.. liquid got out of the filter and being the despo I am, I licked it.

honestly these numbers make no sense to me. I'm sorry.
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Incredibly based, Smiter. I think you and me would get along well. I eat the stems while I pack the bowl.
 
Smiter said:
and being the despo I am, I licked it.
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Made me laugh!

OP, read up on minimizing/recovering filter waste. An air purge gets some back. A flush can recover more. Pre-wetting the filter allows you to retain the most.

Downside is each one of those evolutions requires another needle (except for the air purge). But there are ways to mitigate that, too. For example, use a cheap diabetic syringe to pre-wet the filter. Buy LuerLok needles in bulk to get the cost down to $.06/ea. Things like that.

Another possibility; check your pen for accuracy. I had one (from Amazon) that was wildly inaccurate. Mostly under-dosed, but occasionally over-dosed, too.

Good video on pen testing:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdzUaAEC4o
 
Grogu said:
Unfortunately, filtering doesn’t remove endotoxins, so that second filtering is basically a waste of supplies and opens the possibility for further contamination. Endos are too small to be filtered. Some say that there is a special type of charged filter that might be able to remove endotoxins, is that what you’re using? If not, the second filtering is actually adding risk, not reducing it.
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I'm not entirely sure if this actually works or not, especially if I get the cheaper alternative from amazon (50 for $250), but it gives me peace of mind knowing it "may" help to a degree!
 
Interesting, in the product description they say that it filters out endotoxins. I would like to see some test results towards that claim. If true, it would be a game changer…
 
I do not use a pen, but somehow lost 30u in my first reconstitution. I was reading about it last night and the best info I could find said it may be related to "dead space" in each draw. Otherwise i cant figure out how 30u disappeared.
 
FallingAlice said:
I do not use a pen, but somehow lost 30u in my first reconstitution. I was reading about it last night and the best info I could find said it may be related to "dead space" in each draw. Otherwise i cant figure out how 30u disappeared.
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Filter, could’ve mismeasured or spilt some. 3mg is quite a bit.
 
Grogu said:
What you’ve described about losing 45 units in those 10mg/1mL vials is way beyond the typical “holdback” in a filter. Some possible alternative hypotheses:

  • The pen is administering the wrong # of units
  • User error on the # of units administered (less likely with the 10mg since the math is easy)
  • The syringe using to draw the bac is not calibrated correctly (not likely)

Of all these, the first seems the most plausible. What type of pen are you using and have you tested it?
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Yes so strange I have no clue other than lost to the filter & then maybe purged a bit more. I don't know, ha ha. Ive been checking & have at least 2 of us check I'm on the right # + calculate again each time for the larger mg cart (the 10 is such an easy one, ha ha). I don't want to make any mistakes after reading some of these stories.

I did test the pen several times. Its a Mrs Goodlife, We have several of these. Was accurate when pushing slowly. I don't think Im getting more (would prob be getting better results if that was the case, ha ha).
 
deluge said:
Made me laugh!

OP, read up on minimizing/recovering filter waste. An air purge gets some back. A flush can recover more. Pre-wetting the filter allows you to retain the most.

Downside is each one of those evolutions requires another needle (except for the air purge). But there are ways to mitigate that, too. For example, use a cheap diabetic syringe to pre-wet the filter. Buy LuerLok needles in bulk to get the cost down to $.06/ea. Things like that.

Another possibility; check your pen for accuracy. I had one (from Amazon) that was wildly inaccurate. Mostly under-dosed, but occasionally over-dosed, too.

Good video on pen testing:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdzUaAEC4o
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Thank you I just heard about purging lately (after I reconed all what I have at the moment). I'm definitely going to next time. I usually do about 2-3 carts at a time (last time more since you can freeze the Tirz)

I did buy in bulk I have over 100 so I have a lot to spare

I did check it several times with different doses. If I was getting higher doses faster I would prob be down more, ha ha

Thank you!!
 
FallingAlice said:
I do not use a pen, but somehow lost 30u in my first reconstitution. I was reading about it last night and the best info I could find said it may be related to "dead space" in each draw. Otherwise i cant figure out how 30u disappeared.
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Crazy it even happens w vials & syringes🤷‍♀️
 
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