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I’ve been wanting to start KLOW but the known ISR had put me off. I finally worked up the courage- diluted with 4ml hospital into 80mg vial. Did 2 mini pins of 4 units/each into upper glute with a 1ml, 31g, 5/16” syringe. A little immediate sting but within 4 hours, a constant extreme ache that grew and encompassed a quarter of my glute and lasted 30+ hours. I’ve poured over the forum, and realized I could dilute it even more. But I’d like to try lido/epi because I’ve been known to have strong histamine responses. I found this but I’m not 100% sure it’s what I want. Looking for experienced advice please!
 

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Alc23 said:
I’ve been wanting to start KLOW but the known ISR had put me off. I finally worked up the courage- diluted with 4ml hospital into 80mg vial. Did 2 mini pins of 4 units/each into upper glute with a 1ml, 31g, 5/16” syringe. A little immediate sting but within 4 hours, a constant extreme ache that grew and encompassed a quarter of my glute and lasted 30+ hours. I’ve poured over the forum, and realized I could dilute it even more. But I’d like to try lido/epi because I’ve been known to have strong histamine responses. I found this but I’m not 100% sure it’s what I want. Looking for experienced advice please!
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What is the upside you're chasing that makes you feel this is a good tradeoff? Personally I'd only be willing to deal with that for a medicine that drastically improved my health - a random blend of peptides that have no real evidence to back their use up certainly worksheet qualify. If you do want to persist I'd suggest trying the components individually instead, one at a time. And also considering which of those you think is the best bang for buck.

It's funny, people rail against polypharmacy but then love their "stacks" (which, of course, are polypharmacy!).
 
Alc23 said:
I’ve been wanting to start KLOW but the known ISR had put me off. I finally worked up the courage- diluted with 4ml hospital into 80mg vial. Did 2 mini pins of 4 units/each into upper glute with a 1ml, 31g, 5/16” syringe. A little immediate sting but within 4 hours, a constant extreme ache that grew and encompassed a quarter of my glute and lasted 30+ hours. I’ve poured over the forum, and realized I could dilute it even more. But I’d like to try lido/epi because I’ve been known to have strong histamine responses. I found this but I’m not 100% sure it’s what I want. Looking for experienced advice please!
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You can only buy that if you are licensed. Also, I have learned not to dilute the initial dose because it supposedly makes knots and larger reactions.

I will say that being on week 8, my ISR is getting less reactive. But, I suffer with it because it is doing so much for my skin and veins (being an older person--if you are young-under 30--don't bother, it won't do anything noticeable for you.)
 
I’m after skin/hair benefits of Ghkcu and anti-inflammatory effects of KPV. Decided on KLOW as reports of less sting with the additions of BPC and KPV. I’m 43, hopefully, optimistic that I will benefit from the skin/hair effects. That particular lido/epi doesn’t require a medical license. I’m hoping someone who uses this as a hack might chime in…🤞🏼🙏🍀 @Dos-Dox
 
Alc23 said:
I’m after skin/hair benefits of Ghkcu and anti-inflammatory effects of KPV. Decided on KLOW as reports of less sting with the additions of BPC and KPV. I’m 43, hopefully, optimistic that I will benefit from the skin/hair effects. That particular lido/epi doesn’t require a medical license. I’m hoping someone who uses this as a hack might chime in…🤞🏼🙏🍀 @Dos-Dox
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For skin you can use topical GHK-Cu. For inflammation, Tirz has vastly more data backing it up. Just saying - trendy "stacks" aren't always the best approach and in this case given your negative response I would simplify things! Taking 4 new drugs by injection isn't exactly a simple "hack".
 
There was another thread on this topic you might find useful. Some seem to be fine with using GHK basic, but I have not tried it so can't comment. What I do : add 2mL bac, 1mL epi/lido; draw 15 units, then dilute further with more (15 units) bac. Then I micro-dose approx 10 units each on three separate sites. It still stings like death if I do IM - SQ only.
 
miameow said:
There was another thread on this topic you might find useful. Some seem to be fine with using GHK basic, but I have not tried it so can't comment. What I do : add 2mL bac, 1mL epi/lido; draw 15 units, then dilute further with more (15 units) bac. Then I micro-dose approx 10 units each on three separate sites. It still stings like death if I do IM - SQ only.
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Thanks- I read through that…I paused because I wanted to refresh myself on chemistry as some people (Anela protocol) claim the basic degrades the Ghkcu- so while it no longer stings, it’s no longer active. Again, I planned to do my own research on that and see what I concluded. But thanks for the link.
 
ltjltj said:
For skin you can use topical GHK-Cu. For inflammation, Tirz has vastly more data backing it up. Just saying - trendy "stacks" aren't always the best approach and in this case given your negative response I would simplify things! Taking 4 new drugs by injection isn't exactly a simple "hack".
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I appreciate your thoughts! These aren’t new drugs to me. I’ve been using KPV, BPC157 and TB4 orally for gut healing for many months. But knowing efficacy, I was hoping to try subq. And yes, I probably should have started them individually, but the ease of a single vial got me. And now, in true noob fashion, I’ve got a kit that I’d like to be able to use, lol
 
I always hear about how fragile the copper is. Like even if you mix it with something benign, there might be a chemical reaction that renders it useless. Anyone know anything more about this, or have experience with this?
 
QueenMuntha said:
You can only buy that if you are licensed.
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You can buy injectable lidocaine from Acecosm or Meamo. They both have websites.

ltjltj said:
For skin you can use topical GHK-Cu.
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You can, but it would be a pain in the ass, not to mention expensive, to apply topically to your whole body. Injections are much easier for systemic effects.

It definitely works, but it takes patience and several months to see results, due to long skin and hair cycles. Most people give up before it has had time to make visible improvements.
 
I'm taking KLOW along with 3 friends, for 1 week now. I reconstitute 1 vial with 5ml hospira Bacteriostatic Water and 1ml lido (not with epi as I can't find it), then inject in love handles. No sting, no discomfort at all for a any of us. Occasional redness at Injection site but doesn't last long. Not noticing any decreased joint pain or skin/hair improvement, but it's early yet.
 
I just dilute. Sure, it dulls the needle and uses a ton of bac, but it keeps the majority of the inflammation at bay. Anything less than that dilution and it will burn for days and develop fibrotic nodules from the prolonged inflammation.IMG_0722.webp
 
I must be lucky, or my stuff is just blue dye. I do it above my butt, below my waist (to the side/hip area) and I feel nothing with klow 80 and 2ml bac water. When I tried it diluted with 5ml any place else it burned for hours, stomach being the worst.
 
Alc23 said:
is the pic in OP the correct item?
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The stuff I use is 1:50,000. I haven’t tried the 1:100,000, It might work fine but I don’t know as it has half as much epi than the other dilution. Current price is $2.50 per 1.7 mL cartridge where I get it (plus shipping, of course.) I normally only buy some if I’m buying other supplies as well.
 
Dos-Dox said:
The stuff I use is 1:50,000. I haven’t tried the 1:100,000, It might work fine but I don’t know as it has half as much epi than the other dilution. Current price is $2.50 per 1.7 mL cartridge where I get it (plus shipping, of course.) I normally only buy some if I’m buying other supplies as well.
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d m me? I've been on this little hunt for days now. And trying to work around newbie privileges!
 
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