conzopiriani
GLP-1 Apprentice
San Francisco startups are pushing a hot peptide summer
Despite medical concerns and no FDA approval, startups are betting big on gray-market peptides.
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PAPoots
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It is really freaking sad. I was hanging out with some 20 somethings last weekend and girls under 25 are talking about getting botox injected over their eyebrows. WTF.
bay_area_schizo
GLP-1 Apprentice
interesting read. thanks for posting this!More fun in the summer, In the city, Dressed so fine and lookin' so pretty
San Francisco startups are pushing a hot peptide summer
Despite medical concerns and no FDA approval, startups are betting big on gray-market peptides.
Taking calculated risks is rendered impossible when subjects are immune to the demands of intellects. Sadly, the blunders committed by such folks may poison the State machinery against the rest of us.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I liked the buzz-kill lawyer in the article. But not mentioned was the possibility of civil lawsuits as well.More fun in the summer, In the city, Dressed so fine and lookin' so prettySan Francisco startups are pushing a hot peptide summer
Despite medical concerns and no FDA approval, startups are betting big on gray-market peptides.
Neurogroot
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Sometimes when I want to angry up the blood, I’ll look at some various peptide related threads on Reddit. Shocking amount of 18-25 year olds looking for information, and even sadder, 14-17.
Put aside the ridiculous posts where the usual cringy questions get asked. “How many ml do I take?” without mention of concentration. Or “what peptides will give me x/y/z”, where I notice the “give” term..
It’s disturbing to hear them ordering from TikTok. Now, I fully am aware the irony as we all get our various items from shady places, but getting it off social media seems extra strange.
Sadder still is how these kids feel like they NEED these things, to date, have friends, or keep up appearances, etc. I don’t have kids so I am not in tune with what’s going on with certain generations but it sounds real rough.
Lastly, the thought of these kids not doing any research on what these peptides are, what they do, that they produce tons of their own GH, test, etc.. and that they’ll break their still developing systems, and feel it once they can’t afford the minimal vial or 2 a month to keep going, or they get bored with it, etc.
Scary stuff. Not that mostly self lab-ratting myself is any better. I took bloodwork though, adjusted usages based on my needs/goals… and hell, I’m 40 and am just chasing my late 20s (or retreating from upcoming 50s), haha
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I know our vendors are risky, but I believe they are vetted enough through our large group of purchasers and testing that I trust them more so than any social media influencer and many "Med Spas" that are most likely ordering from the same vendors we are and just printing nice labels on them. They are probably not even using Hospira BAC. 😀
ThunderBird
GLP-1 Apprentice
I don’t understand the sentiment of younger folks not taking peptides realistically if you are in it for longevity or general health it would make more sense to start earlier. In my mind it’s like the same as having dangerously low test levels but not taking test becusse you’re young and supposed to be in your prime. Then again I am 22 and most likely biased but I do find myself answer questions for older people about peptides🤷🏻♂️ while a large population of people in my age group may not be educated on peptides and side effects and the risk profiles associated with it I’d argue the old people are worse off generally, as people on the older side tend to have trouble navigating the internet and finding reputable information. There is no right answer but saying you shouldn’t do XYZ because you are not old enough is a dumb argument assuming we are all consenting adults. In my mind when you treat people like kids they act like kids sometimes you need to f*** around and find out lol.
I don't know where you find your old people, but the internet was widely used by the mid 1990's.
Before 1993, most of it was text-based -- many universities were using Telnet and email years earlier. Many people were using Usenet, electronic bulletin boards and online forums similar to this one. (Although BBCode ("Bulletin Board Code"), the coding used for this forum wasn't around until 1998).
Around 1994, the first graphical browsers like Mosaic and Netscape were introduced -- then browsing the internet (web surfing) became more user-friendly and way more addictive. Color! images!
An "old" guy in his mid-50's probably started using the internet in college. A typical educated professional who’s now in their 70's (really old guy!) probably started using the internet in their occupation in their 40's.
Most people I know who are 50 and older have been using cellphones and texting since around 2000 -- over two decades of being phone-savvy.
Where are you finding your old people?
randompersonrandom
GLP-1 Specialist
You just reminded me that the first guy I ever slept with who I'd met online, I met in 1995 in a DALnet mIRC atheism chat room. It's been thirty years and we still talk.
You also just reminded me that Legend of the Red Dragon probably exists somewhere and I'd like to play it.
RascalRaccoon
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Hahah right!
Like mate, who do you think built the internet…
Yes it is quite sad. For entertainment purposes only, looksmax.org (don't ask how I ended up there) is even more depressing (than reddit).
Rolltide61
GLP-1 Enthusiast
This is called Darwinism. Don't mess w/ it. Let nature play it out.
Well, pal, I look at it this way. I just consider this hypothetical scenario. If I had been 18 today, would I take these peps or optimizers? Or to put it in another way, if all of these tools had been available when I was eighteen, would I have used them? Oh hell yeah! I would have, with even more enthusiasm than I have now.
And you have already answered why. You're spot on. You see, we oldies take it to get healthier, rejuvenated, refreshed, or whatever, right? But for a growing adult, they can customize their journey to the best version of themselves. I was an obese fvck all my life. Why wouldn't I choose to change that ASAP? And the fact that you just mentioned- dating. I would call it mating, but that's besides the point. See, it's like college. A Bachelor of Science is a Bachelor of Science degree, whether it is from Alabama or Harvard. But the effects are not quite the same, are they? It's a competitive landscape. The better we are, the better our potential outcomes. There is no denying that. The top "chads" get all the action. The rest get leftovers, especially here in the West. Now, don't get me wrong. This is just one aspect. I mean, do we seriously doubt that better-looking people get more doors open to them? I hate that part of humanity, but it is undeniable.
Finally, and IMO, the most significant part. What we're doing is working against the clock in a defensive campaign, for the most part. We are trying to recover as much as possible of our prime condition. But for them? They have the opportunity to enhance their prime state before it even begins. Strategically, can we discard that as the clear best option? That's why I agree with Thunderbird.
All that clarified, I don't deny that the vast majority of teens out there are woefully moronic and uninformed, but since I am all about liberty, as much as I don't want them to use these gifts- for selfish reasons- I will not dispute the factual reality of their benefits. I mean, to them I would lie to their faces- get rid of competition, but here I can be honest. But, the incompetence of the users cannot take away the veracity of the principle in question, can it?
Why fight obesity when we are older, when we can get rid of it when we are young, thereby extending our peak longer and making it more amazing? IMO, Time is the MOST VALUABLE resource for every human being. The life we get out of every second, life quality, is of paramount significance. That's what I think, anyway. I am sure others would have different opinions on it.
Ha! I downloaded the first web browser/editor when TBL posted it in comp.sys.next.binaries. I think that was in late 1991. It was pretty crude and there wasn't much of a World Wide Web to browse, but it existed.
Ruckus4519
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I know this is a little light hearted haha, but this is how we get concerned maybe even grieving parents to sniff around and whose only frame of reference for our stuff is personal tragedy.
Also fuck social media and fuck Big Tech for maximizing gains off of clickbait, rage bait, engagement bait bullshit.
And honestly, when it comes to kids, maybe it’s better they get burned by scams than actually getting into the stuff. It was kind of scary to discover how easily accessible things are after doing all this research
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Wow, that is a sad site. I could see plots for serial killer movies developing from conversations there.
CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Specialist
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
The first post I read was about what shoes and inserts would make you look taller with being detectable to meet girls.
The next was some underage kid who already managed to get one vial of test and had no clue what to do with it.
I feel like these kids saw a few Instagram influencers and drank the kool-aid. The one kid is going to throw some saline water or bac into his test and slam the whole vial.
I won't be back to narcissistsrus.com. I assume it is owned by the theonion. I guess it is a good place to go to learn what not to do.
So, is the problem them doing stuff like this or them doing it in a stupid manner?
Yes, that is proof that this person was disabled upstairs.
RCpilot
GLP-1 Novice
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makes me wonder why they arent approved here in the US, but still able to buy the peps....idc....not gonna question it...ill just buy from reputable places and does at the right strengths...im in no rush at all...titrateMore fun in the summer, In the city, Dressed so fine and lookin' so prettySan Francisco startups are pushing a hot peptide summer
Despite medical concerns and no FDA approval, startups are betting big on gray-market peptides.
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Both.
I'm pretty sure young adults should not take Test, most would use hgh in their youth to not cause long term reproductive problems. Test later in life after you've had kids. There is a reason there are testosterone replacement therapy/TRT clinics and not HGHRT clinics. I'm sure there are some out there that don't care as long as they can make a buck.
I bet if I asked in the forums there what their hematocrit levels were, they'd have no clue.
Search on Joesthetics. He died at 30 from an aneurysm. Most likely due to testosterone and other peds use and ignored his blood work.
Interesting. Ok, what do you think about all the hundreds of thousands of bodybuilders who have children even though they started Test young? Same with athletes in other sports. I'm sure some have used GH too, and even Andre the Giant had a daughter. Do you think that maybe people use exceptions to fearmonger and convince others? Or do you think the use of PEDs is analogous to women getting their T & A done, though IMO, that's far, far worse, but you get what I mean?
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm not sure what you are trying to get to. A little research is all I wish these people would do before believing everything there pushers/influencers are selling.
If it wasn't a problem, countries wouldn't be locking down social media to 18 and older.
I'll save you the intense effort needed to find out what hundred of thousands of body builders do to have children.
Short answer:
Yes — when pro bodybuilders want to have children, they almost always stop taking testosterone or anabolic steroids, because these drugs shut down sperm production. Many then use other medications (HCG, FSH, Clomid, etc.) to help restart or boost fertility.
Below is the clear, evidence‑based breakdown.
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🧬 What testosterone and steroids do to fertility
External testosterone (TRT or anabolic steroids) shuts down the brain’s LH and FSH signals, which are required for sperm production. This leads to:
- Very low sperm count or zero sperm (azoospermia)
- Shrunken testicles
- Infertility
This is well‑documented: testosterone and anabolic steroids harm sperm production by suppressing LH/FSH, often acting like “male birth control.”
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🛑 Do bodybuilders stop testosterone when trying to conceive?
Yes.
Most must stop all testosterone and anabolic steroids to allow the testicles to restart sperm production.
Recovery time varies:
- 3–12 months for many men
- 12+ months for long‑term heavy steroid users
Some men remain severely oligospermic even after 6 months off testosterone.
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💊 What drugs are added to restore sperm count?
Fertility clinics commonly use HPTA‑stimulating medications to restart sperm production after steroid or TRT suppression.
The three most common:
- HCG — mimics LH → stimulates testicles to produce testosterone internally
- FSH injections — directly stimulates sperm production
- Clomiphene citrate (Clomid) — boosts natural LH/FSH by blocking estrogen feedback
Evidence:
A study of men with prior testosterone use showed that HCG + Clomid + FSH helped many recover sperm production, with some achieving pregnancies.
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🧠 Why they don’t just “add something” while staying on testosterone
Because you cannot produce sperm while on TRT or steroids — the suppression is too strong.
Even adding HCG while staying on TRT rarely restores normal sperm production.
To regain fertility, the testicles must be re‑activated, which requires stopping external testosterone.
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🍼 Typical fertility‑restoration protocol (general medical info)
(Not personalized medical advice)
1. Stop testosterone / steroids
2. Start HCG to restart testicular testosterone
3. Add Clomid to boost LH/FSH
4. Add FSH injections if sperm count remains low
5. Monitor semen analysis every 2–3 months
This aligns with urology and reproductive medicine guidelines.
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🧩 If you want, I can go deeper
Which angle do you want next?
- How long fertility recovery usually takes
- What happens if someone stays on TRT and tries to conceive
- Whether HCG alone can maintain fertility on TRT
- A comparison of Clomid vs HCG vs FSH
I was just checking to see where your takes were coming from. I have no doubt that people using exogenous Test would stop WHEN they were trying to conceive. In your previous post you said they should NOT take test when they are young. But since there are tons of people who did take roids when they were young and then went on to have children, it shows the azoospermia is not permanent in most cases. Obviously excessive use cases are there but those are exceptions. Oh and I wasn't referring to only bodybuilders but regular people too. You see, I was thinking of how it is plausible that with the exogenous Test, they could end up mating with opportunities better than they could have had otherwise. That's what I meant by it being analogous to women doing cosmetic enhancements.
Some things are better left unknown...
