Cap color question

[Peptydes]

Does all product with the same cap color, sold by different vendors, come from the same run?

 

[byefatlicia]

This is debatable. Many believe as I do that there are few manufacturers and many vendors. I follow cap colors and their COAs from different vendors and believe that they are samey samey. Others may argue that COAs and Batches and cap colors are all manipulated. Who is right? How can we know for sure? That is the great dilemma.

 

[Chili777]

If you're asking because some vendor R10s with yellow caps have been tested and look "good" and your vendor has R10s with yellow caps, are you good to go? Depends how lucky you feel that day, I guess. Peppy's says cap colors are random and can change even within the same batch. Other people rely on it more.

The recent R20 issue with cloudiness because of excessive TFA salts residue was THREE different cap colors; purple, blue and red. So how lucky do you feel, if you want to rely on it?

 

[Peptydes]

Thanks for the reply. Actually, I’m new to this with only a few orders, and was curious how it works. Seeing the same color caps across multiple vendors led me to believe they are getting it from the same source.
I’ve actually joined a few upcoming testing groups for peps received and trying to recruit for another pep I have on order.
I understand a third party coa helps mitigate risk, but even in the same batch there is always potential issues/risk.
Thanks again. There’s a lot to learn with this new adventure.

 

[ibsir]

Like others have said, it's highly possible and even likely BUT, you should not assume they are from the same source. I would advise you to read up as much as you can on whichever vendor you're interested in, make sure they have an active Discord, and participate, or at least keep up with the group testing results. The best vendors are pretty consistent and will stand by their products.

 

[HereKittyKitty]

Your well on your way!

I think cap colors lean random AND there are far fewer manufacturers and finishers in the marketplace (at large, not just here) than the hoardes of sales reps might lead one to believe.

 

[CNCCurrency]

Does all product with the same cap color, sold by different vendors, come from the same run?

Simply put

 

[FarmgirlRebel]

Personally, I don't rely on cap color.
Have I EVER done that? yes, once but and it's a big but.
I knew another person who bought off the same vendor the same product at the close to the same time and they were sweet enough to share their testing with the group.

 

[ColdSmoke]

How about the same color caps on two different peptides in the same order, common?

 

[CJsMom]

I believe cap colors are pretty much meaningless. They may mean something to the manufacturer, like blue on Tuesday’s batch, or they may be just whatever color was loaded into the machine that day. The fact that some vendors let you get the color of your choice for a fee should tell you they don’t mean much.

 

[laansasa]

How about the same color caps on two different peptides in the same order, common?

I got the same cap color (white) on all 3 peps in 1 order. Apparently a few others of that US warehouse's peps were white capped around that time so color didn't mean much.

 

[5byfive]

Cap color is one indicator that a pep may be from the same batch. If two people order the same thing from the same vendor around the same time and the cap color is the same, you likely have the same batch. Sometimes we know that vendors share sourcing, like WBS and ERP, so again same cap color, product, and time, likely the same batch.

At the same time, earlier this year several vendors were selling T30 with orange caps. There were problems with the Jeep batch but the ones from ERP/WBS had different sourcing and no issues. So people took a real good look at any T30 with an orange cap becuse it could have indicated common sourcing.

So its not meaningless, but you have to be careful how much meaning you attach to it.

 

[Pep_Hobbyist]

This is debatable. Many believe as I do that there are few manufacturers and many vendors. I follow cap colors and their COAs from different vendors and believe that they are samey samey. Others may argue that COAs and Batches and cap colors are all manipulated. Who is right? How can we know for sure? That is the great dilemma.

I know this is kind of an old post, but from what I’ve learned dealing with China manufacturing in general, it would not surprise me if multiple sellers are sometimes pulling from the same few factories.


A lot of the sellers we deal with do not work for the actual factory. Many are trading companies or middlemen who have relationships with different manufacturers. That is not necessarily a bad thing. In many industries, the factory itself may not have English-speaking sales staff, international customer service, or the ability to deal directly with small overseas buyers.


So when we see several vendors with similar packaging, caps, COA formats, or timing, it could mean they are sourcing from the same manufacturer, or it could just mean they are using similar packaging suppliers. Cap color alone probably is not enough to prove anything either way.


My takeaway is that the vendor’s reputation, consistency, testing, handling of issues, and how transparent they are probably matter more than trying to reverse-engineer the source based on cap color. Same source does not always mean same quality control, storage, shipping, or accountability.


Still learning, but that’s how I understand it so far.

 

[BNLFL]

I know this is kind of an old post, but from what I’ve learned dealing with China manufacturing in general, it would not surprise me if multiple sellers are sometimes pulling from the same few factories.

Of course they are. A bunch of the GB organizers order from the same suppliers.

 

[byefatlicia]

I know this is kind of an old post, but from what I’ve learned dealing with China manufacturing in general, it would not surprise me if multiple sellers are sometimes pulling from the same few factories.


A lot of the sellers we deal with do not work for the actual factory. Many are trading companies or middlemen who have relationships with different manufacturers. That is not necessarily a bad thing. In many industries, the factory itself may not have English-speaking sales staff, international customer service, or the ability to deal directly with small overseas buyers.


So when we see several vendors with similar packaging, caps, COA formats, or timing, it could mean they are sourcing from the same manufacturer, or it could just mean they are using similar packaging suppliers. Cap color alone probably is not enough to prove anything either way.


My takeaway is that the vendor’s reputation, consistency, testing, handling of issues, and how transparent they are probably matter more than trying to reverse-engineer the source based on cap color. Same source does not always mean same quality control, storage, shipping, or accountability.


Still learning, but that’s how I understand it so far.

I still think cap colors that occur with multiple vendors is a useful thing to track. For the most part, you'll see very close COAs
I think JEEP got caught manipulating cap colors from their new source to make it seem samey samey, saving money on testing. The gamble was devastating to their reputation.