STAT article on BPC-157 this morning

birdwhacker said:
Very interesting story.

I hate that this type of medicine has to be associated with MAHA. I wish Senator Kennedy would keep his mouth closed regarding peptides and TRT, since his mentioning anything immediately reduces its credibility to the general populace.

I don't want anything that could help people being associated with politics. It's just so hard to separate it all, after the absolutely evil blunder that was Dem handling of Covid and the ongoing evil blunder on the other side of the coin.


Wouldn't surprise me at all. Been running BPC/KPV for about 3 weeks, recently added in full chain TB4, and when I shaved the other day I noticed that I had no pain at all with my cheap ass Walmart razor and didn't cut myself once. Normally I can feel the whiskers pulling and there's at least some pain when I'm not using the safety razor, but this time it's like my skin was thicker.

Of course that's beside the amazing recovery time and evaporated back pain.


The review that you posted talks about potential cancer-fighting benefits of the drug, but covers a meta-analysis of 25 randomized clinical trials investigating ivermectin to improve covid outcomes which found zilch. No change to patient outcomes or likelihood of ventilation.

Ivermectin is a fine drug. I have nothing against it, and I think it's stupid to villify it. I've taken it a few times myself. There's literally no downside to using it and the "it's a horse drug!" argument from the Dems was absolutely ridiculous.


The analysis that @Rolltide61 posted above actually mentions this study and notes that subsequent studies failed to replicate the results.

This study appears to be garbage science from Bangladesh sponsored by a drug manufacturer who sells ivermectin in that country. And, spoiler alert, they didn't control for parasitic infection. There are a lot of parasites in that part of the world, and taking an antiparasitic medication when you have parasites is going to boost your immune system like no tomorrow.

Maybe you should do some more research. Just because you find a study with the title that says what you're after doesn't mean that there's really any evidence. If you've taken it yourself and it blasted your COVID out of the water, I personally would be more interested to hear that than some bullshit science funded by a drug manufacturer. I took it while I was sick with covid and it didn't seem to do shit for me.

And if it did do something for you, how do you know you didn't have parasites? lots of Americans do.


Don't act so persecuted. The right has achieved cultural dominance and they control the government currently. You'll survive a little CNN.
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I actually did take it during Covid. No mask, no vaccines, never got covid. Even tho I did absolutely nothing else to prevent it. I had friends and family get it and I was around them, guess I’m immune
 
Rolltide61 said:
I apologize for being one of the people that have derailed your thread because it is a good one. I just can't put up w/ these people throwing out politics all the time and it's getting worse.
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I agree, let’s drop the left vs right BS. This is a peptides group, no politics. Sorry OP for the derailment
Edited to say that no matter how much arguing no one is changing their stance on this issue

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tcpnomad said:
Can you share your protocol? How much and cycle?
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I'm on 500mcg BPC/daily, TB-500 2mg/2xWk, and GHK-Cu 2mg/daily, for about 2 months.

When these Carts run out (I use pens), I figured on taking a break for 1.5 months. So that'll be 3mo on, 1.5mo off. Timing it to work with my work schedule. I work at a distant outpost far from home for months at a time; I'll resume the Wolverine when I return home, or possibly sooner if I see a degradation in my benefits.
 
tcpnomad said:
Can you share your protocol? How much and your cycle?
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BPC is most effective dosed twice daily. Most people do 0.5mg twice a day. I believe that 3x daily is more effective, but I'll save that for when I have injector pens.

TB, most people either dose it with the BPC or do about 5mg per week. TB4 is what you're after, that's the more expensive full molecule. TB500 is a fragment and what most chinese sellers have. They say that TB4 has a shorter half life, but most peptides are eliminated more or less instantly and seem to cause downstream effects. TB500 has a longer half life which is why some people suggest to take 2-5mg at a time on a weekly basis.
 
birdwhacker said:
BPC is most effective dosed twice daily. Most people do 0.5mg twice a day. I believe that 3x daily is more effective, but I'll save that for when I have injector pens.

TB, most people either dose it with the BPC or do about 5mg per week. TB4 is what you're after, that's the more expensive full molecule. TB500 is a fragment and what most chinese sellers have. They say that TB4 has a shorter half life, but most peptides are eliminated more or less instantly and seem to cause downstream effects. TB500 has a longer half life which is why some people suggest to take 2-5mg at a time on a weekly basis.
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I am very new. So, trying not to pin myself more than once a day. Maybe I'll get there at some point.
 
tcpnomad said:
Wow, really?! What effects do you feel?
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Just all aches and pains are gone. Going to sleep, waking up, working out, nothing. Washing the dishes used to kill my back and now I barely notice a dull ache after hours on my feet. Don't really have to stretch before running now either, I just do it once to crack my back and then I'm gone.

Not even running TB either. I ran a week of TB4 with it last week, but as far as I can tell BPC does the heavy lifting. Skin is also a lot better.

Epithalon did some incredible things for sleep as well and I desperately need more. I was waking up every day fully rested with zero grogginess and zero stiffness. Now I'm back to being groggy lol
 
birdwhacker said:
Just all aches and pains are gone. Going to sleep, waking up, working out, nothing. Washing the dishes used to kill my back and now I barely notice a dull ache after hours on my feet. Don't really have to stretch before running now either, I just do it once to crack my back and then I'm gone.

Not even running TB either. I ran a week of TB4 with it last week, but as far as I can tell BPC does the heavy lifting. Skin is also a lot better.

Epithalon did some incredible things for sleep as well and I desperately need more. I was waking up every day fully rested with zero grogginess and zero stiffness. Now I'm back to being groggy lol
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What time of day were you taking the epithalon? I've been taking it in the evening about an hour or so before bed and it seems to have made my sleep worse. I'd seen people on here raving about it and really hoped it would sort my terrible sleep out, but not so far. It's still early days though.
 
Fostradamus said:
What time of day were you taking the epithalon? I've been taking it in the evening about an hour or so before bed and it seems to have made my sleep worse. I'd seen people on here raving about it and really hoped it would sort my terrible sleep out, but not so far. It's still early days though.
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That's a shame. Give it a week at least.

I took mine in the evening time as well, as opposed to DSIP which I only pin in the dark right before I actually fall asleep. Wasn't strict with the epithalon, just evening time. I was also using taurine+glycine as well, which is another winning sleep combo.

I also made sure not to use melatonin while I was taking the epithalon. It definitely took a few days to see good effects.
 
birdwhacker said:
Just all aches and pains are gone. Going to sleep, waking up, working out, nothing. Washing the dishes used to kill my back and now I barely notice a dull ache after hours on my feet. Don't really have to stretch before running now either, I just do it once to crack my back and then I'm gone.

Not even running TB either. I ran a week of TB4 with it last week, but as far as I can tell BPC does the heavy lifting. Skin is also a lot better.

Epithalon did some incredible things for sleep as well and I desperately need more. I was waking up every day fully rested with zero grogginess and zero stiffness. Now I'm back to being groggy lol
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All of this, I haven’t noticed the skin improvements because I am on GHK-CU but everything else stated are the same benefits me and the hubby experienced.
 
birdwhacker said:
That's a shame. Give it a week at least.

I took mine in the evening time as well, as opposed to DSIP which I only pin in the dark right before I actually fall asleep. Wasn't strict with the epithalon, just evening time. I was also using taurine+glycine as well, which is another winning sleep combo.

I also made sure not to use melatonin while I was taking the epithalon. It definitely took a few days to see good effects.
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I've introduced DSIP into the mix for the last couple of nights. Hopefully it'll kick in tonight.
 
Fostradamus said:
I've introduced DSIP into the mix for the last couple of nights. Hopefully it'll kick in tonight.
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DSIP doesn't really do much. I recommend taking it a few minutes before you go to sleep, at 500mcg-1mg.

It just gives you more vivid dreams. Maybe slightly more restful sleep.
 
Rolltide61 said:
Really?

Ivermectin was first discovered in the 1970s by Japanese microbiologist Satoshi Omura and Irish parasitologist William C. Campbell. Ivermectin has become a versatile pharmaceutical over the past 50 years. Ivermectin is a derivative of avermectin originally used to treat parasitic infections. Emerging literature has suggested that its role goes beyond this and may help treat inflammatory conditions, viral infections, and cancers. Ivermectin’s anti-parasitic, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, and anticancer effects were explored. Its traditional mechanism of action in parasitic diseases, such as scabies and malaria, rests on its ability to interfere with the glutamate-gated chloride channels in invertebrates and the lack of P-glycoprotein in many parasites. More recently, it has been discovered that the ability of ivermectin to block the nuclear factor kappa-light-chain enhancer of the activated B (NF-κB) pathway that modulates the expression and production of proinflammatory cytokines is implicated in its role as an anti-inflammatory agent to treat rosacea. Ivermectin has also been evaluated for treating infections caused by viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2 and adenoviruses, through inhibition of viral protein transportation and acting on the importin α/β1 interface. It has also been suggested that ivermectin can inhibit the proliferation of tumorigenic cells through various pathways that lead to the management of certain cancers. The review aimed to evaluate its multifaceted effects and potential clinical applications beyond its traditional use as an anthelmintic agent.
You can see this and much more at this website:

Ivermectin: A Multifaceted Drug With a Potential Beyond Anti-parasitic Therapy - PMC

Ivermectin was first discovered in the 1970s by Japanese microbiologist Satoshi Omura and Irish parasitologist William C. Campbell. Ivermectin has become a versatile pharmaceutical over the past 50 years. Ivermectin is a derivative of avermectin ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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What I notice here; is that as most of the above mentioned uses are qualified with these words: "may help", "has been evaluated", and "has been suggested" these are not by any means definitive.. does this article state that it is effective at these new applications??
 
birdwhacker said:
Just all aches and pains are gone. Going to sleep, waking up, working out, nothing. Washing the dishes used to kill my back and now I barely notice a dull ache after hours on my feet. Don't really have to stretch before running now either, I just do it once to crack my back and then I'm gone.

Not even running TB either. I ran a week of TB4 with it last week, but as far as I can tell BPC does the heavy lifting. Skin is also a lot better.

Epithalon did some incredible things for sleep as well and I desperately need more. I was waking up every day fully rested with zero grogginess and zero stiffness. Now I'm back to being groggy lol
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What's the typical response to no longer taking it? back to regular aches and pains or is there a prolonged effect?
 
maokai said:
What's the typical response to no longer taking it? back to regular aches and pains or is there a prolonged effect?
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I couldn't tell you. Ask me again in like 30 days lol

People use it for healing, so I have to imagine that some of the aches are healed. Like when people are healing from surgeries and injuries. The rest, idk. I assume that multiple cycles yield improvement over time? But I won't be able to say for certain until I've got a few more years under my belt. Downside of being at the cutting edge.
 

desinr-gal said:
What I notice here; is that as most of the above mentioned uses are qualified with these words: "may help", "has been evaluated", and "has been suggested" these are not by any means definitive.. does this article state that it is effective at these new applications??
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Sounds like a pharma commercial doesn't it?
 
I feel like BPC would benefit my sweet old dog. However it’s one thing experimenting on myself but I have reservations about doing so on my dog! Anyone gone there and care to share experiences?
 
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