Is titrating up too fast unsafe?

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What are the risks of titrating up too fast on reta? I’m a big guy with super severe craving. My first week I pinned 1mg. Second week I did 2mg. Aside from one day feeling more full than normal, I have not had any real effects - good or bad.

What risks am I running if I were too inject 3mg for my third shot? Am I being too impatient and just need to give the drug time to work?
 
I’m sure others more qualified will weigh in - but I see risk of the side effects hitting harder. Fatigue, nausea some stomach cramping even with bowel motility.
Personally started slow at 0.5 - then 1 for a couple weeks, split over 2 doses. Must have taken 8 weeks to get up to 3mg weekly total. I never had any side effects but wasn’t in a rush.
Choice to split was to avoid or mitigate chance of side effects and take it slower. Worked for me and still does do I’ve kept at this.
 
Fwiw, I've had a telehealth "weight loss coach" for Tirz suggest taking an intro dose for 4 weeks, tracking your weight, and if no results in that time, move up to the next dosing size. Continue that process until you see results, and only move up the dose when progress stalls for two weeks straight.

I'm sure others have different methods, but that has worked well for me (and can't see why it would be different for reta)
 
Starting out below trial dosing with your description is the definition of retarded.

If you have no GLP experience I’d use some caution.


Frequent small doses are better than weekly big bumps you have to ride out for longer.
What do you mean starting below trial dosing? From my understand trials started at either 1mg or 2mg. Which is where I am.
 
Don't worry about the carp. If I was to get some mystery shit in the mail, that was supposed to be X (in your case reta). 1mg in .5ml bac, would be(and was) my initial/trial jab. If it didn't fuck me up in three or four days, I'd continue but on a plan. See/search reta trials, as mentioned above.
 
I bumped up too fast and had a week of barely going to the bathroom. Was very touchy and nervous situation. Because what i read said over 3 days see a doctor. Went to the doc and doc said as long as your intestines are moving food and youre able to fart you should be fine. Meanwhile dudes on here not pooping for 10 days! Trying to pass a log the size of the burg khalifa. God help them. Tldr be careful broseph
 
You need to study a bit on the half life of Reta and the blood concentration of sequential dosing over time. The way you're doing the ramp up nearly guarantees you'll overshoot your particular tolerance and experience a bout of whatever side effects you're prone to. My advice would be to just follow the tried and true 4 weeks between dosage increases. But if you really want to rush it, the safer way is to shorten the duration between doses, using small bump up doses, not jump the dose every week.

Play around with the blood concentration app at glp1plotter.com to see what I'm talking about.
 
I'll be increasing until there are symptoms in the RS.

Week 1: 2mg
Week 2: 2mg
Week 3: 4mg
Week 4: 4mg

Planned
Week 5: 6mg
Week 6: 6mg
Week 7: 6mg
Week 8: 8mg
Week 9: 8mg
Week 10: 8mg
Week 11: 8mg
Week 12: 8mg
Week 13: 10mg
Week 14: 10mg
Week 15: 12mg & continue indefinitely

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I'll be increasing until there are symptoms in the RS.

Week 1: 2mg
Week 2: 2mg
Week 3: 4mg
Week 4: 4mg

Planned
Week 5: 6mg
Week 6: 6mg
Week 7: 6mg
Week 8: 8mg
Week 9: 8mg
Week 10: 8mg
Week 11: 8mg
Week 12: 8mg
Week 13: 10mg
Week 14: 10mg
Week 15: 12mg & continue indefinitely
I’ve read 12mg really isn’t event necessary. I’d be interested to hear your experience from 10mg and up once you hit those levels
 
Stay at 2mg for a month, then go up to 4 if you like.

I started at 1mg every 3 days, and after a month I went up to 2mg every 3 days (4.66mg per week).

I've been on this dose for about 7 weeks now and I actually just had to reduce my dose because I can barely eat.

Side effects were never a big problem. I started at 0.5mg and quickly "titrated" up to the starting dose over the span of 7 days.
 
I'll be increasing until there are symptoms in the RS.

Week 1: 2mg
Week 2: 2mg
Week 3: 4mg
Week 4: 4mg

Planned
Week 5: 6mg
Week 6: 6mg
Week 7: 6mg
Week 8: 8mg
Week 9: 8mg
Week 10: 8mg
Week 11: 8mg
Week 12: 8mg
Week 13: 10mg
Week 14: 10mg
Week 15: 12mg & continue indefinitely

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Reality is going to hit you like a train unless you're like 600lbs.
 
What are the risks of titrating up too fast on reta? I’m a big guy with super severe craving. My first week I pinned 1mg. Second week I did 2mg. Aside from one day feeling more full than normal, I have not had any real effects - good or bad.

What risks am I running if I were too inject 3mg for my third shot? Am I being too impatient and just need to give the drug time to work?
If you're going to ramp more quickly, definitely "microdose" and use a 3day or longer schedule. Use a GLP1 blood level tracker to understand how much is in your system, but understand that the effects/"feelz" will take 24-72hr to peak. That means both appetite suppression (and glycogen metabolism) along with side effects like burping, HR increase, constipation, diarrhea, nausea, allodynia, anhedonia and sudden death will take time to appear. Don't take more until you know you're past your effects peak or you risk a hospital visit!

Personally other than the very first dose, I would never titrate faster than ~10% per dose, which is about the error in your knowledge of whats in the syringe anyway!

For example the fastest you might dose would be:
1 2mg
4 1mg
7 1.1mg
10 1.2mg
13 1.3mg
17 1.4mg
20 1.5mg
23 1.7mg
26 1.8mg
29 2mg ... 2.2...2.4...2.6...2.9...3.2...3.5...3.9...4.3...
Note that each week you're doing just about what the standard titration schedule is: 2 in the first week after 1st dose and 4mg starting the 5th week of titration. However, you're keeping your peak lower than standard while raising your minimum level faster. STOP and wait 3 extra days if you have ANY significant symptoms other than appetite suppression, or if you're unable to get >1000cal 20gr fiber and 80gr of protein on any day. Then go back no higher than the previous dose when symptoms subside. Keep your peak blood levels below that for at least another week or even 2. It's a marathon not a sprint (even if it is a bit of a race). If you're not feeling anything 6-9weeks (and 30mg) in, I'd start to wonder about what you actually have in the vial.
 
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It's not THAT different from the original trial data.

  • Weeks 1-4: 2 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 5-8: 4 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 9-12: 8 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 13 onward: 12 mg once weekly

I'll hit the 12mg ceiling 2 weeks later in week 15.
I'm hitting 4mg faster and adding 6mg to smooth the 8mg transition.
 
It's not THAT different from the original trial data.

  • Weeks 1-4: 2 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 5-8: 4 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 9-12: 8 mg once weekly
  • Weeks 13 onward: 12 mg once weekly

I'll hit the 12mg ceiling 2 weeks later in week 15.
I'm hitting 4mg faster and adding 6mg to smooth the 8mg transition.
Will you keep going up even if you feel like you don't need to? I think the difference between trial data and reality is that we can find our own sweet spot
 
Unless there are complications with symptoms, we're going all in.

It's difficult to hear "lowest effective dose" when it comes to Reta when the data clearly shows that using more, is more effective.
 
Starting out below trial dosing with your description is the definition of retarded.

If you have no GLP experience I’d use some caution.


Frequent small doses are better than weekly big bumps you have to ride out for longer.
Thanks for posting this. I’ll say this here often, a ton of these new members with these low doses, just seem to make up their doses. I’ll ask where they got that info, but never answer. They likely have never read about GLP1’s or the studies. I’m no major expert, but drives me insane.
What do you mean starting below trial dosing? From my understand trials started at either 1mg or 2mg. Which is where I am.
Pretty sure he wasn’t talking about you.
 
It's with nothing that in the phase 3 trials, one group was started at 4mg. If you can find out what side effects they experienced, you might have your answer.

I'd be inclined to start out conservatively and see if that produces the results you want. It's not good for your health to lose weight too quickly.
 
Reality is going to hit you like a train unless you're like 600lbs.

Eh, maybe.

I went from 5mg of Tirz (week 4 of Tirz) to Reta. I hit the equivalent of 8mg/week steady state exposure in 5.3 weeks and 12mg/week steady state exposure in just under 12 weeks. No meaningful sides, so I kept going.
 
Eh, maybe.

I went from 5mg of Tirz (week 4 of Tirz) to Reta. I hit the equivalent of 8mg/week steady state exposure in 5.3 weeks and 12mg/week steady state exposure in just under 12 weeks. No meaningful sides, so I kept going.
I assumed he was GLP naïve. Obviously if you've taken a GLP before you can jump up.

@dolph have you taken a GLP before?
 
I had 4 weeks of Tirz @ 2.5mg prior to switching to Reta @ 2mg. So, I suppose there's a month prior to the Reta numbers that may have helped buffer the switch?
 
What are the risks of titrating up too fast on reta? I’m a big guy with super severe craving. My first week I pinned 1mg. Second week I did 2mg. Aside from one day feeling more full than normal, I have not had any real effects - good or bad.

What risks am I running if I were too inject 3mg for my third shot? Am I being too impatient and just need to give the drug time to work?
How long did you take to overeat your way to where you are now?
Quit rushing and slowly titrate up while changing the lifestyle habits you MUST change or else just flush the peps down the toilet as they'll be a tiny bandaid for your self professed "big guy" issue.
Tough love is still love, brother- ❤️
 
First of all get glp plotter and have a play with what different doses and timings look like on the graph. Understand the pharmacokinetics of the drug, GLP's are totally different to virtually any other drug in that regard, so it is not obvious or intuitive. It takes about 24 hours to get to peak blood levels after a dose and it takes 6 days to drop back down to half that level. At the same weekly dose levels will build up in your system for 4 weeks, so worst side effects are typically 24 hours after a dose, but can get worse due to the build up so it can be worst on the 3rd or 4th dose at the same dose. If you do not understand this , stick to the standard recipes.

Rapid escalation is really only safeish using small frequent doses, as it should only take a day or 2 to have blood levels drop back to predose levels if dosing 2-3 x a week.

The problem with increasing doses faster, especially with weekly doses is getting hit like a brick with nausea and vomiting or diarrhoea or constipation, and due to the long half life these can last a week. By far the most common serious thing to go wrong with GLP's grey or legit is ending up in hospital on a drip for dehydration from persistent vomiting, and it is not at all rare. I am ignoring the other side effects as they do not often hit as suddenly or severely as nausea and vomiting.

Going up doses more slowly or with smaller more frequent doses does not really change what side effects you end up getting or at what doses, but they are less likely to hit suddenly and severely. At a given dose , say 3mg or 4mg, you start getting mild nausea and some appetite suppression, what this should tell you is to slow down the dose increases as it will get worse when you increase the dose. Individual responses to GLPs are very variable, one person might get no nausea at 10mg and another vomiting at 2mg.

I used second day dosing of tirz to go from 0 to 15mg in a month when I swapped over from ozempic, it can be done, but it does carry higher risks, and is more risky if you have not previously taken any other GLP drug. But you need to ask yourself is getting to a working dose more quickly worth the risk of losing a week off work and a small but non zero increased risk of needing medical treatment for bad side effects.

If you really want to do it, I would go with 1mg every second day which works out to 3.5mg/ week, then increase to 1.5mg/2days - 5.25mg/week ( x3.5 to get weekly dose ), within 1- 2 weeks you will very likely start seeing effects or side effects and then once that happens slow right down. It gets you to a reasonable dose fairly fast with low but non zero risk of sudden severe unexpected side effects. Once you end up at a dose you are happy with you can start converting it to weekly dosing if you want , just by gradually increasing one of the doses and decreasing the others. In my experience , this works quite well, with each step up in dose being much smaller than any of the standard approaches, which ideally gives you a bit of a heads up on what might happen if you keep increasing doses, but slowing down or stopping dose increases once side effects happen is critical.

Not sure how overweight you are, but these drugs are a long term treatment for most people and especially for those they are designed for, those with severe obesity or obesity related medical conditions, and for most keeping the weight off long term requires taking them long term. A few weeks or months spent slowly ramping up doses is not going to make a huge difference to a treatment that might be life long. The other advantage GLP drugs have compared to normal diet and exercise approaches to losing weight is that ideally you will only need to lose the weight once, and if you stay on the drugs after you get to your plateau weight , you should be able to stay there forever hopefully.
 
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I'll be increasing until there are symptoms in the RS.

Week 1: 2mg
Week 2: 2mg
Week 3: 4mg
Week 4: 4mg

Planned
Week 5: 6mg
Week 6: 6mg
Week 7: 6mg
Week 8: 8mg
Week 9: 8mg
Week 10: 8mg
Week 11: 8mg
Week 12: 8mg
Week 13: 10mg
Week 14: 10mg
Week 15: 12mg & continue indefinitely

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This is EXACTLY the compulsive behavior I want to change by taking Tirz. Soooo you're gonna stop overeating by overmedicating? You'll find that the efficacy drops sooner than the lbs and then I guess you'll just add more meds and be the guy in here saying I take max dose of Reta and Tirz together and now I also take these 6 other peps too. Why man? WHY???? Slow and steady will work to get it off just like it did to put the lbs on. Doesn't sound right to say I'm gonna increase until I'm sick and that will tell me when to stop. Bad plan that will yield bad results.

One new guy to another...RESTRAIN YOURSELF! I just took shot 6 Wednesday of Tirz. I'm at .50 and I've lost 26lbs in the past 5wks by changing the way I think and what I put in my mouth. I haven't even started working out yet. I'm a big guy too. Started at 386lbs and I'm now 360lbs and I'm 55yrs old and 6'2". My habits have changed and my mentality has too. That is the true accomplishment. Binge pinning is likely just as bad as binge eating. Change your thinking and you will safely go through this process and never go back to the old ways of viewing food and thinking more is better with everything.
 
This is EXACTLY the compulsive behavior I want to change by taking Tirz. Soooo you're gonna stop overeating by overmedicating? You'll find that the efficacy drops sooner than the lbs and then I guess you'll just add more meds and be the guy in here saying I take max dose of Reta and Tirz together and now I also take these 6 other peps too. Why man? WHY???? Slow and steady will work to get it off just like it did to put the lbs on. Doesn't sound right to say I'm gonna increase until I'm sick and that will tell me when to stop. Bad plan that will yield bad results.

One new guy to another...RESTRAIN YOURSELF! I just took shot 6 Wednesday of Tirz. I'm at .50 and I've lost 26lbs in the past 5wks by changing the way I think and what I put in my mouth. I haven't even started working out yet. I'm a big guy too. Started at 386lbs and I'm now 360lbs and I'm 55yrs old and 6'2". My habits have changed and my mentality has too. That is the true accomplishment. Binge pinning is likely just as bad as binge eating. Change your thinking and you will safely go through this process and never go back to the old ways of viewing food and thinking more is better with everything.
Well done on your weight loss. I really do not agree with your approach, the way I see it is, unless you are a super super responder to tirz, you are taking a placebo dose ( it says 0.5mg of tirz ) and using diet and exercise to lose weight. And there is no doubt that this can work, at least in the short term. The problem is that only a small percentage of people succeed in permanently altering their diet and exercise patterns and then maintain that weight loss long term, most put the weight back on sooner or later. If the new state with changed thinking takes constant mental effort to sustain, then in my experience having lost and regained weight many times, and from the research, this mental effort is a process that wears out, and most people gradually fall back into older established patterns of behaviour and regain the weight.

GLP drugs used as intended are an escape from this cycle, and most people using them can achieve significant weight loss and maintain it long term if they stay on the drugs. It does not require any special mental effort, just an injection a week so does not suffer from the problems that effort based cognitive control of eating does. GLP drugs tend to encourage improved food choices without conscious effort as well. Adopting better eating habits and exercising while taking GLP drugs is a good idea, but it is not needed for them to work, they reduce appetite to generate a calorie deficit so weight loss happens.

I hope you can achieve the weight loss and health improvements you want from your current plan, but in my opinion it would be easier to achieve and much more likely to be sustainable long term on a functional dose of tirz. It also has the advantage of reducing risks of a very large number of obesity related illnesses partly through weight loss and partly as a direct drug effect independent of weight loss, most importantly cardiovascular disease.
 
When I started out on tirz, my doctor wanted me to start at 5mg...I started at 2.5mg...for me, it wasn't about results, it was about seeing how I felt on the tirz...I threw up the first weekend. I am drug sensitive and knew it was a process, not a race...I'm at 7.5mg now and rarely have symptoms...OP, take your time and work into it. GLP if you are committed is a long term/life commitment...learn and do it right....GL!
 

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