R10 vs. R20 Puck Size/Weight (Amo)

[runawayjim123]

Does the amount of R impact the overall weight of the powder? Or is the powder mostly made of filler?

I ask because I ordered R10 from amo in September and R20 from amo recently. As tested by Vanguard, both are similar purity (99.86 vs. 99.61), similar weight (10.17 vs. 10.05) and the pucks appear identical in size (see photo).

So is the R20 powder twice as potent as the R10? Or have I received R10 both times despite the second set of kits being labeled R20?

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

It’s mostly filler. The actual peptide is minuscule.

 

[scarywood75]

The measure you gave are in grams? You realize that the actual product is in milligrams, so 1/1000 of a gram?

1mg is 0.001g (your scale is most likely not even precise enough to measure that).

Now the vials themselves when empty don't weight exactly the same from one to another, a 1% difference is pretty good. Assuming the vials themselves weight about 6g, 1% of that is 60mg.

On top of that, they could use different stopper, different cap, etc.

10mg is absolutely nothing as you can see here, if you take the above into account, there's no way you can measure that with a scale.

As @MrsRoper_1977 said, almost all the powder is just excipients. Even if you measure the excipients you would most likely not know, I'm not sure if they use proportional measurement or if they always add the same amount regardless of the amount of peptide.

 

[scarywood75]

The only way to know what you got is send it for testing, if it was that easy to figure that out people would not pay 300$ for that test

 

[Peevee]

The only way to know what you got is send it for testing, if it was that easy to figure that out people would not pay 300$ for that test

Even more for Reta, for some reason

 

[runawayjim123]

The measure you gave are in grams? You realize that the actual product is in milligrams, so 1/1000 of a gram?

1mg is 0.001g (your scale is most likely not even precise enough to measure that).

Now the vials themselves when empty don't weight exactly the same from one to another, a 1% difference is pretty good. Assuming the vials themselves weight about 6g, 1% of that is 60mg.

On top of that, they could use different stopper, different cap, etc.

10mg is absolutely nothing as you can see here, if you take the above into account, there's no way you can measure that with a scale.

As @MrsRoper_1977 said, almost all the powder is just excipients. Even if you measure the excipients you would most likely not know, I'm not sure if they use proportional measurement or if they always add the same amount regardless of the amount of peptide.

Mg, the weighing was done by Vanguard labs.

 

[runawayjim123]

Even more for Reta, for some reason

I tested both with Vanguard in Olympia, WA, that is where the data in my original post came from.

 

[runawayjim123]

The only way to know what you got is send it for testing, if it was that easy to figure that out people would not pay 300$ for that test

Yes, both samples were sent for testing to Vanguard, that is where the weights and purities came from.

 

[Peevee]

I tested both with Vanguard in Olympia, WA, that is where the data in my original post came from.

Vanguard is not trustworthy.

 

[scarywood75]

I tested both with Vanguard in Olympia, WA, that is where the data in my original post came from.

Oh gotcha, than yeah it's not normal then, either they messed up or Amo did

 

[penewbie]

Yes, both samples were sent for testing to Vanguard, that is where the weights and purities came from.

Vangaurd are not a good lab. Shown to be fudging numbers. Read up in the Swiss discord if you'd like.

 

[Peevee]

Vangaurd are not a good lab. Shown to be fudging numbers. Read up in the Swiss discord if you'd like.

I would go so far as to say this entire thread is moot because it’s based on vanguard results

 

[nonyabizznez]

I'm confused. Are you comparing the weight of the actual vial "(10.17 vs. 10.05)" and visually seeing similar amounts and asking if for example a 5mg vial has a less net contents then a 60mg vial? Or are you telling us your testing company says you didn't receive 20mg, you got 10mg?

 

[nonyabizznez]

So is the R20 powder twice as potent as the R10? Or have I received R10 both times despite the second set of kits being labeled R20?

I'm confused. Are you comparing the weight of the actual vial "(10.17 vs. 10.05)" and visually seeing similar amounts and asking if for example a 5mg vial has a less net contents then a 60mg vial? Or are you telling us your testing company says you didn't receive 20mg, you got 10mg?

 

[Peevee]

I'm confused. Are you comparing the weight of the actual vial "(10.17 vs. 10.05)" and visually seeing similar amounts and asking if for example a 5mg vial has a less net contents then a 60mg vial? Or are you telling us your testing company says you didn't receive 20mg, you got 10mg?

He’s asking why a 20mg and 10mg vial both contained roughly 10 grams of filler, yes

 

[TooBigtoFail]

Is mainly Mannitol filler, protects the pep during freezing, etc. Without it, you would think its empty. When I buy 20mg of a pep from QSC, I often get 20mg-22mg. They overfill. Should not get 10mg. Jano has no problem separating the mannitol and list the true fill quantity on a COA. If you trust your lab, complain to amo. You have proof in hand that both vials are 10mg. It is not like the potency of alcohol at 20% vs 40%. Here you are buying by weight.

 

[RedSkip]

Vanguard is known to be a lab with poor testing results/procedures. You might need to send to another lab before Amo accepts the results.

Edit: Seems other members already stated this, sorry for the repetition.

 

[runawayjim123]

I'm confused. Are you comparing the weight of the actual vial "(10.17 vs. 10.05)" and visually seeing similar amounts and asking if for example a 5mg vial has a less net contents then a 60mg vial? Or are you telling us your testing company says you didn't receive 20mg, you got 10mg?

The latter, my testing company says I received 10mg instead of 20. But since my testing company is crap, I’ll have to pick another.

 

[runawayjim123]

He’s asking why a 20mg and 10mg vial both contained roughly 10 grams of filler, yes

I think I was trying to avoid the reality that I’ll have to pay another testing company and blow another 20mg vial on a new test…:-(

 

[normal]

Do you mind to post the results so we can take a look?

 

[scarywood75]

Do you mind to post the results so we can take a look?

Yeah that way it's gonna clear up any confusion lol

 

[GimmeABreak]

I think I was trying to avoid the reality that I’ll have to pay another testing company and blow another 20mg vial on a new test…:-(

Well you can try pinning based on a 20mg fill and see if you notice a difference for your normal feelz for that dose. If it feels weak, then try the dose based on a 10mg fill (or something in the middle). That is really the only you will be able to use the kit without paying for another test.

 

[nonyabizznez]

I think I was trying to avoid the reality that I’ll have to pay another testing company and blow another 20mg vial on a new test…:-(

I'm curious, when you submit for testing did you tell them the claimed contents?

 

[AndyPanda]

The latter, my testing company says I received 10mg instead of 20. But since my testing company is crap, I’ll have to pick another.

I have had negative experiences with Amo in the past. I didn’t get my stuff tested, but it was definitely weaker than any other vendor I have used.

 

[Grannuaile]

I am sorry — help me understand your goal — you saw it and expected double the contents as it is double the medicine? That is easy to understand. But you still haven’t used any yet, right?

I have gotten only one kit from Amo so far, but it is great.

Why not go ahead and see if there is a problem.

Don’t trouble trouble, unless trouble troubles you!

 

[Nikki nik]

This is the fun part about researching! You paid for testing. Now it's time to pin and figure out which is which. Since sending for more testing is not an option

 

[YoYoFat]

The latter, my testing company says I received 10mg instead of 20. But since my testing company is crap, I’ll have to pick another.

You can have two vials that have the same size pucks that have different mass of peptide. For example, a 10mg and a 60mg Tirz will look the same.

But it sounds like you have two vials, one that’s supposed to be 10mg and another that is supposed to be 20mg, but both tested as 10mg. Right?

 

[keangkong]

My prediction: If you send it to Janoshik or Peptide Test, they'll provide you with a weight that's quite close to 20 mg. My predictions are often wrong; that's why you need to test.

 

[brisket]

Vangaurd are not a good lab. Shown to be fudging numbers. Read up in the Swiss discord if you'd like.

Where can I find this discord