SLU-PP-332 as a Workout Replacement

Might try a round of kisspeptin to get my test up. IM injections of the real thing just scare the crap out of me.
I've been on prescribed TRT for ~6mos, my doc was fine with either subq or IM. I tried IM a couple of times but didn't notice any improvement over subq, so I'm exclusively subq now. Testosterone is oil-based and so more viscous than a peptide injection, but really not bad to pin. I use a 1/2" 27g insulin syringe. I will say that I pin peps in my belly usually, but found the occasional lumps from test to be really uncomfortable in the belly, so I alternate between upper thighs or glutes now.
 
I've been on prescribed TRT for ~6mos, my doc was fine with either subq or IM. I tried IM a couple of times but didn't notice any improvement over subq, so I'm exclusively subq now.
Ok, y'all are making me slightly less terrified of trying. Good to know!
 
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Is this what you guys talk about in the locker room? It is really advanced. Maybe this type of talk only happens in the Chem building on campus . . .

Regardless, I feel like I just fell into a grad level course, and surprisingly, I am enjoying it . . . Thanks to all.
 
I asked a friend who is studying biochem to become a doctor how they think SLU works. This is a summary of their response:

It probably acts through the Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma coactivator 1-alpha (PGC-1α). It's a protein that in humans is encoded by the PPARGC1A gene.

PGC-1α is the master regulator of mitochondria biogenesis (the increasing of mitochondria count in the body). PGC-1α is also the primary regulator of liver gluconeogensis, inducing increased gene expression for gluconeogenesis. AKA you process carbs better.
PPARGC1A has been shown to interact with:
  • Estrogen-related receptor alpha (ERRα), estrogen-related receptor beta (ERR-β), estrogen-related receptor gamma (ERR-γ).
Which SLU has shown tendencies to interactive with ERR-alpha

ERRα regulates genes involved in mitochondrial biogenesis, gluconeogenesis, oxidative phosphorylation, fatty acid metabolism, and brown adipose tissue thermogenesis.

The following is now my theory, based on this info, as to why SLU might work for some, but not others.

1. Amount of brown adipose tissue. There are two types of fat, brown fat, and white fat. Brown fat allows easy access to energy from fat stores, white fat does not. Brown fat % decreases as one ages. There are methods to brown fat, like taking beta-3 agonists like mirabergon. Some people, i.e younger folks, might see better results from SLU because of this. If you're older, look into mirabergon to brown a % of your white fat.

2. Insulin Sensitivy. If you are already insulin sensitive, or perhaps use SLU when fasted, taking it to upregulate gluconegensis might put you in a state of ketosis / using fat for energy. If your insulin sensitivity is poor (i.e you are insulin resistant), it might just lower you to a still bad number. Some might not see large benefits as even with SLU, they might still have diabetitc levels of fasting insulin.

3. I discussed this one eariler, density of ERR Alpha cells. ERRα has wide tissue distribution but it is most highly expressed in tissues that preferentially use fatty acids as energy sources such as kidney, heart, brown adipose tissue, cerebellum, intestine, and muscles. Thus more muscle mass, more brown adipose tissue, and larger organs (perhaps from excessive HGH use.... speaking from experience) might get better results than others as they have more ERR Alpha Cells.

The biochemist said he'll look into it more after his mid terms. I'll update my thoughts / theories as I get more info.

As for why I think the studies used injectable, again all conjecture on my behalf, I'll share my current thoughts I pondered while not paying attention to a meeting I was in.

Solubility. Drugs that have good bioavailability are soluble in aqueous solutions (aka water, stomach acid). Speaking from experience SLU has absolutely dog shit solubility in aqueous solutions. Literally adding 0.1 mls of saline out of 1 ml to the freeze dried SLU brought it out of solution. A saving grace would be how soluble SLU is in acid. Since I am familiar with Hydrocholric Acid, which is a fairly strong acid of PH 1.6 (lower PH = stronger acid), seems like a good place to start.

"SLU-PP-332 is not soluble in hydrochloric acid; it is primarily soluble in DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) due to its polar nature, and adding hydrochloric acid would likely cause precipitation of the compound as it is not designed to dissolve in acidic environments"

Due to these two reasons, I highly doubt SLU has a very high oral availability if just ingested in a cap. In a solution on the other hand, that might change things. Something to look into another day.
 
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Update I just posted elsewhere:

TIL: DMSO is not for me. Before slathering on my full dosage of slupp salve for the morning, I tested a few drops on my forearm. At an 80/20 concentration of DMSO/moonshine (which came in at just under 180 proof) with 20mg/1ml slupp solution, even just a few drops burns like nettles. No open, oozing wounds or anything -- just like a bad sunburn with a slight rash at the site of application.
 
Update I just posted elsewhere:

TIL: DMSO is not for me. Before slathering on my full dosage of slupp salve for the morning, I tested a few drops on my forearm. At an 80/20 concentration of DMSO/moonshine (which came in at just under 180 proof) with 20mg/1ml slupp solution, even just a few drops burns like nettles. No open, oozing wounds or anything -- just like a bad sunburn with a slight rash at the site of application.
Max concentration for toxicity concerns is 10/90 dmso/whatever works
 
i'm intrigued about the DMSO.
i ran across a writeup that says it destroys fat cells in similar fashion to lemon bottle.
 
Nope, you wanted to make high MG/ ML. You need very high DMSO for that. Higher the ethanol, the lower the concentration can be.
Yeah the math ain't troubling me as far as slupp concentration, but maybe I'm misunderstanding when you mention 10/90 DMSO/whatever as max for toxicity concerns. This stuff is miles away from my wheelhouse, so I probably shouldn't pretend to understand without looking up terminology first.
 
Yeah the math ain't troubling me as far as slupp concentration, but maybe I'm misunderstanding when you mention 10/90 DMSO/whatever as max for toxicity concerns. This stuff is miles away from my wheelhouse, so I probably shouldn't pretend to understand without looking up terminology first.
Percentages of the mixture by volume. 10% dmso / 90% composed of whatever that slu pp 332 is soluble in
 
I asked a friend who is studying biochem to become a doctor how they think SLU works. This is a summary of their response:

It probably acts through the Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma coactivator 1-alpha (PGC-1α). It's a protein that in humans is encoded by the PPARGC1A gene.

PGC-1α is the master regulator of mitochondria biogenesis (the increasing of mitochondria count in the body). PGC-1α is also the primary regulator of liver gluconeogensis, inducing increased gene expression for gluconeogenesis. AKA you process carbs better.
PPARGC1A has been shown to interact with:
  • Estrogen-related receptor alpha (ERRα), estrogen-related receptor beta (ERR-β), estrogen-related receptor gamma (ERR-γ).
Which SLU has shown tendencies to interactive with ERR-alpha

ERRα regulates genes involved in mitochondrial biogenesis, gluconeogenesis, oxidative phosphorylation, fatty acid metabolism, and brown adipose tissue thermogenesis.

The following is now my theory, based on this info, as to why SLU might work for some, but not others.

1. Amount of brown adipose tissue. There are two types of fat, brown fat, and white fat. Brown fat allows easy access to energy from fat stores, white fat does not. Brown fat % decreases as one ages. There are methods to brown fat, like taking beta-3 agonists like mirabergon. Some people, i.e younger folks, might see better results from SLU because of this. If you're older, look into mirabergon to brown a % of your white fat.

2. Insulin Sensitivy. If you are already insulin sensitive, or perhaps use SLU when fasted, taking it to upregulate gluconegensis might put you in a state of ketosis / using fat for energy. If your insulin sensitivity is poor (i.e you are insulin resistant), it might just lower you to a still bad number. Some might not see large benefits as even with SLU, they might still have diabetitc levels of fasting insulin.

3. I discussed this one eariler, density of ERR Alpha cells. ERRα has wide tissue distribution but it is most highly expressed in tissues that preferentially use fatty acids as energy sources such as kidney, heart, brown adipose tissue, cerebellum, intestine, and muscles. Thus more muscle mass, more brown adipose tissue, and larger organs (perhaps from excessive HGH use.... speaking from experience) might get better results than others as they have more ERR Alpha Cells.

The biochemist said he'll look into it more after his mid terms. I'll update my thoughts / theories as I get more info.

As for why I think the studies used injectable, again all conjecture on my behalf, I'll share my current thoughts I pondered while not paying attention to a meeting I was in.

Solubility. Drugs that have good bioavailability are soluble in aqueous solutions (aka water, stomach acid). Speaking from experience SLU has absolutely dog shit solubility in aqueous solutions. Literally adding 0.1 mls of saline out of 1 ml to the freeze dried SLU brought it out of solution. A saving grace would be how soluble SLU is in acid. Since I am familiar with Hydrocholric Acid, which is a fairly strong acid of PH 1.6 (lower PH = stronger acid), seems like a good place to start.

"SLU-PP-332 is not soluble in hydrochloric acid; it is primarily soluble in DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) due to its polar nature, and adding hydrochloric acid would likely cause precipitation of the compound as it is not designed to dissolve in acidic environments"

Due to these two reasons, I highly doubt SLU has a very high oral availability if just ingested in a cap. In a solution on the other hand, that might change things. Something to look into another day.
This is really interesting, makes me really want to find some mirabegron. I've been looking ever since I saw that fat loss tier video the Anabolic Round Table did, I watched it live and still couldn't find a source lol.

As an aside I've been thinking about trying ss31. I honestly don't think I'm a good candidate for the mitochondria repair aspect, but I'm still curious. It may be a way to test that idea even. Off to research ss31 effects on brown fat specifically.... and keep looking for mirabegron/betmiga :D
 
This is really interesting, makes me really want to find some mirabegron. I've been looking ever since I saw that fat loss tier video the Anabolic Round Table did, I watched it live and still couldn't find a source lol.

As an aside I've been thinking about trying ss31. I honestly don't think I'm a good candidate for the mitochondria repair aspect, but I'm still curious. It may be a way to test that idea even. Off to research ss31 effects on brown fat specifically.... and keep looking for mirabegron/betmiga :D
I'm getting a little concerned about chasing down a never ending series of drugs, personally. Slupp & Ostarine to help focus the GLP-1s, mirabegron to make the slupp more effective, TRT to avoid the testosterone crash with Ostarine... Not sure how willing I am to keep chasing.
 
I'm getting a little concerned about chasing down a never ending series of drugs, personally. Slupp & Ostarine to help focus the GLP-1s, mirabegron to make the slupp more effective, TRT to avoid the testosterone crash with Ostarine... Not sure how willing I am to keep chasing.
You know what's simplier than drugs?

A calorie deficit.

Drugs don't create good long term habits. Finding a diet and lifestyle that works for you is the most maintainable method.

Put your food on a scale, put that number in an app. Eat whole foods. Only eat lean meats. Exercise.

Weight yourself daily. Take the average at the end of the week. If you aren't losing weight, drop calories by 3500 a week aka 500 a day. 3500 calories = 1 lbs.

PEDs and drugs work. But they work a whole lot better on a fine tuned diet and exercise regime.
 
I'm getting a little concerned about chasing down a never ending series of drugs, personally. Slupp & Ostarine to help focus the GLP-1s, mirabegron to make the slupp more effective, TRT to avoid the testosterone crash with Ostarine... Not sure how willing I am to keep chasing.

Lol, right? Often times I come back to just taking ECA, but I'm afraid it will make my gerd worse so I'm looking at options.

On the mirabegron front. I was able to track some down, finally, but upon further digging I'm not so sure it would be worth while. Couldn't find really any positive results, only person saying it's any good is Steve, so probably not enough for me.

At this point I think I'll keep an eye on slu-pp-332 like I had planned. Waiting for progress on an injectable. In the meantime I'll keep running Reta and go down the ss31/mots-c path if I add anything at all.
 
You know what's simplier than drugs?

A calorie deficit.

Drugs don't create good long term habits. Finding a diet and lifestyle that works for you is the most maintainable method.

Put your food on a scale, put that number in an app. Eat whole foods. Only eat lean meats. Exercise.

Weight yourself daily. Take the average at the end of the week. If you aren't losing weight, drop calories by 3500 a week aka 500 a day. 3500 calories = 1 lbs.

PEDs and drugs work. But they work a whole lot better on a fine tuned diet and exercise regime.

Definitely agree with this! I always tell people find a diet and lifestyle you can stick too, calories in-calories out. What works for.me.not not work for tou and vise:versa. I been weighing myself daily for ages. I know a lot of people say weekly weigh ins, shit some say 2-4 weeks and only go by the mirror. Daily ftw, I like to know I'm on track heading into the weekend. Sometimes I'll fast 1 day to get back on schedule.

On the supps/peps front. I'm hoping they push me beyond what my calcs call out, which so far reta is not doing. I'm losing weight at my calculated rate, .3lb a day avg, was hoping for .4lb a day avg. But cravings are zilch and I haven't done a single minute of fasted cardio. Soooo, maybe reta is doing more than I think. When I add in FC I would like my avg to move into that .4lb day avg but I may end up introducing it when I stall and be back at .3lb.
 
Definitely agree with this! I always tell people find a diet and lifestyle you can stick too, calories in-calories out. What works for.me.not not work for tou and vise:versa. I been weighing myself daily for ages. I know a lot of people say weekly weigh ins, shit some say 2-4 weeks and only go by the mirror. Daily ftw, I like to know I'm on track heading into the weekend. Sometimes I'll fast 1 day to get back on schedule.

On the supps/peps front. I'm hoping they push me beyond what my calcs call out, which so far reta is not doing. I'm losing weight at my calculated rate, .3lb a day avg, was hoping for .4lb a day avg. But cravings are zilch and I haven't done a single minute of fasted cardio. Soooo, maybe reta is doing more than I think. When I add in FC I would like my avg to move into that .4lb day avg but I may end up introducing it when I stall and be back at .3lb.
Reta + tirz has me in a pretty significant caloric deficit (between 1500 and 1750 daily), and in the 42 days I've been on it, my average daily loss is probably way too high at about .7#. I never did any body measurements prior to starting the slupp, but since I started counting protein intake (managing between 100g - 165g per day, which I know should be higher, but just seems impossible) and measuring, the only places I've lost inches have been in my gut & butt. Biceps, forearms, etc. haven't changed -- so maybe it's helping there? Just wish I'd been measuring pre-slupp to be sure.
 
On prep I started slu 8 weeks out. Oral at 250 mcg twice a day. Once AM pre fasted cardio, once pre workout.

All prep I did not change my workout volume. I do PPLPPL off. 14 sets a workout.

Cardio was 30 mins of beat saber on expert+. Same as pre slu.

Not sure on body fat %'s. I came in quite shredded. My guess is 5% bodyfat.

The oral slu I took was from modernaminos, so it was tested. The transdermal I made myself and have HPLC tests for it. It's slightly overdosed.

First week lost 7 lbs.
2nd 4 lbs.
3rd 2 lbs.
4th nothing.
5th Switched to transdermal, 250 mcg x 2, same timing. Lost 3 lbs
6th same as 5th, lost 1 lbs
7th stopped. About time to get ready to peak.
8th peak week. Stopped all injectable, absolutely trashed my estrogen with 1 mg arimedex a day. 200 mg winny daily. Lost 14 lbs of water.

I'm super anal about diet. I rarely ever take cheat meals. I measude every piece of food I eat. This isn't some "I think I ate X amount of calories a day". I have all of my food logged for the past 800 or so days. I have a food scale in my car, at my gfs, and various at home. I don't eat food anyone other than me cooks as I don't trust them to accurately measure it.

I have clients that take slu. Latest one made 0 changes to his diet and lost 6 lbs in 2 weeks. He isn't super strict about diet either as he and his wife just had twins.

Attached an image of my calorie counting streak.

Please help me understand the math. If you were 5% bodyfat, and lost 14lbs, even if that was 60% of the body fat lost, bringing you down to 2% (which is insane), you would have to weigh 466lbs? Are you sure you were 5% when you started?
 

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