SLU-PP-332 as a Workout Replacement

Might try a round of kisspeptin to get my test up. IM injections of the real thing just scare the crap out of me.
I've been on prescribed TRT for ~6mos, my doc was fine with either subq or IM. I tried IM a couple of times but didn't notice any improvement over subq, so I'm exclusively subq now. Testosterone is oil-based and so more viscous than a peptide injection, but really not bad to pin. I use a 1/2" 27g insulin syringe. I will say that I pin peps in my belly usually, but found the occasional lumps from test to be really uncomfortable in the belly, so I alternate between upper thighs or glutes now.
 
I've been on prescribed TRT for ~6mos, my doc was fine with either subq or IM. I tried IM a couple of times but didn't notice any improvement over subq, so I'm exclusively subq now.
Ok, y'all are making me slightly less terrified of trying. Good to know!
 
[[whispers]]

Is this what you guys talk about in the locker room? It is really advanced. Maybe this type of talk only happens in the Chem building on campus . . .

Regardless, I feel like I just fell into a grad level course, and surprisingly, I am enjoying it . . . Thanks to all.
 
I asked a friend who is studying biochem to become a doctor how they think SLU works. This is a summary of their response:

It probably acts through the Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma coactivator 1-alpha (PGC-1α). It's a protein that in humans is encoded by the PPARGC1A gene.

PGC-1α is the master regulator of mitochondria biogenesis (the increasing of mitochondria count in the body). PGC-1α is also the primary regulator of liver gluconeogensis, inducing increased gene expression for gluconeogenesis. AKA you process carbs better.
PPARGC1A has been shown to interact with:
  • Estrogen-related receptor alpha (ERRα), estrogen-related receptor beta (ERR-β), estrogen-related receptor gamma (ERR-γ).
Which SLU has shown tendencies to interactive with ERR-alpha

ERRα regulates genes involved in mitochondrial biogenesis, gluconeogenesis, oxidative phosphorylation, fatty acid metabolism, and brown adipose tissue thermogenesis.

The following is now my theory, based on this info, as to why SLU might work for some, but not others.

1. Amount of brown adipose tissue. There are two types of fat, brown fat, and white fat. Brown fat allows easy access to energy from fat stores, white fat does not. Brown fat % decreases as one ages. There are methods to brown fat, like taking beta-3 agonists like mirabergon. Some people, i.e younger folks, might see better results from SLU because of this. If you're older, look into mirabergon to brown a % of your white fat.

2. Insulin Sensitivy. If you are already insulin sensitive, or perhaps use SLU when fasted, taking it to upregulate gluconegensis might put you in a state of ketosis / using fat for energy. If your insulin sensitivity is poor (i.e you are insulin resistant), it might just lower you to a still bad number. Some might not see large benefits as even with SLU, they might still have diabetitc levels of fasting insulin.

3. I discussed this one eariler, density of ERR Alpha cells. ERRα has wide tissue distribution but it is most highly expressed in tissues that preferentially use fatty acids as energy sources such as kidney, heart, brown adipose tissue, cerebellum, intestine, and muscles. Thus more muscle mass, more brown adipose tissue, and larger organs (perhaps from excessive HGH use.... speaking from experience) might get better results than others as they have more ERR Alpha Cells.

The biochemist said he'll look into it more after his mid terms. I'll update my thoughts / theories as I get more info.

As for why I think the studies used injectable, again all conjecture on my behalf, I'll share my current thoughts I pondered while not paying attention to a meeting I was in.

Solubility. Drugs that have good bioavailability are soluble in aqueous solutions (aka water, stomach acid). Speaking from experience SLU has absolutely dog shit solubility in aqueous solutions. Literally adding 0.1 mls of saline out of 1 ml to the freeze dried SLU brought it out of solution. A saving grace would be how soluble SLU is in acid. Since I am familiar with Hydrocholric Acid, which is a fairly strong acid of PH 1.6 (lower PH = stronger acid), seems like a good place to start.

"SLU-PP-332 is not soluble in hydrochloric acid; it is primarily soluble in DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) due to its polar nature, and adding hydrochloric acid would likely cause precipitation of the compound as it is not designed to dissolve in acidic environments"

Due to these two reasons, I highly doubt SLU has a very high oral availability if just ingested in a cap. In a solution on the other hand, that might change things. Something to look into another day.
 
Last edited:

Trending content

Forum statistics

Threads
2,411
Messages
43,050
Members
4,326
Latest member
Lin.Ava
Back
Top