peptideusername
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Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?
HOSPIRA changes in availability
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AKC97
New Member
MEDEX $220ish today 😔
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
I think it’s hilarious that if it goes away completely folks are just going to say “oh that’s it I guess” no more meds for me!
zpped
Moderator
I think its funny that you straw manned and side stepped that question at the same time.
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
I’m not here to explain myself to the likes of rando forum posters who I don’t give two flying f—ks about. How’s that?
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
Maybe I don’t give two shits if it’s pharmacy grade as long as it’s sterile and works? But by all means if folks just want to stop reconstituting, give up on their meds and gain all their weight back and other ailments go ahead
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
The crazy thing to me is the Hospira saline BAC is the same low price as before, so relatively few must be buying it, even now. It's not for all peptides but is arguably ideal (comfort-wise) for some applications like GLP-1s.
The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.
The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.
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zpped
Moderator
So you're just here to put words in people's mouth and yell at them? Sounds fun.
It’s harder to make than it would seem. I’ve had to throw out 30 qsc bac waters because of white crap floating around in it, and a bunch of XCE bac water because it was very acidic (apparently they washed the plugs in acid to sterilize them and ooopsie doopsie it got in the finished product). It’s these types of issues that led everyone to start using Hospira.
nurseratchit
GLP-1 Specialist
You make a good point. Even at 250/case, that case will last most people for several years. Some of us were spending more than that monthly when we started with compounded glp1s.
arborealtrout
New Member
Well, I can certainly supply either an NPI or one of several DEA numbers. However, I suspect what’ll happen is that most sellers will just quit trying to carry the stuff. Before long only the big medical supply places, which have huge markups and want to sell you an entire pallet, will be selling it.
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arborealtrout
New Member
Really? How’d you get yours?
Using someone else’s NPI is seriously illegal. Depending on the circumstances, that could lead to federal prison time.
I'm still working through a few vials of Hospira that expired in Sept 2023, and then I have a bunch that expired in 2024 to go through. It could easily be a year or more before I use an unexpired vial (which I don't actually own any atm lol).
Even though I really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the stuff, I suspect a lot of it can be attributed to people panic buying and hoarding the stuff whenever there's a minor interruption in availability. I looked around last night and there are still a lot of places selling individual vials of Hospira in the $12-$15/vial range which while a little steep is still easier on the wallet than buying a case of 25 at top dollar in a panic IMHO.
Even though I really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the stuff, I suspect a lot of it can be attributed to people panic buying and hoarding the stuff whenever there's a minor interruption in availability. I looked around last night and there are still a lot of places selling individual vials of Hospira in the $12-$15/vial range which while a little steep is still easier on the wallet than buying a case of 25 at top dollar in a panic IMHO.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Even without a license, you can get a NPI on your own as a LLC, but I don't know the finer points and legal details. (Like I don't know if a caregiving company could get one, but I assume so. And there is the paperwork involved, so it would likely only be practical for someone who happens to have such a business.)
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penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
There's European pharmas making bac, like baxter.
But it's extremely scarce for the non medical consumer.
I haven't found any good reference to a governmental legal requirement for prescription for bac water (USA/state/county). And it would surprise me if the requirement were stricter in Canada or anywhere in Europe. So have the troubles just been from the manufacturer all along, and being worsened (for) now?
And Rx would be silly for what is just water plus the ingredient they add to industrial/rubbing alcohol (to "denature" it so that it's no fun at parties).
Or am I wrong about Rx and The Law?
And Rx would be silly for what is just water plus the ingredient they add to industrial/rubbing alcohol (to "denature" it so that it's no fun at parties).
Or am I wrong about Rx and The Law?
tncc_rn
GLP-1 Member
So, this may be the real reason for all the price gouging. From Pfizer's website.
Manufacturing delay
Manufacturing delay
rkl123
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I predicted in another thread several months ago they would attempt to indirectly stunt the gray market through BAC, one of our main weaknesses.
Next prediction: they will win against legit BAC. But we’ll still be in the game. How? The Chinese will get reasonably good at BAC like PGB has. It’ll be enforced with a ton of testing by PTDS and others. It’ll cost in the realm of 5$ a vial after shipping etc.
Next prediction: they will win against legit BAC. But we’ll still be in the game. How? The Chinese will get reasonably good at BAC like PGB has. It’ll be enforced with a ton of testing by PTDS and others. It’ll cost in the realm of 5$ a vial after shipping etc.
When I very first started I bought from a domestic vendor and also bought a non-hospira bac water from him. So I'm sure it is fine. It is just with unofficial bac water, like you said it really needs to be tested because they could just be putting any kind of water in there.
Peptelligence
New Member
This is quite odd. This email contains several red flags that suggest it could be questionable business practice:
- Urgency tactics: "Stock up now before changes take effect"
- Fear-based messaging: Suggesting future unavailability
- Bulk purchase pressure: Progressive pricing to encourage larger orders
- Alternative contact methods: Bypassing normal ordering systems
- Vague regulatory claims: While DEA/NPI requirements exist, the framing seems designed to create panic
It will still be accessible to the mass. You will have to get smarter about choosing your sources.
For those interested in making their own. Based on my research you need to obtain WFI quality water. WFI stands for Water for Injection.
www.irvinesci.com
You could then add benzyl alcohol as a preservative to allow storage and use. Adding precisely enough benzyl to get to 0.9 percent. I'd recommend sterile vials to mix this in and keeping your workspace clean.
Don't use tap, distilled or other types of water. You might not get sick from it, but it ain't right. If you mix your benzyl and WFI water together, it still isn't as good as USP-grade Hospira branded water. But head and shoulders better than most other recipes I see posted.
Water for Injection (WFI) Quality Water
Water for Injection (WFI) Quality Water* Water for Injection (WFI)* Quality Water is the most suitable water available for producing cell culture media, reconstitution of biochemical reagents, and as a final rinse water for critical applications. WFI Qual
www.irvinesci.com
You could then add benzyl alcohol as a preservative to allow storage and use. Adding precisely enough benzyl to get to 0.9 percent. I'd recommend sterile vials to mix this in and keeping your workspace clean.
Don't use tap, distilled or other types of water. You might not get sick from it, but it ain't right. If you mix your benzyl and WFI water together, it still isn't as good as USP-grade Hospira branded water. But head and shoulders better than most other recipes I see posted.
Just received my case, I figure I have a buffet of BAC for 24 months, all I will use for $5 a month.
It is not that big of an investment in peace of mind.
Also, by the time I run out there will likely be a new solution/vendor.
I could have likely bought less and been ok.
It is not that big of an investment in peace of mind.
Also, by the time I run out there will likely be a new solution/vendor.
I could have likely bought less and been ok.
bigcheesincindy
New Member
Medex supply will ship 25pack for $81.25 includes shipping cost fedex. Sodium Chloride Bacteriostatic Injection 0.9%
Good link, thanks.
Perhaps it is a profitability issue, maybe the "good" water they have does not get sent from the same manufacturer/Vendor? or just so many Hospira believers.
There were some posts of people who did extensive testing with negative results and so it has not been a popular item, and the not being any $$ in it for the vendors does not help.
Pfizer did or still does produce their bac water in India. I'm sure some India RX places could get bac water, if push came to shove.
It sounds like you get great shelf/usuable life from your vials of BAC water. Do you pin every time or use a valve spike on your BAC water? Do you have any other recommendations on longevity? Thanks!
IMHO spikes are possibly even more stupid than pens lol. 🤣 Unless someone is sharing a vial with others (and even then...), I don't see a need for one. I just stab a needle into the stopper each time, which is probably once every week to 10 days and usually 1ml/ea so ~25 times (I usually draw a hair over 1ml).
Best advice I can give is practice good hygiene, store in a cool dark place and in a room where nobody poops, and don't think about it too hard.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
There can be a comfort factor though with pens since the needle hasn't punctured anything. But I haven't played around with them yet.
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
Pens are great for daily pins, I don't get the hate. Once you go above 1-2 pins a day, they start saving a boatload of time.
I have an NPI number. This is actually all I need? I'm in the medical field, a psychotherapist, but I do not write prescriptions and I don't have an llc as I work for a hospital system.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
There's probably a good Freudian explanation 😀 Mother never pinned me, fear of annihilation and losing control, etc.
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Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
It should be fine to purchase now. I believe it's in July, things other than price, will change.
I'm trying to checkout on their website and it's asking for my medical license number
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
Did you try both of the places?
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
They always asked for that, and we always didn't give one and just paid. Unless it prevents you from paying, it probably still works like that.
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
You can try ignoring that message and try to pay. If not, you can Google it. Google will show you some places where, you can purchase singles until, some other places that were mentioned restock. You can also, try those 2 places again tomorrow. Today is a holiday.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Underground Supply is selling them again. But they are $11.49 each with a MOQ of three vials, so a ripoff really unless you get them as part of a recon and filtering kit.
I am still waiting for Peptide Test to have them in stock.
I am still waiting for Peptide Test to have them in stock.
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StonePny
New Member
Here's me now feeling like a dumb girl, waiting breathlessly for (new to me) vial spikes to get here. Thanks. Kill joy.
zpped
Moderator
Vile spikes are more useful on things that come dissolved in oil because of the viscosity difference.
Unfortunately while there are a lot of products out there that have perfectly valid purposes, many people (often with a financial interest/motivation) like to find a way to turn a product intended for a narrow set of circumstances into a "solution in search of a problem" for other uses. It's not that different from that peptide "testing" outfit that decided to get into the products and accessories business pushing 4mm syringe filters that no actual medical or scientific professional recommends. Because they got a crate of them at a huge discount, all of the sudden they start pushing them as the best "solution" to the 13mm filter size "problem" that never existed.
That and you're generally using a much wider gauge needle which is far more susceptible to coring as well as defeating the "self-healing" design of the stopper with multiple punctures.
Yes trued then both and both want a medical license number and the price has gone up to almost $300 😔
rkl123
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm moderately pro pen. I recon anywhere from 4-8 doses once. From then on instead of doing the syringe song and dance, I twist pen to exact units I want and inject, on net saving time and plastic waste.
Pros:
-to the unit accuracy independent of your skill at exactly drawing a syringe the to the millimeter
-faster than regular syringe by a little.
Con:
-learning curve
-initial pen cost.
I like pens for water carrier things with relatively low volume. Reta, HGH, GLOW, Glutathione
Vial spikes w/ filter for oils - test/deca for TRT, volume is too high for a pen to make sense
Insulin syringes for L-Carnitine because of the high volume
Vial spikes w/ filter for oils - test/deca for TRT, volume is too high for a pen to make sense
Insulin syringes for L-Carnitine because of the high volume
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
Yes, the price did go up. I did notice that. If you can Google search, you will be able to find single vials. They are priced a little higher, too. One 30 ml vial should last you several months, almost a year, depending on how many peps/vials you have to reconstitute. Maybe you can get a single vials of bac for now. I would also try those places again tomorrow. You can also press the option to "get a quote" when you by in bulk. You might just be able to order. I hope that you find some.
Yes I found singles for $13 each im going to try to order from medex tomorrow see if I can slip thru the cracks lol
tncc_rn
GLP-1 Member
Well, medex supply is requiring license info to complete the order. Interesting....
Medex Supply License link
Medex Supply License link
