Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
They're doing yhat all over now. It's nutsš¤·āāļø
HOSPIRA changes in availability
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Though they are citing āincreased demandā for tripling prices, one could suspect itās easier for Eli Lilly and Novo to influence Pfizer than our peptide vendors. Good syringes will probably go up like crazy next. Maybe they are trying to suffocate us?
moonpies4misfits
GLP-1 Specialist
Ehh I'm not sure about them doing the same to syringes. The "increase in demand" for BAC water from non-medical professionals is more niche and could easily be linked back to glps and peptides. The need for syringes encompasses a much wider range of medications and medical needs. I mean I'm sure they'll go up along with the price of literally *everything* else right now, but not like were seeing with BAC.
(BTW Sams Club house brand syringes are just Easy Touch in a Members Mark box and are $11 for a pack of 100)
what I see on MedEx today is $189 for 25, doubled in price.
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
one of the places I order from is still $6 a vial. I just ordered 10. I know we all love Hospira but if it goes away there is other legitimate bac water. We are all acting like anything else is straight from the toilet bowl.
tncc_rn
GLP-1 Member
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
I had a feeling that that was going to happen. $189 is high. Some other places are selling for $269 and even more. It's getting bad!
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
It's the med spa owners that I worry about š¢
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wow I ordered not that long ago and it was about a $100. That is a crazy price jump. I guess the demand is super high.
peptideusername
Moderator
One of the greatest features of capitalism is disguising corporate greed as supply/demand or inflation.
peptideusername
Moderator
Where else can you find pharmacy grade bacteriostatic water that isn't Pfizer hospira?
AKC97
GLP-1 Novice
MEDEX $220ish today š
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
I think itās hilarious that if it goes away completely folks are just going to say āoh thatās it I guessā no more meds for me!
zpped
Moderator
I think its funny that you straw manned and side stepped that question at the same time.
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
Iām not here to explain myself to the likes of rando forum posters who I donāt give two flying fāks about. Howās that?
jasonlovespeptides
GLP-1 Member
Maybe I donāt give two shits if itās pharmacy grade as long as itās sterile and works? But by all means if folks just want to stop reconstituting, give up on their meds and gain all their weight back and other ailments go ahead
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
The crazy thing to me is the Hospira saline BAC is the same low price as before, so relatively few must be buying it, even now. It's not for all peptides but is arguably ideal (comfort-wise) for some applications like GLP-1s.
The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.
The cost for Hospira saline BAC is only $3.40 per 30mL bottle at AmscoMedical.com.
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zpped
Moderator
So you're just here to put words in people's mouth and yell at them? Sounds fun.
Itās harder to make than it would seem. Iāve had to throw out 30 qsc bac waters because of white crap floating around in it, and a bunch of XCE bac water because it was very acidic (apparently they washed the plugs in acid to sterilize them and ooopsie doopsie it got in the finished product). Itās these types of issues that led everyone to start using Hospira.
nurseratchit
GLP-1 Specialist
You make a good point. Even at 250/case, that case will last most people for several years. Some of us were spending more than that monthly when we started with compounded glp1s.
arborealtrout
Recently Joined
Well, I can certainly supply either an NPI or one of several DEA numbers. However, I suspect whatāll happen is that most sellers will just quit trying to carry the stuff. Before long only the big medical supply places, which have huge markups and want to sell you an entire pallet, will be selling it.
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arborealtrout
Recently Joined
Really? Howād you get yours?
Using someone elseās NPI is seriously illegal. Depending on the circumstances, that could lead to federal prison time.
I'm still working through a few vials of Hospira that expired in Sept 2023, and then I have a bunch that expired in 2024 to go through. It could easily be a year or more before I use an unexpired vial (which I don't actually own any atm lol).
Even though I really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the stuff, I suspect a lot of it can be attributed to people panic buying and hoarding the stuff whenever there's a minor interruption in availability. I looked around last night and there are still a lot of places selling individual vials of Hospira in the $12-$15/vial range which while a little steep is still easier on the wallet than buying a case of 25 at top dollar in a panic IMHO.
Even though I really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the stuff, I suspect a lot of it can be attributed to people panic buying and hoarding the stuff whenever there's a minor interruption in availability. I looked around last night and there are still a lot of places selling individual vials of Hospira in the $12-$15/vial range which while a little steep is still easier on the wallet than buying a case of 25 at top dollar in a panic IMHO.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Even without a license, you can get a NPI on your own as a LLC, but I don't know the finer points and legal details. (Like I don't know if a caregiving company could get one, but I assume so. And there is the paperwork involved, so it would likely only be practical for someone who happens to have such a business.)
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penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
There's European pharmas making bac, like baxter.
But it's extremely scarce for the non medical consumer.
I haven't found any good reference to a governmental legal requirement for prescription for bac water (USA/state/county). And it would surprise me if the requirement were stricter in Canada or anywhere in Europe. So have the troubles just been from the manufacturer all along, and being worsened (for) now?
And Rx would be silly for what is just water plus the ingredient they add to industrial/rubbing alcohol (to "denature" it so that it's no fun at parties).
Or am I wrong about Rx and The Law?
And Rx would be silly for what is just water plus the ingredient they add to industrial/rubbing alcohol (to "denature" it so that it's no fun at parties).
Or am I wrong about Rx and The Law?
tncc_rn
GLP-1 Member
So, this may be the real reason for all the price gouging. From Pfizer's website.
Manufacturing delay
Manufacturing delay
rkl123
GLP-1 Member
I predicted in another thread several months ago they would attempt to indirectly stunt the gray market through BAC, one of our main weaknesses.
Next prediction: they will win against legit BAC. But weāll still be in the game. How? The Chinese will get reasonably good at BAC like PGB has. Itāll be enforced with a ton of testing by PTDS and others. Itāll cost in the realm of 5$ a vial after shipping etc.
Next prediction: they will win against legit BAC. But weāll still be in the game. How? The Chinese will get reasonably good at BAC like PGB has. Itāll be enforced with a ton of testing by PTDS and others. Itāll cost in the realm of 5$ a vial after shipping etc.
When I very first started I bought from a domestic vendor and also bought a non-hospira bac water from him. So I'm sure it is fine. It is just with unofficial bac water, like you said it really needs to be tested because they could just be putting any kind of water in there.
Peptelligence
GLP-1 Novice
This is quite odd. This email contains several red flags that suggest it could be questionable business practice:
- Urgency tactics: "Stock up now before changes take effect"
- Fear-based messaging: Suggesting future unavailability
- Bulk purchase pressure: Progressive pricing to encourage larger orders
- Alternative contact methods: Bypassing normal ordering systems
- Vague regulatory claims: While DEA/NPI requirements exist, the framing seems designed to create panic
It will still be accessible to the mass. You will have to get smarter about choosing your sources.
