Wierd KLOW no pain?

[Soccerdude]

I've been taking glow but I did 4ml of bac water. No pain, I tried 31g 8mm or 1/3" needles and 28g 1/2" needles.

So no difference in pain levels for me at least
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[tracylynn]

I had to stop injecting it in my stomach and am now injecting it in my upper thigh. I inject slower and also massage the area.

My LIPO C hurts worse than my KLOW. Not sure why.

 

[vewdew34]

I had to stop injecting it in my stomach and am now injecting it in my upper thigh. I inject slower and also massage the area.

My LIPO C hurts worse than my KLOW. Not sure why.

Lipo-C does hurt, for me it is painful while injecting and after maybe it will sting for like 10 minutes and pain is gone.

 

[spyke65]

I mix in 1mg lidocaine in mine based on reading someone else doing it.

I’m considering adding Lidocaine to my next KLOW reconstitution. Did you use Lidocaine by itself or mixed with epinephrine? I’ve seen advice to only use the mix, but have concerns about pH and additives used to keep epi stable.

 

[MsGizmo]

I’m considering adding Lidocaine to my next KLOW reconstitution. Did you use Lidocaine by itself or mixed with epinephrine? I’ve seen advice to only use the mix, but have concerns about pH and additives used to keep epi stable.

I used 1mg of lidocaine and 2mg of BAC.

 

[joseblo]

I tried my ample love handles today, pinned deep, went ham on the hand massage after. We'll see. My belly has a weeks' worth of bruises and red circles 🙁

If you don't have the KLOW with KPV already in it, I'd definitely look for some added KPV.
I certainly notice KLOW, but I haven't developed any lumps or red spots. You definitely don't want to develop an immune response. My research started at 1mg BID at 5 units and now 2mg at 10 QD on the second week (5 on 2 off).

Next batch, I'm likely to try and mix my own. The variations in concentration (68mg GHK?!?) make pinning a reliable amount without wasting annoying and the difficulty in testing a mixture make it seem worth while... for next year!

 

[jordekorn]

Another live and learn moment for me. I did epithalon and ghk-cu last night 5mg and 200mcg, together, and it started burning an hour later and kept stinging for hours. I have a slight redness around the area now. If it weren’t for this post specifically, and this forum generally, I wouldn’t know what was going on, so thank you all. Not sure I can continue using ghk. I saw pin in thigh and massage, I will try that.
Thank you!

 

[dont_wanna_be_fat]

If you don't have the KLOW with KPV already in it, I'd definitely look for some added KPV.
I certainly notice KLOW, but I haven't developed any lumps or red spots. You definitely don't want to develop an immune response. My research started at 1mg BID at 5 units and now 2mg at 10 QD on the second week (5 on 2 off).

Next batch, I'm likely to try and mix my own. The variations in concentration (68mg GHK?!?) make pinning a reliable amount without wasting annoying and the difficulty in testing a mixture make it seem worth while... for next year!

I have 9.5 vials from a GLOW kit I just started — would you think that buying some KPV and manually adding to my GLOW, as in, recon the KPV and add it to the reconned GLOW, would be a good idea?

 

[dont_wanna_be_fat]

Also thinking of trying to use 4mL BAC instead of 3; I heard some have had reduction in ISR with that.

 

[joseblo]

I have 9.5 vials from a GLOW kit I just started — would you think that buying some KPV and manually adding to my GLOW, as in, recon the KPV and add it to the reconned GLOW, would be a good idea?

I've only just started researching KLOW (purchase came with KPV, but the GHK-Cu was almost 30% over filled). I reconned with 3ml, because that's all that will fit in the pen cartridge. The current schedule is 2mg/day (only 9 units due to overfill). No issues this week.

To answer your question, yes. I think it's quite reasonable to recon KPV and add it. My process would be to recon KPV (eg 1ml), withdraw it all, use it to initially recon the GLOW, and add more BAC to make a nice round # of units. I filter, but I'd only do it once into the cart.

OTOH, if you're not having problems with straight GLOW, more power to you!

 

[vewdew34]

I have 9.5 vials from a GLOW kit I just started — would you think that buying some KPV and manually adding to my GLOW, as in, recon the KPV and add it to the reconned GLOW, would be a good idea?

Yes it's what I did, just add 10mg of Kpv to your glow.

 

[Soccerdude]

Also thinking of trying to use 4mL BAC instead of 3; I heard some have had reduction in ISR with that.

This is what I did, to my glow and I don't get a sting.

 

[dont_wanna_be_fat]

I have a kit of KPV arriving tomorrow. The extra BAC seemed to help a little. Still have persistent (3-4 days) red marks with minor pain.

 

[vewdew34]

I have a kit of KPV arriving tomorrow. The extra BAC seemed to help a little. Still have persistent (3-4 days) red marks with minor pain.

So what I been doing lately that helps with redness is to go around 90 degrees with needle and deep, that been working fine so far.

 

[joseblo]

So what I been doing lately that helps with redness is to go around 90 degrees with needle and deep, that been working fine so far.

Yeah, that was another hint I saw, go deeper!
I use a pen with 8mm 29Ga (so straight in), but YMMV.

 

[dont_wanna_be_fat]

So what I been doing lately that helps with redness is to go around 90 degrees with needle and deep, that been working fine so far.

I have 8mm needles and have been going in as far as I can, at 90. Still produces a pretty big red mark. Tomorrow I will be able to have some KPV added (as long as the shipping info is correct)

 

[desinr-gal]

I’m considering adding Lidocaine to my next KLOW reconstitution. Did you use Lidocaine by itself or mixed with epinephrine? I’ve seen advice to only use the mix, but have concerns about pH and additives used to keep epi stable.

I was told epi was to constrict blood vessels, like for surgeries. And they degrade together, i dont think that is desirable.

 

[spyke65]

I was told epi was to constrict blood vessels, like for surgeries. And they degrade together, i dont think that is desirable.

I forgot to loop back with this. Thanks for the insight. I guess that’s why epinephrine is paired with lidocaine for local anesthesia. The vasoconstriction keeps the lidocaine local. I decided against the epinephrine because the goal isn’t to keep the KLOW localized.

My final solution upon reconstitution is 0.6% lidocaine or 0.036mg of lidocaine per pin. Just enough to take the sting away but quickly dispersed.

 

[dont_wanna_be_fat]

I got some KPV and added it, today seems to be the first day that it isn't going to hurt.
I have some angry bruises on my belly. With some hard, painful lumps.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

I'm sorry, but every time I see KLOW my brain goes straight to KLOWN. 🤪



That's all, carry on.

 

[lemon lady]

I'm sorry, but every time I see KLOW my brain goes straight to KLOWN. 🤪

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That's all, carry on.

Whenever I see AHK-CU I think "ah-choo" sneezing sound

 

[randompersonrandom]

So...I don't WANT to poke myself three times, especially since I'm about to learn how to use a pen, and I don't want to dial, poke, dial, poke, dial, poke. I also don't want to use a massage gun. First of all, I'm unclear on what a massage gun even IS, and second, I don't feel like it. If I'm gonna inject blue mystery liquid into my skin once a day for six weeks, I'd rather just do it, go shower, and not mess overmuch with it.

If I can't get that, then I'll try the three-mini-injections and/or order a massage gun and just say "welp, that's how it is, but at least I know all the things that DON'T work." But I'm not there yet. I tried increasing the bac today to a 4ml concentration per 50 mg of GHK-Cu and pinning deep. Similar result, just less; no pain during the injection, but a red circle appears 12 hours later and hurts, then turns to a bruise the next day and hurts the next day too, then fine the day after. It IS smaller and less painful, though.

I want to try upping the bac water again, so that it's 12.83 mg/mL for the GHK-CU, which is a 4.20 ml concentration (if the vial were 50-10-10-10, which it's not, it more like 65-13-10-11). I'm concerned about that, though, because I don't actually know how much bac water is too much, or what risks I'm introducing by weakening it more than people usually do.

 

[MsGizmo]

So...I don't WANT to poke myself three times, especially since I'm about to learn how to use a pen, and I don't want to dial, poke, dial, poke, dial, poke. I also don't want to use a massage gun. First of all, I'm unclear on what a massage gun even IS, and second, I don't feel like it. If I'm gonna inject blue mystery liquid into my skin once a day for six weeks, I'd rather just do it, go shower, and not mess overmuch with it.

If I can't get that, then I'll try the three-mini-injections and/or order a massage gun and just say "welp, that's how it is, but at least I know all the things that DON'T work." But I'm not there yet. I tried increasing the bac today to a 4ml concentration per 50 mg of GHK-Cu and pinning deep. Similar result, just less; no pain during the injection, but a red circle appears 12 hours later and hurts, then turns to a bruise the next day and hurts the next day too, then fine the day after. It IS smaller and less painful, though.

I want to try upping the bac water again, so that it's 12.83 mg/mL for the GHK-CU, which is a 4.20 ml concentration (if the vial were 50-10-10-10, which it's not, it more like 65-13-10-11). I'm concerned about that, though, because I don't actually know how much bac water is too much, or what risks I'm introducing by weakening it more than people usually do.

Well, you could try replacing some of the BAC with lidocaine in your next batch. Also you don't really need a massage gun you could just give the area a deep tissue massage manually. Diluting it more isn't making it weaker by the way. It doesn't matter how much BAC you add as long as you increase the amount you inject proportionally.

 

[BooneDonk]

So...I don't WANT to poke myself three times, especially since I'm about to learn how to use a pen, and I don't want to dial, poke, dial, poke, dial, poke. I also don't want to use a massage gun. First of all, I'm unclear on what a massage gun even IS, and second, I don't feel like it. If I'm gonna inject blue mystery liquid into my skin once a day for six weeks, I'd rather just do it, go shower, and not mess overmuch with it.

If I can't get that, then I'll try the three-mini-injections and/or order a massage gun and just say "welp, that's how it is, but at least I know all the things that DON'T work." But I'm not there yet. I tried increasing the bac today to a 4ml concentration per 50 mg of GHK-Cu and pinning deep. Similar result, just less; no pain during the injection, but a red circle appears 12 hours later and hurts, then turns to a bruise the next day and hurts the next day too, then fine the day after. It IS smaller and less painful, though.

I want to try upping the bac water again, so that it's 12.83 mg/mL for the GHK-CU, which is a 4.20 ml concentration (if the vial were 50-10-10-10, which it's not, it more like 65-13-10-11). I'm concerned about that, though, because I don't actually know how much bac water is too much, or what risks I'm introducing by weakening it more than people usually do.

I’m not saying it doesn’t get a sting, but you have to find a happy place between temp of injection and depth of injection. Yes, mine hurts like a Brute Enforcer Emeritus sting on occasion. I’ll take the results for that any day. I’ve had to make it work!

 

[randompersonrandom]

Well, you could try replacing some of the BAC with lidocaine in your next batch. Also you don't really need a massage gun you could just give the area a deep tissue massage manually. Diluting it more isn't making it weaker by the way. It doesn't matter how much BAC you add as long as you increase the amount you inject proportionally.

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Yes--I saw to up the amount you inject, thanks for mentioning that. Supposedly the higher volume of lower concentration is less irritating. And I saw your note about the lidocaine earlier; was wondering about that. I figured that was for pain upon injection, and initially dismissed it because my pain doesn't show up til 12 hours or more later. But now I'm wondering, IS it for at-the-time, or does it help with half a day or more later?

 

[randompersonrandom]

I’m not saying it doesn’t get a sting, but you have to find a happy place between temp of injection and depth of injection. Yes, mine hurts like a Brute Enforcer Emeritus sting on occasion. I’ll take the results for that any day. I’ve had to make it work!

Yes; I'm getting really excited about the look of my face, and if a nicer looking face means a sore red circle on my belly or hip or thigh, I'll take it. but man I sure would like to have all of the former and none of the latter if I can figure out a hassle free way to do it. And "a moderate amount more bac water" seems pretty hassle free.

 

[BooneDonk]

Yes; I'm getting really excited about the look of my face, and if a nicer looking face means a sore red circle on my belly or hip or thigh, I'll take it. but man I sure would like to have all of the former and none of the latter if I can figure out a hassle free way to do it. And "a moderate amount more bac water" seems pretty hassle free.

I can’t disagree with that. I pull the dose, plus a couple units. Roll syringe in hands to warm up dose and we roll. I got hung up with time today and, MF! Idk what component of KLOW burns like the fires of Hades, but it is present! I looked around for the Brute Enforcer Emeritus hive in my kitchen and it wasn’t there must have been a lone body responsible. I won’t stop for now because dang, this shi hits! It’s a happy place is all I’m saying. Have to find it.

 

[MsGizmo]

I figured that was for pain upon injection, and initially dismissed it because my pain doesn't show up til 12 hours or more later. But now I'm wondering, IS it for at-the-time, or does it help with half a day or more later?

I'll be honest. I only add the lidocaine because someone else suggested it. But what I can tell you that my injection site irritation isn't all that bad. I would call it a mosquito bite and not a 🐝 sting.

 

[randompersonrandom]

I can’t disagree with that. I pull the dose, plus a couple units. Roll syringe in hands to warm up dose and we roll. I got hung up with time today and, MF! Idk what component of KLOW burns like the fires of Hades, but it is present! I looked around for the Brute Enforcer Emeritus hive in my kitchen and it wasn’t there must have been a lone body responsible. I won’t stop for now because dang, this shi hits! It’s a happy place is all I’m saying. Have to find it.

Oh my god. Warm up the SYRINGE, not the vial!! I've never tried letting the med come to room temp, because I don't want my vial to go through temp swings.

When I fail to think of something really obvious at work, I exclaim "Holy sh, remember when I used to be smart?" I am feeling that right now. 😂

 

[randompersonrandom]

I'll be honest. I only add the lidocaine because someone else suggested it. But what I can tell you that my injection site irritation isn't all that bad. I would call it a mosquito bite and not a 🐝 sting.

I must not be sensitive to needles or something, because I don't feel my tirz at all, and the klow is such a faint discomfort that I might actually be imagining it. But twelve hours later, yeowch!