Fat girl rage post

[fetefille]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

 

[goodvibes671]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

Hell yes!! 🙌🏼 Say it louder for the people in the back!! 💜

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

My doctor is like that. I finally had to threaten to bypass her to get her to write the zepbound script. She played basketball in college and just doesn't get it.

Let's be honest. Everybody likes to eat. It's an extremely pleasurable experience and a big part of life.

 

[Bacchus]

I think a lot of the frustration around this topic stems from miscommunication, and that it's hard to separate between those who are delusional and those that understand the issue but has insane cravings for food. (By delusional I mean those who claim to have been on a 800kcal diet and exercising for months without losing weight, even gaining).

The issue is that understanding and emphasizing with the cravings just doesn't calculate for some people. If you take $1million, place it in front of that person and tell them: If you take this money it's yours, but one random person you don't know will die - and no one will know... Then they would understand what an irresistible (or close to irresistible) urge/craving is 🙂

Disclaimer: I do not know how bad the cravings you mention are, but I'm trying to make a comparison based on an assumption.

All that said, I still believe it's best to use this medication in order to get a break from the noise and try to create sustainable habits. I'm not saying you aren't doing that, nor am I saying that's definitely possible.

I just wanted to point out that the way you phrase it could make it seem like you are of the opinion that the only solution is lifetime medication, which is likely to make people claim that you haven't tried hard enough.

Not disagreeing with you, just adding some nuance - It's rarely a good idea to take medicine unless it's necessary - even though I consider these peptides extremely safe 🙂

What's absurd in my opinion, is that you are denied making the choice yourself - and have to beg a doctor for a script, then maybe even prove to an insurance agency that you have actually tried losing weight, it's demeaning and cruel if you ask me.

 

[fieroscotty]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

I couldn't have said it better! This hits home!!

 

[nurseratchit]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas. If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times? We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember. You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins. So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus. As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you. This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

PREACH!! Your post brought tears to my eyes. I too have done everything; portion control, weighed my food, counted my macros, counted micros, cardio, weight training, eliminated processed foods, fasting, eliminated sugars/flours, etc. etc.

I have lost weight many times and longest maintenance period was about a year. I get so damn tired of thinking about food all the time. It is exhausting. I am married to a guy who I tease has “lean male privilege”. He thinks about food all the time too but his body does not show it. He has been the same weight since HS with no effort and his diet was crap when we first met. He eats healthy because I do but he can afford extra indulgences without it showing on the outside. You can look at photos from both sides of our families and see the genetic influences; Thin people on his side, fat people on mine. He has never once hassled me about my weight. He sees how hard I work and how frustrated I’ve gotten in the past and he has always supported me through literal thick and thin. I have learned and kept better habits over the years which has kept me from regaining everything, but I still gained back about half the weight.

The worst part is how we internalize all the blame that society places on us; it’s like an abusive relationship. I have always been interested in nutrition and eat healthier than almost everyone I know yet somehow I just wasn’t doing it right or working at it hard enough. And I am sad to say I have judged others the same way…the abused becomes the abuser. I even had the audacity to feel smug when I achieved my goal weight and think if I can do it so can others.

When these meds first came out I poo-pooed them and judged others for taking the “easy” way out. The internalized fat phobia and media kept me from researching more about these meds sooner. The fear mongering about the rare adverse side effects made me shake my head at the lengths people will go to for a magic pill (or shot in this case).

Fortunately, curiosity got the best of me and I have had my mind opened. It is still early days for me, and the weight is starting to slowly come off once again but the most amazing thing is the change in my brain. Within 24 hours of the very first injection, something switched in my brain. I had never even heard of the concept of food noise before. I just thought there was something wrong with me that I was always thinking about what to eat next or that I was never quite satisfied with my meals.

My husband has ADHD and he told me the first time he tried adderall that he suddenly had mental clarity and that all the competing chatter in his head just stopped. It’s very similar to what I’ve experienced since starting these meds; a release from constant food thoughts and the emotional connection to food. I don’t care how slow the weight comes off as this unburdening frees my mind to focus on other aspects of my life. Another added bonus is that my blood pressure has improved since the first week.

When Barbra Walters interviewed Oprah, Oprah said the one thing she still wanted to make peace with was her weight. Imagine that, one of the most successful and wealthiest people on earth with access to personal trainers and chefs still felt like a failure in this regard!

Apparently, I had some rage of my own! Thank you for sharing.

 

[nurseratchit]

My doctor is like that. I finally had to threaten to bypass her to get her to write the zepbound script. She played basketball in college and just doesn't get it.

Let's be honest. Everybody likes to eat. It's an extremely pleasurable experience and a big part of life.

Yes, everyone likes to eat, but some of us face externally visible consequences. Love it when I’ve been carefully watching what I eat and some perpetually thin person encourages me to indulge, or have “just one.”

 

[peptideusername]

I hope these medicines/treatments open the door to finally demoralizing weight gain and loss. It’s basically:

If you’re fat, it’s because you’ve made bad choices to get you to that point. And you make bad choices because you’re a bad person. If you were a good person, you would make good choices.
THEN - if you’re trying not to be fat, you had better do it the “moral” way by flying in the face of human behavior and completely upending your entire lifestyle. You cannot be a good person for just wanting to be healthier - no no! You must want to be healthier in a way that I deem morally superior, or else you are still making the bad choice.

I could go on and on about this, but it comes down to demoralizing our health motives. I want to be thinner so I don’t get heart disease and diabetes, and die too early to see my kids grow up. I don’t need someone’s approval to want that.

No one needs that.

 

[nurseratchit]

I think a lot of the frustration around this topic stems from miscommunication, and that it's hard to separate between those who are delusional and those that understand the issue but has insane cravings for food. (By delusional I mean those who claim to have been on a 800kcal diet and exercising for months without losing weight, even gaining).

The issue is that understanding and emphasizing with the cravings just doesn't calculate for some people. If you take $1million, place it in front of that person and tell them: If you take this money it's yours, but one random person you don't know will die - and no one will know... Then they would understand what an irresistible (or close to irresistible) urge/craving is 🙂

Disclaimer: I do not know how bad the cravings you mention are, but I'm trying to make a comparison based on an assumption.

All that said, I still believe it's best to use this medication in order to get a break from the noise and try to create sustainable habits. I'm not saying you aren't doing that, nor am I saying that's definitely possible.

I just wanted to point out that the way you phrase it could make it seem like you are of the opinion that the only solution is lifetime medication, which is likely to make people claim that you haven't tried hard enough.

Not disagreeing with you, just adding some nuance - It's rarely a good idea to take medicine unless it's necessary - even though I consider these peptides extremely safe 🙂

What's absurd in my opinion, is that you are denied making the choice yourself - and have to beg a doctor for a script, then maybe even prove to an insurance agency that you have actually tried losing weight, it's demeaning and cruel if you ask me.

You may have good intentions, but it is clear that you have no idea where we are coming from. You have said nothing new that most of us have not heard before. Your nuance is still thinly-veiled judgment based on your own personal biases. I know, because I’ve been on both sides.

 

[Bacchus]

You may have good intentions, but it is clear that you have no idea where we are coming from. You have said nothing new that most of us have not heard before. Your nuance is still thinly-veiled judgment based on your own personal biases. I know, because I’ve been on both sides.

This is the exact attitude that causes people to be confrontational 🤷‍♂️

I’m not judging OP at all. You just chose to isolate one paragraph from context and decide that I have ulterior motives for posting.

How is that in any way constructive, there should always be some pushback towards a medical solution, whether you like it or not. I simply wanted to point that out, that doesn’t in any way indicate that I think OP doesn’t need a medical solution.

I sell these products, it’s in my best interest for everyone to take as much as possible.

 

[nurseratchit]

This is the exact attitude that causes people to be confrontational 🤷‍♂️

I’m not judging OP at all. You just chose to isolate one paragraph from context and decide that I have ulterior motives for posting.

How is that in any way constructive, there should always be some pushback towards a medical solution, whether you like it or not. I simply wanted to point that out, that doesn’t in any way indicate that I think OP doesn’t need a medical solution.

I sell these products, it’s in my best interest for everyone to take as much as possible.

I am not ascribing ulterior motives, but I am saying, while it may be unintentional, there is some subtle judgment and your unsolicited opinion of how you feel these meds should be used. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don’t disagree with all you said, but timing is everything. The straw man argument/metaphor for cravings was just silly. Let’s talk real world incentives and consequences. There is already plenty of pushback and many gatekeepers. Sometimes it is better to just listen and learn from other’s experiences.

 

[Revo39564]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

I gave been morbidly obese for 20 years . I also prescribe meds as an NP. I don’t shame anyone for anything. It’s counterproductive. I also don’t care what others have to say…. I have 6 beautiful kids, a beautiful wife and a comfortable life. I have watched dozens of high school classmates die … many in “great athletic shape”

I find meds like tirzepatide fascinating . Improvements in Diabetes, sleep apnea, fatty liver, cancer reduction probably improvement in Parkinson’s , arthritis , etc, etc.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

Yes, everyone likes to eat, but some of us face externally visible consequences. Love it when I’ve been carefully watching what I eat and some perpetually thin person encourages me to indulge, or have “just one.”

I'm on your side. I'm just saying I'm not going to let anyone make me feel guilty for eating, like there's something wrong with me.

 

[Bacchus]

I

I am not ascribing ulterior motives, but I am saying, while it may be unintentional, there is some subtle judgment and your unsolicited opinion of how you feel these meds should be used. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don’t disagree with all you said, but timing is everything. The straw man argument/metaphor for cravings was just silly. Let’s talk real world incentives and consequences. There is already plenty of pushback and many gatekeepers. Sometimes it is better to just listen and learn from other’s experiences.

It’s an open forum, so there are by default no unsolicited opinions.

Your need to censor/attack my opinion (or rather how you personally perceive my opinion) on the other hand, I find somewhat disturbing.

“sit down shut up, listen and learn from my experience” - yeah no thank you, in order to learn, I need to understand. And in order to do that I need to challenge and ask questions.

My way of trying to relate to something I honestly am unable fully understand, is just silly… Can’t you see how your rhetoric is awfully similar to that of those who say you just need to create better habits and have discipline and stay in a deficit? “This is how it is, don’t argue with me”…..

Instead of attacking me and trying to win, help me understand. If my metaphor was flawed, how so? I figured it was a decent way of describing a temptation that is hard to ignore.

As for any “subtle judgement” in how I feel these medicines should be used, you are trying to create conflict out of nothing - and you are wrong.

Medicine by default has side effects (or potential side effects), that is a fact. So encouraging minimal use, seems like a very sane policy, no?

To say that advising caution is subtle judgement is simply ridiculous 😮‍💨

 

[nurseratchit]

I'm on your side. I'm just saying I'm not going to let anyone make me feel guilty for eating, like there's something wrong with me.

I’m on your side too and good for you! It has taken me a long time to get over the guilt and shame of not eating “perfectly” 100% of the time even though logically I know it’s stupid and most people don’t do this. I had gotten much better about this negative thinking but once I started on tirz it just blew my mind how it flipped that switch in my brain. It’s more than simply appetite suppression and it’s really hard to explain to the uninitiated. I know I didn’t understand this aspect of it prior to trying it.

 

[fetefille]

I think a lot of the frustration around this topic stems from miscommunication, and that it's hard to separate between those who are delusional and those that understand the issue but has insane cravings for food. (By delusional I mean those who claim to have been on a 800kcal diet and exercising for months without losing weight, even gaining).

The issue is that understanding and emphasizing with the cravings just doesn't calculate for some people. If you take $1million, place it in front of that person and tell them: If you take this money it's yours, but one random person you don't know will die - and no one will know... Then they would understand what an irresistible (or close to irresistible) urge/craving is 🙂

Disclaimer: I do not know how bad the cravings you mention are, but I'm trying to make a comparison based on an assumption.

All that said, I still believe it's best to use this medication in order to get a break from the noise and try to create sustainable habits. I'm not saying you aren't doing that, nor am I saying that's definitely possible.

I just wanted to point out that the way you phrase it could make it seem like you are of the opinion that the only solution is lifetime medication, which is likely to make people claim that you haven't tried hard enough.

Not disagreeing with you, just adding some nuance - It's rarely a good idea to take medicine unless it's necessary - even though I consider these peptides extremely safe 🙂

What's absurd in my opinion, is that you are denied making the choice yourself - and have to beg a doctor for a script, then maybe even prove to an insurance agency that you have actually tried losing weight, it's demeaning and cruel if you ask me.

Here’s the thing—it isn’t any of your business if they’re delusional. Who made people like you judge, jury, and executioner?

You don’t understand the cravings, the example you gave stems from greed, I’m not greedy, I have a brain that since I was little has been fixated on foodfoodfood. A seemingly almost insatiable urge. And when I give in to that urge, my brain rewards me with the Feelgoods.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

As I said most of us know the good ol sustainable habits you seem to think fatties don’t. No one needs you to point out anything unless they’re paying you for your fitness expertise or specifically ask the question. You straight up think we don’t know what’s going on with our own bodies.

Lord, have mercy.

If someone chooses to be on one of these meds for life, again, what business is it of yours? My brain isn’t going to fix itself anymore than my eyesight is going to correct itself. You must’ve missed the part where I’ve said we’ve been up, down, and all around before.

You brought the same energy that led me to write this post in the first place. You just rephrased it a bit. And there’s no need to confront anyone, especially if people like you stay minding their own business or until it clicks that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Train and counsel the folks who ask for it, pay for it. Train and counsel the folks that have that 10-15 stubborn pounds to lose and they engage with you.

But for goodness sake, recognize your limitations or learn something.

 

[nurseratchit]

I

It’s an open forum, so there are by default no unsolicited opinions.

Your need to censor/attack my opinion (or rather how you personally perceive my opinion) on the other hand, I find somewhat disturbing.

“sit down shut up, listen and learn from my experience” - yeah no thank you, in order to learn, I need to understand. And in order to do that I need to challenge and ask questions.

My way of trying to relate to something I honestly am unable fully understand, is just silly… Can’t you see how your rhetoric is awfully similar to that of those who say you just need to create better habits and have discipline and stay in a deficit? “This is how it is, don’t argue with me”…..

Instead of attacking me and trying to win, help me understand. If my metaphor was flawed, how so? I figured it was a decent way of describing a temptation that is hard to ignore.

As for any “subtle judgement” in how I feel these medicines should be used, you are trying to create conflict out of nothing - and you are wrong.

Medicine by default has side effects (or potential side effects), that is a fact. So encouraging minimal use, seems like a very sane policy, no?

To say that advising caution is subtle judgement is simply ridiculous 😮‍💨

So you want to push back on someone’s deeply emotional post but I am not allowed to push back on yours? And somehow this is now an attack?? No one here has censored you. 🙄
I will amend my comment to say I perceived it as judgmental and I have already given my reasons why. Opinions are best received when they are asked for.

 

[fetefille]

PREACH!! Your post brought tears to my eyes. I too have done everything; portion control, weighed my food, counted my macros, counted micros, cardio, weight training, eliminated processed foods, fasting, eliminated sugars/flours, etc. etc.

I have lost weight many times and longest maintenance period was about a year. I get so damn tired of thinking about food all the time. It is exhausting. I am married to a guy who I tease has “lean male privilege”. He thinks about food all the time too but his body does not show it. He has been the same weight since HS with no effort and his diet was crap when we first met. He eats healthy because I do but he can afford extra indulgences without it showing on the outside. You can look at photos from both sides of our families and see the genetic influences; Thin people on his side, fat people on mine. He has never once hassled me about my weight. He sees how hard I work and how frustrated I’ve gotten in the past and he has always supported me through literal thick and thin. I have learned and kept better habits over the years which has kept me from regaining everything, but I still gained back about half the weight.

The worst part is how we internalize all the blame that society places on us; it’s like an abusive relationship. I have always been interested in nutrition and eat healthier than almost everyone I know yet somehow I just wasn’t doing it right or working at it hard enough. And I am sad to say I have judged others the same way…the abused becomes the abuser. I even had the audacity to feel smug when I achieved my goal weight and think if I can do it so can others.

When these meds first came out I poo-pooed them and judged others for taking the “easy” way out. The internalized fat phobia and media kept me from researching more about these meds sooner. The fear mongering about the rare adverse side effects made me shake my head at the lengths people will go to for a magic pill (or shot in this case).

Fortunately, curiosity got the best of me and I have had my mind opened. It is still early days for me, and the weight is starting to slowly come off once again but the most amazing thing is the change in my brain. Within 24 hours of the very first injection, something switched in my brain. I had never even heard of the concept of food noise before. I just thought there was something wrong with me that I was always thinking about what to eat next or that I was never quite satisfied with my meals.

My husband has ADHD and he told me the first time he tried adderall that he suddenly had mental clarity and that all the competing chatter in his head just stopped. It’s very similar to what I’ve experienced since starting these meds; a release from constant food thoughts and the emotional connection to food. I don’t care how slow the weight comes off as this unburdening frees my mind to focus on other aspects of my life. Another added bonus is that my blood pressure has improved since the first week.

When Barbra Walters interviewed Oprah, Oprah said the one thing she still wanted to make peace with was her weight. Imagine that, one of the most successful and wealthiest people on earth with access to personal trainers and chefs still felt like a failure in this regard!

Apparently, I had some rage of my own! Thank you for sharing.

Thank you for sharing this, all of it. It runs so deep.

I’m thankful your husband is so supportive, it’s so vital, especially if someone is going to get back up for the umpteenth time and start all over again.

That’s a great comparison between food noise and the mental clarity your husband said he gained with meds for ADHD. My friend who has PCOS, eats clean, works out, didn’t believe she had any food noise to quiet. Two weeks on sema and she couldn’t believe the difference.

And poor Oprah, she’s been through it in front of all of us, hasn’t she? It’s just like you said, all of those resources and she *still* struggled. And people were meeeaaaannn. Whoo!

 

[nurseratchit]

Thank you for sharing this, all of it. It runs so deep.

I’m thankful your husband is so supportive, it’s so vital, especially if someone is going to get back up for the umpteenth time and start all over again.

That’s a great comparison between food noise and the mental clarity your husband said he gained with meds for ADHD. My friend who has PCOS, eats clean, works out, didn’t believe she had any food noise to quiet. Two weeks on sema and she couldn’t believe the difference.

And poor Oprah, she’s been through it in front of all of us, hasn’t she? It’s just like you said, all of those resources and she *still* struggled. And people were meeeaaaannn. Whoo!

It really does, and I’ve surprised myself with all that I’ve internalized over the years. I too am thankful for my hubby and hope that you also have someone as supportive in your life.

I remember Oprah’s wheelbarrow of fat episode and thinking well of course she can with all that at her disposal. And the air was thick with schadenfreude when she gained it back. And she just kept on when I would’ve wanted to crawl under a rock.

 

[nurseratchit]

I hope these medicines/treatments open the door to finally demoralizing weight gain and loss. It’s basically:

If you’re fat, it’s because you’ve made bad choices to get you to that point. And you make bad choices because you’re a bad person. If you were a good person, you would make good choices.
THEN - if you’re trying not to be fat, you had better do it the “moral” way by flying in the face of human behavior and completely upending your entire lifestyle. You cannot be a good person for just wanting to be healthier - no no! You must want to be healthier in a way that I deem morally superior, or else you are still making the bad choice.

I could go on and on about this, but it comes down to demoralizing our health motives. I want to be thinner so I don’t get heart disease and diabetes, and die too early to see my kids grow up. I don’t need someone’s approval to want that.

No one needs that.

Spot on!

 

[Broken Chef]

F all those people! Karma will catch up to them one day!

Not to turn this into an AA meeting, but...

One of the many things I learned in AA... It's not easy, and took me a while to adopt, but it's essential to my well being. DONT LET ANYONE LIVE IN MY HEAD, RENT FREE!

That is to say... It's none of my damned business what others think or say about me. It only matters what I think of myself. The only thing I can control is what I do next.

But mostly, screw all those intercoursing anuses.

Don't give them a second thought. Life is too short to spend a minute worrying about what someone thinks. If you let them in, they win! Don't let them in! Don't let them live in your head, rent free!


Disclaimer:
Results may vary. Side effects include hysteria, assault and battery, murder-suicide, and spontaneous combustion. Always consult a friend before pulling the trigger!

 

[MingHenry]

This is the exact attitude that causes people to be confrontational 🤷‍♂️

I’m not judging OP at all. You just chose to isolate one paragraph from context and decide that I have ulterior motives for posting.

How is that in any way constructive, there should always be some pushback towards a medical solution, whether you like it or not. I simply wanted to point that out, that doesn’t in any way indicate that I think OP doesn’t need a medical solution.

I sell these products, it’s in my best interest for everyone to take as much as possible.

You sell these products? Do you take them?

 

[fetefille]

F all those people! Karma will catch up to them one day!

Not to turn this into an AA meeting, but...

One of the many things I learned in AA... It's not easy, and took me a while to adopt, but it's essential to my well being. DONT LET ANYONE LIVE IN MY HEAD, RENT FREE!

That is to say... It's none of my damned business what others think or say about me. It only matters what I think of myself. The only thing I can control is what I do next.

But mostly, screw all those intercoursing anuses.

Don't give them a second thought. Life is too short to spend a minute worrying about what someone thinks. If you let them in, they win! Don't let them in! Don't let them live in your head, rent free!


Disclaimer:
Results may vary. Side effects include hysteria, assault and battery, murder-suicide, and spontaneous combustion. Always consult a friend before pulling the trigger!

You’re not wrong, Broken Chef. I think more than a single person, it’s the energy. But, imma work on it☺️

 

[Goreandglitter]

My doctor is like that. I finally had to threaten to bypass her to get her to write the zepbound script. She played basketball in college and just doesn't get it.

Let's be honest. Everybody likes to eat. It's an extremely pleasurable experience and a big part of life.

Find a new doctor mine is amazing and is actually well aware I’m using illicit Chinese weight loss medicine he prescribed Wegovy my insurance didn’t approve. Good looking sporty little man… soooo kind and understanding totally non judgmental. He’s never tried telling me “just eat lesss and move more” he’s well aware obesity is a chronic condition and we don’t all sit m around eating junk food.

 

[Broken Chef]

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It’s an open forum, so there are by default no unsolicited opinions.

Your need to censor/attack my opinion (or rather how you personally perceive my opinion) on the other hand, I find somewhat disturbing.

“sit down shut up, listen and learn from my experience” - yeah no thank you, in order to learn, I need to understand. And in order to do that I need to challenge and ask questions.

My way of trying to relate to something I honestly am unable fully understand, is just silly… Can’t you see how your rhetoric is awfully similar to that of those who say you just need to create better habits and have discipline and stay in a deficit? “This is how it is, don’t argue with me”…..

Instead of attacking me and trying to win, help me understand. If my metaphor was flawed, how so? I figured it was a decent way of describing a temptation that is hard to ignore.

As for any “subtle judgement” in how I feel these medicines should be used, you are trying to create conflict out of nothing - and you are wrong.

Medicine by default has side effects (or potential side effects), that is a fact. So encouraging minimal use, seems like a very sane policy, no?

To say that advising caution is subtle judgement is simply ridiculous 😮‍💨

Maybe I can help with the metaphor... I'm stealing this metaphor from another member here, but will expand on it a bit.

Telling someone who has intense uncontrollably food cravings to moderate their food intake, is like telling a crack head to take only 3 hits a day. Morning, noon, and night. Not 2 hits, but just 1, and not between allotted times. Rather than smoking more crack, just run laps around your house, surely the runners high will be adequate. And most definitely do not smoke any crack in the evening while everyone around you is smoking it like it's free and has no consequences.

However - if you inject this solution in your belly once a week, the cravings almost completely disappear. Hmmm do I want to be miserable and constantly trying to fight off intense cravings? Or do I just go for the injection and be able to live a normal life like those around me?

If you think I'm even slightly exaggerating, you still don't understand.


The smart ass version of this is:

oh man... Really?!?! All I need to do is change my diet and exercise. WOW!! That's amazing!! Why has no one ever told me that?! Actually though, I'd rather spend thousands of dollars and countless hours researching to inject something that could potentially have long term consequences.


Not trying to start an argument, just trying to clarify the metaphor situation and give you a better understanding of why this might upset people.

Hope that helps!

Where'd I leave my crack pipe?!?!

 

[Bacchus]

You sell these products? Do you take them?

I do, wouldn’t make sense to sell a product if I don’t know how it works. Though I can’t say how it works for other people, it gives an indication at least.

I’ll probably continue using it too because I find it practical, which is abusing the medicine instead of using it - since it probably doesn’t have any substantial health benefits for me.

I’m not against using this medication at all, your body your choice 🤷‍♂️

I think my intention comes across or is interpreted in a different way than intended.

All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.

I consider these peptides miracle drugs with close to no downside, the risk/reward is absurdly good - But it is still medicine, and minimal use should be encouraged as a standard practice.

It could be that there really are no real downside to long term or even permanent use - but until that is an established fact, it is somewhat irresponsible to encourage use.

 

[MingHenry]

You're taking this med, which you say has no substantial health for you, because you find it practical? What does that even mean? And if it has no health benefit for you, why take it?

 

[MingHenry]

I do, wouldn’t make sense to sell a product if I don’t know how it works. Though I can’t say how it works for other people, it gives an indication at least.

I’ll probably continue using it too because I find it practical, which is abusing the medicine instead of using it - since it probably doesn’t have any substantial health benefits for me.

I’m not against using this medication at all, your body your choice 🤷‍♂️

I think my intention comes across or is interpreted in a different way than intended.

All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.

I consider these peptides miracle drugs with close to no downside, the risk/reward is absurdly good - But it is still medicine, and minimal use should be encouraged as a standard practice.

It could be that there really are no real downside to long term or even permanent use - but until that is an established fact, it is somewhat irresponsible to encourage use.

 

[MingHenry]

You're taking this med, which you say has no substantial health benefits for you, because you find it practical? What does that even mean? And if it has no health benefits for you, why take it?

 

[Bacchus]

Maybe I can help with the metaphor... I'm stealing this metaphor from another member here, but will expand on it a bit.

Telling someone who has intense uncontrollably food cravings to moderate their food intake, is like telling a crack head to take only 3 hits a day. Morning, noon, and night. Not 2 hits, but just 1, and not between allotted times. Rather than smoking more crack, just run laps around your house, surely the runners high will be adequate. And most definitely do not smoke any crack in the evening while everyone around you is smoking it like it's free and has no consequences.

However - if you inject this solution in your belly once a week, the cravings almost completely disappear. Hmmm do I want to be miserable and constantly trying to fight off intense cravings? Or do I just go for the injection and be able to live a normal life like those around me?

If you think I'm even slightly exaggerating, you still don't understand.


The smart ass version of this is:

oh man... Really?!?! All I need to do is change my diet and exercise. WOW!! That's amazing!! Why has no one ever told me that?! Actually though, I'd rather spend thousands of dollars and countless hours researching to inject something that could potentially have long term consequences.


Not trying to start an argument, just trying to clarify the metaphor situation and give you a better understanding of why this might upset people.

Hope that helps!

Where'd I leave my crack pipe?!?!

Yes, it helps.

Just quitting nicotine has me in hulk mode for days every time.

I don’t believe that I ever claimed that running some laps or simply controlling food intake will solve the problem without medication though.

And I’m definitely not trying to start an argument, that has no merit for me whatsoever.

All I’m saying is that promoting the use of medicine is in general not a good idea. But from what I’m reading in some replies here, it might be a good thing - if people truly hesitate to try it because there is a stigma and shame associated with these peptides.

But explaining that instead of saying I’m wrong and have no clue, would make more sense