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[Fisherman2356]

What Fisherman is going is vile and dangerous. If this forum is really concerned about harm reduction, they should not allow his narrative of reusing needles to perpetuate throughout this place.

Hahahaaa Let's crucify him, this is exactly why I refuse to fall inline or be "same" as everyone else. It's perfectly fine with me to be 100% opposite you and your views. I'll leave it at that.

 

[ostrichsak]

I am very strong willed and have absolutely no problem telling/making myself quit something that I know is dangerous.

All evidence to the contrary.

It's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate. There is literally nobody in the medical community on the side of "reusing needles is perfectly safe" so you're not taking up a cause that is still up for debate. You're not showing uncommon bravery in the face of a bunch of wussies the way you seem to be painting this. It cannot be stated how incredibly reckless and foolish this behavior is. The fact that you're ignorant to all of the reasons (they're out there if you actually want to learn) doesn't make it any less so.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

 

[Fisherman2356]

t's quite odd that you chose to listen to all of the data about how dangerous cigarettes were for your health and yet selectively choose to ignore even more data about how dangerous reusing needles is. Far more dangerous acutely, in fact. You seem to think this is some sort of opinion that's open for debate.

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Still waiting for the alleged upside to this choice.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

 

[ostrichsak]

It wasn't just data. I knew couple people that died in early 50's from lung cancer (and were smokers). I literally have never heard nor known someone that got sick from using/reusing a needle. That is not to say it doesn't happen, it simply means I have never heard nor witnessed a case.

Zero upside, especially if you believe that there are risks associated with it. For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says. The way I approach things I always do a lot of research and reading about any issue and then I come up with my own a conclusion (may not even be right, and most definitely not one that you may like). Once I make up my mind about something I feel very comfortable about my decision, accepting even the risks (usually very low if any, especially with using same needle more than once). Other than that, I'm very open minded and love other people's perspectives, but that will only help me to come to my own conclusions and not serve as cause for changing my mind. LOL, that's why the world is such a beautiful place because we are all different and I love the fact it is this way. You may need to look inwards if you happen to have a problem with people that differ or think differently than you, no matter how outlandish their stance may seem to you.

The problem here is that you think this is a Ford vs. Chevy debate rather medical fact that has been proven via scientific method for centuries. It's one of the known pillars of proper needle use since the dawn of needle use. It's not a handful of wussies with an opinion you don't agree with on the the world wide web. This is a goofy hill that you're choosing to die on, maybe literally.

Statements that you've made similar to what's in bold above are a clear & present danger to anyone else reading this who seems to think that this is sage wisdom to follow. This advice is some of the stupidest advice I've seen on this forum and it's a gray market peptides forum. Think about that statement for a minute.

I urge anyone who reads posts by Fisherman2356 to please just disregard them. This person(?) has clearly demonstrated that their data points are dangerous and shouldn't be followed in any way, shape or form.

I just can't comprehend the utter disregard for things that can and do absolutely kill people daily because.... Why was it again? Oh yeah.... "zero upside" is the motivation. Yeah, this all makes logical sense to me as someone who has nothing to lose or gain by anything you do.

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

That said, my motivation is no longer to help you understand something you are entirely blind to but to make sure that others aren't harmed by your ignorance on this topic. I truly wish you the best but that feels a bit pointless if you insist on regularly partaking in known reckless activities with no known upsides. That's the thing about Russian Roulette, you can choose to not play.

 

[Fisherman2356]

You seem to not understand the dangers. A few of us are trying to help you see that the dangers are indeed there and they are real. Then, if you at least understand what the dangers are and still choose highly risky behaviors, at least it was an informed decision. This idea that you're fine after less than 2 years and don't know anyone who has had an issue personally makes it "safe" would be laughable if it won't so dangerous.

I do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, a lot actually (experiences more so than opinions thou). My only thing is I can't accept someone else's view or opinion, being that of scientist and/or specialized doctors either. I have to feel comfortable and ultimately come up with my own conclusion even though I absolutely listen and consider other people's (and scientific) opinions but can't take it at face value. As an example, I personally know two people that died because either doctors misdiagnosed them (one of them) or failed to appropriately and timely diagnose them (the other one). I've also read somewhere that there are roughly 90,000 deaths per year due to doctor errors/misdiagnoses.

I would venture to guess that even yourself agrees I'd NEVER be part of that statistic. I might however become part (Highly doubtful) of a different statistic thou.

There have literally been cases where I have told people NOT to accept their doctor's opinion and I was right. One of people close to me was told they had a very dangerous condition and to start treatment/medication immediately. I told them to give me three days and NOT do anything for those three days. After a lot of research and reading, (some cases I specifically reached out and spoke to couple people), I came to the conclusion that the doctor was "STUPID" and had misdiagnosed my relative, and her situation was going to go in a very wrong and dangerous direction should she follow her doc's recommendation. Imagine being sick and in need of proper treatment/medication and getting the wrong medication/treatment. Basically, she had one problem and now she'd have multiple problems on top of the original one LOL.

Needless to say, I instructed her to visit a different doctor and specifically tell (new doctor) what she thinks she had (basically what I told them I suspect they had, which btw wasn't a nice thing but nowhere near life threatening as the first doctor had diagnosed). Lo and behold the second doctor agreed and properly diagnosed and treated her. Within couple months she was fully healed.

There are also cases (plenty if you asked me, so much so that the internet graveyards are full of them LOL) where scientific research of today is nullified and countered by a new study of tomorrow. What am (poor little) I to believe now. Might as well do my best to read and research and then make up my own mind and stick with it. It has worked perfectly for me so far. It may not work for you and anyone else. I'm ok with that.

Keep doing what works for you, and NEVER change it, but could you "please" extend me the same courtesy LOL. While you are free to keep pounding the ground at will, I'm comfortable and content with what I'm doing. Thanks for participating and your opinion, but sorry can't take your advice.

This is the end of this subject for me. You do you, and I'll do me.

 

[Zydeceltico]

For me it is just a matter of principle and NOT doing what everyone else does or says.

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.
🙂

...just watch

 

[ostrichsak]

I do appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions, a lot actually (experiences more so than opinions thou). My only thing is I can't accept someone else's view or opinion, being that of scientist and/or specialized doctors either. I have to feel comfortable and ultimately come up with my own conclusion even though I absolutely listen and consider other people's (and scientific) opinions but can't take it at face value. As an example, I personally know two people that died because either doctors misdiagnosed them (one of them) or failed to appropriately and timely diagnose them (the other one). I've also read somewhere that there are roughly 90,000 deaths per year due to doctor errors/misdiagnoses.

I would venture to guess that even yourself agrees I'd NEVER be part of that statistic. I might however become part (Highly doubtful) of a different statistic thou.

There have literally been cases where I have told people NOT to accept their doctor's opinion and I was right. One of people close to me was told they had a very dangerous condition and to start treatment/medication immediately. I told them to give me three days and NOT do anything for those three days. After a lot of research and reading, (some cases I specifically reached out and spoke to couple people), I came to the conclusion that the doctor was "STUPID" and had misdiagnosed my relative, and her situation was going to go in a very wrong and dangerous direction should she follow her doc's recommendation. Imagine being sick and in need of proper treatment/medication and getting the wrong medication/treatment. Basically, she had one problem and now she'd have multiple problems on top of the original one LOL.

Needless to say, I instructed her to visit a different doctor and specifically tell (new doctor) what she thinks she had (basically what I told them I suspect they had, which btw wasn't a nice thing but nowhere near life threatening as the first doctor had diagnosed). Lo and behold the second doctor agreed and properly diagnosed and treated her. Within couple months she was fully healed.

There are also cases (plenty if you asked me, so much so that the internet graveyards are full of them LOL) where scientific research of today is nullified and countered by a new study of tomorrow. What am (poor little) I to believe now. Might as well do my best to read and research and then make up my own mind and stick with it. It has worked perfectly for me so far. It may not work for you and anyone else. I'm ok with that.

Keep doing what works for you, and NEVER change it, but could you "please" extend me the same courtesy LOL. While you are free to keep pounding the ground at will, I'm comfortable and content with what I'm doing. Thanks for participating and your opinion, but sorry can't take your advice.

This is the end of this subject for me. You do you, and I'll do me.

You want to be the poster child for Darwinism? Go right ahead. Just stop posting about it on a public forum as if it's some revolutionary way to approach medicine that nobody else bothered considering before you. Someone has watched WAY too much network television doctor drama TV shows.

In case I wasn't clear previously, what you're suggesting is epic stupidity (there's no way to sugarcoat it) disguised as bravery & stubbornness (not a positive character trait despite your best efforts to frame it as such) with ZERO upside or benefit based on your own words. It's not like you've even attempted to present a valid reason to not follow proper germ protocol & best practices for needle use. The only thing I could even think of would be cost and you've said it yourself... it doesn't matter. There's literally zero reason not to subject yourself to the risk. None.

Do you use tap water to reconstitute your peptides or do you invest the extra money for bacteriostatic water?

 

[Fisherman2356]

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.
🙂

...just watch

Thanks for the invitation, not biting though. Love the ad hominem, keep'm coming LOL.

 

[ostrichsak]

Classic Oppositional Defiance Disorder and some other one that I haven't nailed down yet - potenitally Borderline.

Note to forum: you are talking to a brick wall - one that loves taunting you to keep you beating your head on it. It's for attention.
🙂

...just watch

Yeah, I gathered as much. I had a few minutes to kill and wanted to make it painfully clear to anyone else reading that this is NOT a source of data that should be seen as credible under any circumstance. I seriously doubt anyone would though... this is one of the most diabolically bad ideas I've read on the internet and I've been on forums since the 90's. That's a LOT of bad ideas. 😆

 

[Fisherman2356]

You want to be the poster child for Darwinism?

hahaaa this really made me laugh, Seriously dude, Darwinism? I'll only mention it once because this is not the right place for it (I guess you made me do it) but Darwinism is the biggest scam bs perpetrated by humans ever (actually used to be the biggest, now it is second biggest to the human made climate change bs scam). Everything I ever uttered on here would rightly point to anything but Darwinism, yet you somehow were able to do such an exemplary job at connecting the dots. LOL

 

[IshimaruKenta]

It is insanely asinine to state you've never been sick. Every single person that has ever lived, as been sick at least once in their lives. You aren't the only human ever to live that has never been sick. But clearly trying to talk sense into you in impossible and have fun living in the land of oblivious bliss. This thread should be closed so we don't feed the troll.

 

[Fisherman2356]

It is insanely asinine to state you've never been sick. Every single person that has ever lived, as been sick at least once in their lives.

I didn't say NEVER in my life, I said never in my adult life. I have never been to a doctor (in my adult life) either. You clearly missed it, but I did say that I have probably over 30 medications (most famous ones, and some not so famous) and do take a few (among other things) and not because I'm sick or have a condition but rather to prevent me from getting sick or having a condition. You would be surprised how much you'd learn if you allow yourself to. I know many who self-medicate (like me) and are in excellent health. Your doctor would NEVER prescribe what I'm taking dude so no point in arguing with you.

I'll only mention a little recent example. My sister had a horrible pain in her right ancle. I suggested to her to ask her doc to prescribe her LDN. Her doc got horrified at even mentioning it and said I would absolutely not do it and where did you hear such unusual idea. She prescribed her not one but two medications with neither making the slightest difference.

I drove to her house and gave her the LDN one evening (have plenty on hand if you need some lol), and the next morning she called me and said her pain is 90% gone. BTW, LDN is not even remotely approved for pain management. LOL dude you guys keep responding as if you are some geniuses and know it all by just regurgitating what is common knowledge and available everywhere and elsewhere. I'm not into conventional medicine (even though I do use conventional meds, among other thing for longevity and disease prevention).

It is really no need for me to respond because you simply have a cookie cutter mentality, and it's totally fine by me. I just do things that work and make sense to me regardless of it sounding controversial to someone else (but always after I have done a lot of research).

p.s, self-medicating is only good for preventative purposes. I would never suggest skipping going to a doctor and self-medicating if you do have a condition. However, you do need to educate and do a lot of research about your condition even after the doc has diagnosed you. Always seek a second opinion, and if you are lucky to know someone like me and ask them for advice, it would really be invaluable, not because I know everything (actually know very little) but because the way you approach a situation matters a lot. Most people are just sheep that fall perfectly in line while going into a slaughterhouse. Absolutely fine by me, though i wish people made slight effort to educate themselves and take charge of their lives and their situations as opposed to leaving to up to others to decide for them. You do you and keep trying to win the popularity contest. It really matters little to me.

 

[ostrichsak]

I didn't say NEVER in my life, I said never in my adult life. I have never been to a doctor (in my adult life) either. You clearly missed it, but I did say that I have probably over 30 medications (most famous ones) and do take a few (among other things) and not because I'm sick or have a condition but rather to prevent me from getting sick or having a condition. You would be surprised how much you'd learn if you allow yourself to. I know many who self-medicate (like me) and are in excellent health. Your doctor would NEVER prescribe what I'm taking dude so no point in arguing with you.

Correct because if he/she did I'd find a new doctor.

Finally, something we can agree on.

Let this be a lesson for everyone: if you really want to, you can find common ground with anyone regardless of how seemingly impossible that task may seem.

With that, I'm out on this topic. Best of luck with your voluntary game of chance where the stakes are your wellbeing (at best) & life (at worst) but hey, at least the reward is worth it if you win! /sarcasm

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

 

[Nathanologist]

Honestly it has absolutely NOTHING to do with money…
have never been sick in my life and have NEVER been to a doctor in my whole adult life… This I'm ZERO concerned about

The minute somebody starts speaking in absolutes I exit the conversation, as does any reason, common sense or fact based debate. Your own statements in the discussion cast doubt or even confirm those statements in absolute are not truth. I’m sorry, I’m out.

 

[yobculture]

Oof. After reading through this bizarre gaslighting, I’m thankful for the “ignore” button. Really scary stuff. I’d recommend others who are engaging use the “ignore” feature, too, because this really isn’t worth discussing anymore.