40,000 Patient Records Reflect >50% Maintained or Increased Weight Loss After 24 Months Off GLP’s

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According to the records of 40,000 patients at Epic, more than 50% of them were able to keep off the weight or continue to lose weight in the 2 years after discontinuation of GLP-1’s. Roughly 20% gained the weight back. This is based on medical records, not self-reported. Regardless of how many studies or reports come out, I still hear people parrot the narrative of Big Pharma that “once you pop, you can’t stop”. I get this may be the case for opioids, but GLP-1’s seem to affect different people differently.

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How many of those went underground and are still on glp…or just not sharing with their doc that they are on compound now…

The problem with cognitive bias is that no matter how much data exists there will always be people who insist the reported outcome must be fabricated. It’s not possible to do a scientific research study that convinces everyone. We still have folks who insist the Earth is flat. 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
Must have been some good motivation and life changes after losing a ton of weight. After that accomplishment your gonna fight tooth n nail not to fuck it up..... encouraging news!
My theory is that there was something healed in the gut. I was put on Semaglutide by a doctor when my BMI was 20 due to low levels of Akkermansia. I had an actual test though, it wasn’t a theory. I regularly hear people say “my hormones are all outta wack” yet the person hasn’t visited an endocrinologist, they just started dosing stuff or went on birth control or supplements to “balance their wacky hormones” with no baseline. Are they consulting tarot cards or astrology?
 
My theory is that there was something healed in the gut. I was put on Semaglutide by a doctor when my BMI was 20 due to low levels of Akkermansia. I had an actual test though, it wasn’t a theory. I regularly hear people say “my hormones are all outta wack” yet the person hasn’t visited an endocrinologist, they just started dosing stuff or went on birth control or supplements to “balance their wacky hormones” with no baseline. Are they consulting tarot cards or astrology?
This confuses me. Akkermansia produce GLP1, not the reverse, so why didnt your doc prescribe akkermansia probiotic, or you know, the implant procedure? With a bmi of 20, glp-1
wouldnt have been indicated?
 
I was on .25mg, idea at the time was to take it for 20 weeks and re-test; I started in August. Implant wasn’t suggested but I would be against that especially since I already get an MRI with contrast every 4-6 months. Before surgery they wanted to implant a vagus nerve stimulator in my chest and I declined. Ended up staying on Topamax instead until a few months after the procedure. I’m trying to move in a direction where I am less dependent on prescription medications.

I have another appointment beginning of December and I’ll ask about probiotics as an option.
 
How many of your epic records show you are still on it? My record almost 3 years ago shows I took MJ for 2 months and now it doesn’t…never stopped..would it count me as a maintainer?
I’m not with Epic but I understand the question is related to patient records. Have you had a conversation with your doctor? Out of the nearly 190,000 patients that discontinued GLP-1’s, they only chose to follow up with 40,000 of them, likely to control for situations like yours.
 
I’m not with Epic but I understand the question is related to patient records. Have you had a conversation with your doctor? Out of the nearly 190,000 patients that discontinued GLP-1’s, they only chose to follow up with 40,000 of them, likely to control for situations like yours.
This article doesn’t say it controlled for anything. The fact that the authors do not mention the possibility of patients switching to compounding as a limiting factor in this study makes it weak.

If my chart was picked for this study it would show that I discontinued it (no more prescriptions written and no self report from the patient) and lost more after I stopped picking of prescriptions. How could the chart detect I went to compound?

To those that carry the genetic propensity for obesity we know that nothing is being cured. When we come off glps we find the insatiable appetite and our exquisitely trained taste buds come right back on line…not much warm up necessary.
 
To those that carry the genetic propensity for obesity we know that nothing is being cured. When we come off glps we find the insatiable appetite and our exquisitely trained taste buds come right back on line…not much warm up necessary.
Mine starts to come back by the end of the week. I can't imagine maintaining for 2 years after stopping GLPs, without feeling hungry all the time like I have on so many diets. I'm not going back to that!
 
This confuses me. Akkermansia produce GLP1, not the reverse, so why didnt your doc prescribe akkermansia probiotic, or you know, the implant procedure? With a bmi of 20, glp-1
wouldnt have been indicated?
Probiotics alone won’t change your gut permanently. One is better off changing their diet to feed the bacteria they desire.
 
Just my opinion here
I suspect there are some serious methodological flaws in this study, I am not qualified to judge this, but if any readers with research experience are, feel free to comment.
It is worth noting that this is not published in a peer reviewed journal. "However, it’s important to note that they do an internal peer review, but no third party peer review"
There have been a lot of studies on weight regain after weight loss, as in hundreds to thousands of papers on the subject. The results of this study are not consistent with the previous research.
In general most studies over the past 40 to 50 years show that most people who lose weight regain all or most of that weight over the next few years. Irrespective of how they lost the weight. This has been my personal experience as well.
The SURMOUNT-4 Randomized Clinical Trial
After 36 weeks of open-label maximum tolerated dose of tirzepatide (10 or 15 mg), adults (n = 670) with obesity or overweight (without diabetes) experienced a mean weight reduction of 20.9%. From randomization (at week 36), those switched to placebo experienced a 14% weight regain and those continuing tirzepatide experienced an additional 5.5% weight reduction during the 52-week double-blind period.
This is a prospective, controlled, randomised clinical trial published in a reputable peer reviewed journal JAMA Journal of the American Medical Association
It showed 20.9% weight loss with tirzepatide, after ceasing it over a year, the ones on placebo gained 14%, leaving average weight loss of 6.9%, those who received tirzepatide lost a further 5.5%.
There are many other good quality peer reviewed papers that show similar results for tirzepatide, semaglutide and all other weight loss methods over decades excepting surgery.
Sorry but that study sounds great but is not likely to be accurate, there is very little description of their methods of getting and interpreting the data they used so it is not really possible to assess what went wrong. They are making extraordinary claims, that are different to the established body of research, do not acknowledge this in the article and fail to provide the extraordinary evidence to back up their claims.
One of the great things about access to inexpensive GLP-1 drugs is you can experiment with stopping and starting and increasing and decreasing doses as needed. Based on the research, I think most people are going to need to stay on the dose they used to lose the weight, to keep it off, but trying reduced doses or stopping it for maintenance is a easy harmless experiment so long as you don't let weight regain get away from you before restarting it if necessary.
 
Probiotics alone won’t change your gut permanently. One is better off changing their diet to feed the bacteria they desire.
That is totally true, and some probiotics are tricky to acquire. There is one you only get when you're born. Antibiotics kill them.
 
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