Janoshik says Sterile/Saline Water as good as Bac Water - Video

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Jano mentions sterile water reconned peps could last more than what we previously thought. Should we Europeans quit stressing over bac water and just get the real deal from the pharmacy? He mentions 2-4 weeks in the fridge. This got me fucked up. Can we agree on consensus?
 
Jano is probably the most knowledgeable person on earth when it comes to testing UGL peptides, so I would take his advice on that front.


But if he can't bring actual serious empirical evidence that it's alright, by running the experiments, then I'm going to stick to taking the recommendations of every single large medical organization (FDA, EMA, NHS, WHO etc) in the world with regards to multi use vials, that is, that they need a bacteriostat agent in them.
 
He also said that they do that because BAC water is hard to come by in the EU. Lots of them looking for it on Reddit, but you can't discuss BAC there either. I'd much prefer to have BAC with 0.9% benzyl alcohol to inhibit bacterial growth than not. If you're going through a vial a month, it's probably fine, but I'm not.
 
Chili777 said:
He also said that they do that because BAC water is hard to come by in the EU. Lots of them looking for it on Reddit, but you can't discuss BAC there either. I'd much prefer to have BAC with 0.9% benzyl alcohol to inhibit bacterial growth than not. If you're going through a vial a month, it's probably fine, but I'm not.
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Yes, I run my bac for up to 90days....
 
Roidynoob said:

Jano mentions sterile water reconned peps could last more than what we previously thought. Should we Europeans quit stressing over bac water and just get the real deal from the pharmacy? He mentions 2-4 weeks in the fridge. This got me fucked up. Can we agree on consensus?
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I just found this over there also. Might make sense if you can keep everything sterile. This person is from the UK and recommends UK-Peptides, but the post is old:
Make your own, amazon sells sealed 10 mg vials.
Rinse by boiling in water, leave to dry.
Then buy a 10 mg syringe.
Buy again from amazon a box of 24 bottles of 90ml cow&gate serilised water add to the ten mark of a 1mg syringe of Benzyl Alcohol 99.9% pure.
It well keep your wallet alot more full.
It's easy after first try. And save you a packet.
Cheers.
 
Nathanologist said:
I just recon with 99.99% Benzyl Alcohol, and leave it on the shelf in the bathroom, stays fresh and clean for about 99.99 months and sterilizes my whole body. Nonstop ISRs though and it burns like the sun.
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I haven’t been here that long but I figured you did it differently 🤣🤣
 
Roidynoob said:

Jano mentions sterile water reconned peps could last more than what we previously thought. Should we Europeans quit stressing over bac water and just get the real deal from the pharmacy? He mentions 2-4 weeks in the fridge. This got me fucked up. Can we agree on consensus?
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Yes but, he also says throw it all away after 28 days.. Most of us use the bac so we feel like we dont have to do that.
 
Roidynoob said:

Jano mentions sterile water reconned peps could last more than what we previously thought. Should we Europeans quit stressing over bac water and just get the real deal from the pharmacy? He mentions 2-4 weeks in the fridge. This got me fucked up. Can we agree on consensus?
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I lives in the US. I'm happy with Hospira BAC water. But if I had difficulties finding BAC water, I'd use sterile water. Currently, I'll use a vial that has been reconstituted within the last 90 days. I expect I'd be less willing to wait that long if I didn't have BAC water.
 
Chili777 said:
I just found this over there also. Might make sense if you can keep everything sterile. This person is from the UK and recommends UK-Peptides, but the post is old:
Make your own, amazon sells sealed 10 mg vials.
Rinse by boiling in water, leave to dry.
Then buy a 10 mg syringe.
Buy again from amazon a box of 24 bottles of 90ml cow&gate serilised water add to the ten mark of a 1mg syringe of Benzyl Alcohol 99.9% pure.
It well keep your wallet alot more full.
It's easy after first try. And save you a packet.
Cheers.
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damn, does anybody actually do this regularly aside from OP? Might give it a go
 
Roidynoob said:
damn, does anybody actually do this regularly aside from OP? Might give it a go
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DIY BAC water is possible, but make sure you order depyrogenated supplies from reputable sources such as lab/medical supply companies (ie not amazon), and practice OCD sterile techniques.

www.pharmaguideline.com

Difference between Sterilization and Depyrogenation

Sterilization and depyrogenation are useful process in sterile pharmaceutical manufacturing and both are almost similar but have huge difference.
www.pharmaguideline.com www.pharmaguideline.com
 
GLP1Pharmacist said:
I would rather spend the $10 for a 30ml Hospira bottle than this nonsense with increased risk.
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I posted that because, for whatever reason, Hospira and BAC in general, is hard to find in the EU. The OP is across the pond. That BAC "recipe" was posted by a researcher in the UK who gave up on finding a regular supply.
 
Another question I got. Does ph affect absorption or bioavailability of the pep?
Im sure above 10 or below 3 will most likely impair it but what if the offset is moderate?
 
IshimaruKenta said:
They're $10 each, but a 5 bottle limit at Injection Shop. 🤷‍♂️
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They're only $10 each if you buy 5 of them. Otherwise you pay shipping which makes them more than $10 each. If you need one bottle it's nearly $20 each. That's like saying that you can get an M&M for $0.01 each rather than telling someone how much a bag of M&Ms costs to make it seem like a deal.

Let's be real, $10 for a 30ml of water & alcohol (nearly as much as the actual peptide vial you're reconstituting in many cases) isn't exactly a bargain in the first place even if that price existed. Which is doesn't unless you buy in bulk. Even then they can't even say the brand it is? What kind of a goofy game is that?

"Oh, it's good. Trust us. The brand starts with an H but it could be Husqvarna for all you know. Just give us $50 and trust us that this water people on forums claim is liquid gold is worth it."

Also, 5 bottles of 30ml is roughly 50 reconstituted 3ml vials. How many peptides you got the average user taking to use that up in a reasonable amount of time? I know that many are comfortable with going beyond expiration dates but 50 vials worth for the average user is many years.

I'm all for having trusted sources for bac water but, at the end of the day, it's just water & alcohol processed & packaged in a sterile controlled environment. It shouldn't be so clandestine, expensive or such a polarizing topic. I'm not saying that everyone should just reconstitute w/toilet water but there's a lot of exits between that and $20/bottle designer bacteriostatic water.
 
ostrichsak said:
They're only $10 each if you buy 5 of them. Otherwise you pay shipping which makes them more than $10 each. If you need one bottle it's nearly $20 each. That's like saying that you can get an M&M for $0.01 each rather than telling someone how much a bag of M&Ms costs to make it seem like a deal.

Let's be real, $10 for a 30ml of water & alcohol (nearly as much as the actual peptide vial you're reconstituting in many cases) isn't exactly a bargain in the first place even if that price existed. Which is doesn't unless you buy in bulk. Even then they can't even say the brand it is? What kind of a goofy game is that?

"Oh, it's good. Trust us. The brand starts with an H but it could be Husqvarna for all you know. Just give us $50 and trust us that this water people on forums claim is liquid gold is worth it."

Also, 5 bottles of 30ml is roughly 50 reconstituted 3ml vials. How many peptides you got the average user taking to use that up in a reasonable amount of time? I know that many are comfortable with going beyond expiration dates but 50 vials worth for the average user is many years.

I'm all for having trusted sources for bac water but, at the end of the day, it's just water & alcohol processed & packaged in a sterile controlled environment. It shouldn't be so clandestine, expensive or such a polarizing topic. I'm not saying that everyone should just reconstitute w/toilet water but there's a lot of exits between that and $20/bottle designer bacteriostatic water.
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Uh no, I've bought from there plenty of times and gotten 3 bottles for $30. I don't know why you're fighting this. Go to MedEx Supply and get a case of 25 for $200 if you don't like it.
 
IshimaruKenta said:
Uh no, I've bought from there plenty of times and gotten 3 bottles for $30. I don't know why you're fighting this. Go to MedEx Supply and get a case of 25 for $200 if you don't like it.
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That's STILL not $10 and it doesn't even exist today. $50 is the minimum for no shipping charge from the link you provided which can't even say it's the name brand you claim it is for some odd reason.

I'm "fighting" you on this (if that's what you want to call it) because it's not a difficult concept to understand. Two people in this thread have stated it's $10 per bottle (which is still a lot for water & alcohol) and this isn't a price that's replicable in any way, shape of form.

The closest you can get is buying in bulk starting at $50. That's not the same as buying something for $10. Telling someone to go spend $200 on a case of 25 is going the wrong direction. There's no need to make up numbers or act like something is a better deal than it is. Math is math.

Acting like anyone can just walk into a local store and lay down a $10 bill and walk out with Hospira BAC water isn't a reality so presenting it as being that simple isn't accurate. Let's be accurate. Lots of people on this forum don't have access to BAC water at all, let alone a specific brand let alone at a decent price.

The only one "fighting" here is you and since we're talking about #'s there's really no argument to be had. My #'s accurate, yours are not.
 
ostrichsak said:
That's STILL not $10 and it doesn't even exist today. $50 is the minimum for no shipping charge from the link you provided which can't even say it's the name brand you claim it is for some odd reason.

I'm "fighting" you on this (if that's what you want to call it) because it's not a difficult concept to understand. Two people in this thread have stated it's $10 per bottle (which is still a lot for water & alcohol) and this isn't a price that's replicable in any way, shape of form.

The closest you can get is buying in bulk starting at $50. That's not the same as buying something for $10. Telling someone to go spend $200 on a case of 25 is going the wrong direction. There's no need to make up numbers or act like something is a better deal than it is. Math is math.

Acting like anyone can just walk into a local store and lay down a $10 bill and walk out with Hospira BAC water isn't a reality so presenting it as being that simple isn't accurate. Let's be accurate. Lots of people on this forum don't have access to BAC water at all, let alone a specific brand let alone at a decent price.

The only one "fighting" here is you and since we're talking about #'s there's really no argument to be had. My #'s accurate, yours are not.
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So you're bitching about having to pay shipping? What does the price on the site say? $9.99. Sure, if you don't want to pay shipping, add more things to get to $50. That still doesn't change the price of the individual bottle. Blame Hospira for the prescription requirements and the high price. We're just offering cheaper options. But if you want to bitch because you don't want to pay shipping, that's a you problem. If you don't like it, buy a case or make your own ffs. You must be fun at parties.

Do you complain to a store manager because you have to pay sales tax and it's not the listed price? Or do you complain to Amazon (or any etailer) when you have to pay tax  and shipping? 🙄
 
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IshimaruKenta said:
So you're bitching about having to pay shipping? What does the price on the site say? $9.99. Sure, if you don't want to pay shipping, add more things to get to $50. That still doesn't change the price of the individual bottle. Blame Hospira for the prescription requirements and the high price. We're just offering cheaper options. But if you want to bitch because you don't want to pay shipping, that's a you problem. If you don't like it, buy a case or make your own ffs. You must be fun at parties.
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Ah yes, the classic "You must be fun at parties" line. How original.

Nobody is "bitching" about anything. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you can NOT get a bottle of Hospira BAC water for $10. You can get one for about double that or buy in bulk in amounts that most normal users don't need to get it down to that price but there's literally no way to just buy a bottle for $10... which is already a lot for water & alcohol.

This thread is about other viable options for both money savings as well as those who won't have access to BAC water at all, let alone luxury brand names of water & alcohol. It's weird how you're defending Hospira as if you have some sort of personal ties to it or something. Weird.
 
On Peppys, there were divided cases (well close 12 vials), shipped for 100 or 105. Which is less than 10 each and can split locally with a friend if needed.

Use the cheap Chinese stuff or some home brew risky mess if you want.

At 10-30 per vials for peptides and 10 for hospira, still tons cheaper than brand.
 
ostrichsak said:
Ah yes, the classic "You must be fun at parties" line. How original.

Nobody is "bitching" about anything. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you can NOT get a bottle of Hospira BAC water for $10. You can get one for about double that or buy in bulk in amounts that most normal users don't need to get it down to that price but there's literally no way to just buy a bottle for $10... which is already a lot for water & alcohol.

This thread is about other viable options for both money savings as well as those who won't have access to BAC water at all, let alone luxury brand names of water & alcohol. It's weird how you're defending Hospira as if you have some sort of personal ties to it or something. Weird.
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JFC you're annoying. I've clearly found another annoying ass person to set to ignore.
 
GLP1Pharmacist said:
On Peppys, there were divided cases (well close 12 vials), shipped for 100 or 105. Which is less than 10 each and can split locally with a friend if needed.

Use the cheap Chinese stuff or some home brew risky mess if you want.

At 10-30 per vials for peptides and 10 for hospira, still tons cheaper than brand.
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But that's not $10 a vial!! I want to speak to your manager!
 
Roidynoob said:
Another question I got. Does ph affect absorption or bioavailability of the pep?
Im sure above 10 or below 3 will most likely impair it but what if the offset is moderate?
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You want to shoot for ~7 pH for most peps. Others need specific pH like cagrilintide (~4) and others I can't think of off the top of my head. Higher pH can ruin a pep, cause it to gel, etc.
 
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