One Week Reta Blood Sugar Results

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In the past I've controlled my type 2 diabetes with the combination of metformin and a low-carb diet. I stopped the metformin the same day I started the reta, since it would be largely redundant and unnecessary. Since I wear a CGM to keep track of things I have a little more data than most here. Thought I'd share the postprandial response for a meal consisting of roughly one and a half large baked potatoes (which is a great way to create a gigantic blood sugar spike. Here are before and after pics (of the CGM, not me) for anyone curious. The early one would have been with a large amount of butter (which should reduce the magnitude of the spike). The one from today was lightly coated in olive oil (which should make the spike taller). I didn't weigh them out to ensure equivalency or anything, but I find those large spikes don't tend to be strongly portion dependent.

It's striking that within 3 to 4 days, my blood sugar normalized with fasting levels hovering around 80 mg/dL between meals and the glycemic response from any high-glycemic meals has been largely flawless. There was some weight loss in that period, but it wasn't significant enough where I would have anticipated any meaningful difference in blood sugar results based on the small weight change (I'm no stranger to weight fluctuation).

There is a theory (admittedly, kind of fringe) that in some cases type 2 diabetes is ultimately a disorder of excessive glucagon. The thinking goes that because of the excess glucagon, the liver is continually releasing glucose (whether from glycogen stores or gluconeogenesis) at inappropriate times. Specifically, you want your liver to do that a couple hours after a meal (or whenever absorption in the gut slows down to keep food energy flowing), but you want it to stop doing that after you have your next meal and go back to absorbing glucose from the blood instead. If it fails to stop, blood sugar becomes poorly controlled. I have no idea if that theory is right, but since my blood sugar has been well controlled after meals and quickly returned to baseline the last couple days, it does support that idea (since I know my glucagon is currently suppressed at least a small amount).

Very low calories could also partially explain the behavior, but I had ~2500 calories yesterday as well as a late breakfast today, which isn't too far removed from how I would have been eating a week ago. Also when I've previously done extended fasts (typically 2-3 days), they didn't have any sort of carry-over effect like this. As best as I can tell, this is a purely hormonal result.

For those curious, I've had three 1 mg doses and should currently have about 1.5 mg floating around in there (based on half-life calculations).
 

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Just a thought, most docs are continuing to prescribe metformin along with the GLP-1. It has a lot of great effects and in many countries, it's prescribed to pretty much everyone, regardless of diabetic status. Typically, it is prescribed at 500mg when used along with glp-1s, and the extended release is most helpful. It's only about 2 dollars a month for a script, so it might be helpful to you to do a little googling and see if it might be worth staying on it 🙂
 
Just a thought, most docs are continuing to prescribe metformin along with the GLP-1. It has a lot of great effects and in many countries, it's prescribed to pretty much everyone, regardless of diabetic status. Typically, it is prescribed at 500mg when used along with glp-1s, and the extended release is most helpful. It's only about 2 dollars a month for a script, so it might be helpful to you to do a little googling and see if it might be worth staying on it 🙂
The reason I brought up metformin was more to illustrate how dramatic of a change reta was making on my blood sugar equilibrium. Had I went off metformin without reta, from experience I can tell you that a large potato meal would have been an even bigger and more sustained spike, so that makes the very rapid glycemic control that returned with reta all the more impressive.

Honestly, I can't say I've made up my mind one way or the other on my use of metformin down the road and it's possible I'll cycle back on it at some point. I've already cycled off and back on it several times over the years to see what impact doing so would have. My dose has typically been 2000 mg/day (1000 mg in the morning and 1000 mg before bed). In the presence of poor glycemic control (or maybe even for someone with an elevated fasted insulin level), I think an argument could possibly be made in favor of it, but also I think people who view it as a "longevity drug" or as a more universal good may be getting duped by a statistical quirk.
 
Metformin prescribed along side GLP1 medications increases the availability of the GLP1 medication and also increases leptin levels, assist with increased metabolism, protect against kidney and cardiovascular diseases - yeah, maybe the longevity studies are statistical quirks, but the evidence is undeniable that metformin has other benefits.

As for GLP1s doing a far better job at lowering glucose, oh yeah, for sure! I was on 2000 metformin and two other glucose lowering drugs and still had an A1C of 9.6. I'm now at 5.6, and only take 7.5mg tirz with a 500mg metformin. The difference is night and day.
 
Metformin prescribed along side GLP1 medications increases the availability of the GLP1 medication and also increases leptin levels, assist with increased metabolism, protect against kidney and cardiovascular diseases - yeah, maybe the longevity studies are statistical quirks, but the evidence is undeniable that metformin has other benefits.

As for GLP1s doing a far better job at lowering glucose, oh yeah, for sure! I was on 2000 metformin and two other glucose lowering drugs and still had an A1C of 9.6. I'm now at 5.6, and only take 7.5mg tirz with a 500mg metformin. The difference is night and day.
Nice work on getting back down into the normal range, especially after what must have been years with an elevated A1c (or at least I'm assuming based on your being on multiple glucose lowering drugs). I know it's a lot harder to get things back in balance once you have been at a higher A1c for an extended number of years and it's much less common for people to succeed there. I was just reading the reta phase 1b trial in diabetics and while the weight loss results were tremendous, it was a little disheartening to see that even at the highest doses, participants generally didn't return to normal blood sugar ranges by the end of the trial.

I've personally hovered in the 5.6% to 5.8% range the last few years after being diagnosed at 13.7%, but that was with significant effort put into dietary management.
 
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