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I guess I could have been more clear, I mean the "group buy" vendor (the US entity, as opposed to the Chinese "supplier") standing behind whoever's product they're selling. As long as they remain reputable from that standpoint I couldn't care less who they source from. It's no different than...

Just sterile water. BAC water is mostly a North American thing since apparently people here are too careless and ignorant and like to prepare and inject their medications disturbingly close to where they poop. I am not aware of any endless strings of death overseas from patients using sterile...

I always go back to a similar situation years ago with Viagra. Pfizer spent countless millions (maybe billions) trying to stop the flow of foreign duplicates for 10+ years, often with Uncle Sam's assistance hand-in-hand. You know how many people they stopped from getting their boner pills...

Why even bother thinking about never mind worrying about this stuff? Focus on the things you can control in your own lives, not what anyone on TokTok, MySpace or anywhere else says and does. Doing otherwise is like trying to tell water to stop being wet.

I always find this question puzzling. There are a couple thousand drugs listed in the USP and most tests are looking for maybe a dozen max so why does anyone think that diabetes medication would be something they're looking for? "Hey Marv, let's skip opioids on this test and instead see if this...

Folks need to delete the concept of group buys from their lexicon as it pertains to this hobby. The original couple buys were actual group buys for the most part, but since then "Group Buy" is just code for a vendor who isn't investing in branding, labeling, testing, etc. Personally, I've...

The time to really worry about any of this will be when they've solved fentanyl. Until then it will just be a matter of periodic hassles and inconveniences.

While the potential danger of TFA in humans is still a largely unsettled question, personally I wouldn't be inclined to take the risk when more common counter-ion forms are available. GLP-1's in general are readily available in the sodium salt form and while acetates aren't uncommon the...

Correct, new users can't DM, and I find it strange that anyone could order from PGB but not know how to get hold of them.

You are correct, although it does seem that demand for BAC is increasing in the EU as peptide fever grips the world and people start digging deeper into the potential downsides of multi-dose vials without any preservative.

Nice way to throw your fellow enthusiasts under the bus.

Don't be. Any company that relies on cross-border trade is not going to risk the ire of two governments by lying on customs declarations. Most companies won't even fudge the declared value anymore. Same thing with individuals who have NEXUS or Global Entry; any hint of mischief and they'll...

But, but, overthinking every little thing!

Please stop spying on me.

Clearly in this case water is thicker than blood.

Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are the two main peptide manufacturers in the US that I can think of.

I'm usually not the "you should google that" guy, but I'm trying to get ready for a trip and don't have as much time as I'd like to explain it with as much detail as I normally try to; but anyway google the difference between bacteriostatic and bactericidal and hopefully that will help clear...

What would be great is Tracy becoming a TokTik sensation.

Ironically I've been planning a "daily dose of wisdom" post on this very subject, but in the meantime here's my take starting with the outside diameter (OD) of the three most common insulin syringe size needle gauges in mm: 31G .2604mm 30G .3112mm 29G .3366mm The difference between a...

I may have this etched into my gravestone.

It don't know if trusting a company that apparently also manufactures drain cleaner in the same facility makes for the most comforting sales pitch. 🤪 The issue isn't so much a matter of alternative sources for BAC in general, but more the questionable nature of the products offered on Amazon...

Business has already exploded without them needing to do much if any of that. Many domestic vendors try to some degree, but for the Chinese their success in anything is most often accomplished by doing the absolute minimum possible. Then of course there are the domestic vendors who literally...

Didn't I just read in the past couple of days that many of the orders from Canada are being intercepted?

I have no issue with people sharing their experiences with Nextel (or any other vendor) as long as they are genuine and not shills motivated by discounts or free stuff.

This. I'm never discouraged by anyone having any issues or missteps along this journey who is putting in the time and effort to learn everything they can to improve their lives and health and especially doing so safely and being a wise consumer.

I had a feeling. While not unheard of, it's rare for an altered test report to still include a valid QR code. IMHO it still doesn't mean that ZLZ is a reputable vendor, and I will stand behind them being banned here and not being a place anyone here should buy from regardless of price.

Vendor-supplied test reports (calling them a "COA" is pretty meaningless since that only "certifies" that the vial(s) tested at that time had X results, nothing more; people seem to like the COA term because it sounds official and impressive) are only good for one thing: holding vendors to...

Do you have links to the post(s) that led you believe ZLZ was anything but scammers? They were banned from here quite a while ago. What does the QR code on the test report lead to? It's too fuzzy in the pic you posted to scan, but even if the key was missing, cut-off, or intentionally removed...

If what I'm going to start calling "the list people" really wanted to help newbies, they would be making lists of which vendors to AVOID instead of which vendors they think (or are paid or otherwise incentivized to include) are worthy of those newbies blind faith and hard-earned money; yet I...

There's a history of her buying random leftover & unwanted vials from people on Discord and elsewhere (mostly using alts) that she then slaps an SPC or other label on to make it appear to match whatever tests she's relying on to peddle her wares. If she's breathing, she's lying.

Stop buying "BAC" on Amazon. Problem staying solved. Or spend a few hundred bucks having a vial tested, and if it turns out OK cross your fingers that you maybe get the same thing when you re-order. Seems less expensive just to buy the name brand stuff to me.

I will once again take this opportunity to point out that the "Pris" half of Depris is Spicy Priscilla ('SpicyPRI', etc.) who is all too familiar to those of us who have been around a while for her dangerous and unsanitary practices including selling vials of GLP-1's that she reconstitutes...

It's been a while since I've heard anyone mention going that overboard on a freezer, especially after the tests showing even dramatic temperature swings didn't cause degradation. Perhaps this pursuit is a side-effect of your deathly citrus allergy?

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These guys seem to have pretty good pricing: They even offer a telehealth service to get the prescription. Any commercially-produced MDV (multiple dose vial) will have BA as a preservative. Use caution if you buy any of the veterinary-grade stuff as it often has 2-3x the BA concentration and...

I checked your permissions and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to see that section. You don't even need to be a member to see it, the only restriction is who can post there. If you really can't see it, please send me a screen shot showing what you can see so I can dig into it a...

My understanding is that compared to everything else they sell there is very little profit in BAC for the Chinese, so I suspect the same might be true for PGB.

I'm not sure if it was you or someone else but as zpped just reminded us, I had mentioned in another thread a while back that it took PGB's supplier a few tries to get it right (they actually sent sterile water instead of BAC the first time), but they have managed to get it pretty spot-on and I...

Sounds like unnecessary complication imho. The BAC water situation will work out eventually.

"Most of the gray market buyers Reuters interviewed had told their medical providers they were taking GLP-1 medicines but not where or how they bought them." https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/stung-by-high-prices-americans-make-their-own-weight-loss-drugs-2025-06-27/

I heard a rumor you were secretly a hundredaire like me.

There are a few issues of concern with non-pharma BAC: 1. Starting with the simplest, the risk of contamination is obviously higher since we rarely see any independent testing done of BAC waters that includes any of the tests that we often expect be done with most of our peptides like...

The situation is being monitored and has been for a couple of weeks now. If/when there is something to announce rest assured I'll announce it. (y)

I'm not sure there's ever been anyone with appropriate expertise in Chinese law that's deemed GLP production "legal" over there. It's kind of like the research use only "exemption" countless people rely on when discussing US law that doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on yet the masses...

I own two. (y)

Thanks! Even at my heaviest I never got above a 40" waist. I've always been kind of (muffin) top-heavy with no ass. Think Stan from American Dad lol.

Thanks! I'm gonna try to pull some info together over the weekend from the spreadsheet I've been keeping along the way to help paint a better picture of how it all has been progressing, etc.

32's actually fit perfectly, I just have no ass. 🤪 (Which is ironic based on how many people seem to think I'm an ass!)

It's been a looooooong road traveled since starting on Mounjaro way back on April Fool's day 2023, and mentally seems even longer for the last few pounds to break under 200lbs. (For my metric friends that's just shy of 50kg down; don't ask me what it is in stone.) For my fellow math nerds...

Never heard of her. One company in North America makes actual BAC water, and that's Pfizer/Hospira. Anything else is imitation "reconstitution solution", and while theoretically the same ingredients it's likely not the same. That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, but buying from random places...