“US Made”

[keangkong]

99% of All peptides come from China. I don't care what they tell you.

Only 99%. Where does the other 1% come from?

 

[Nathanologist]

The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.

It’s not splitting hairs — this is a very different ethical situation. There’s a big gap between Janoshik allowing anyone who didn’t purchase a test to pay for a name change or buy a COA outright (without sending in a sample), versus Janoshik allowing the original test purchaser to pay for edits to the report header.

Janoshik already relies on the purchaser to provide the header info — name, product, quantity, source, etc. The lab doesn’t verify that data to my knowledge; they just receive it by email and then test the corresponding vial. In that context, charging a small fee to edit header details isn’t unethical. It’s actually mostly normal practice from a proofing perspective. The only data Janoshik certifies is the test results of what was in the vial they were sent.

But this also highlights why tests done by a lab or reseller aren’t really true third-party tests. The “third party” (the lab) isn’t choosing the sample — the vendor or client is. That means they could have a stockpile of product with variable purity and send only the one clean vial for testing. There’s a whole chain of unknowns between the lab, wholesaler, reseller, and you. So what does that COA really prove?

The only result that actually matters is the one from a sample you send, tested under your name. Even then, if you test one vial out of ten, all you know is that one vial is clean — not the rest. The ideal method would be to take a small portion from each vial and test either the combined sample or each one separately, though that’s probably not practical, possible or safe. If anyone’s found a safe, realistic way to do that, I’d love to hear it.

As for the report header itself — the lab will list whatever information you provide, and they’ll update it if you ask (unless they suspect something misleading or unethical, as I just noticed in their “more info” documentation; maybe I misunderstand that).

 

[peptideusername]

The end result is a vendor COA that has USA resellers name on it.

Same end result to the buyer. Buyer thinks "ABC USA Peptide" send off vials to get tested, which they never did. Your splitting hairs doesn't invalidate end user experience, lack of 3p testing, or USA reseller adding any measure of safety or authenticity to end user / consumer.

I wasn't splitting hairs, I was correcting your incorrect information with some nuance. I wasn't trying to invalidate anything.

Grass is green, water is wet, and yes - everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion. But they're not entitled to their own facts. And the fact is that you can't just pay Janoshik to change the header of a test result because you want to.

If you have a complaint about their process, don't bitch at me. Feel free to send your complains here: [email protected]

 

[HoopFan]

This is 100% not how it works. Careful throwing accusations out there like that.

Agreed! This sounds like someone got at the tail end of the Grapevine Game.

 

[frankpeptid]

I wasn't splitting hairs, I was correcting your incorrect information with some nuance. I wasn't trying to invalidate anything.

Grass is green, water is wet, and yes - everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion. But they're not entitled to their own facts. And the fact is that you can't just pay Janoshik to change the header of a test result because you want to.

If you have a complaint about their process, don't bitch at me. Feel free to send your complains here: [email protected]

I don't have to take your word for it or email janoshik. I know exactly the process already since I've got it directly from them. The point remains, many USA vendor resell their peptides with a rebranded header, without ever sending in their own inventory for testing, piggy backing off vendor COA for mere $30 fee, slap their label on it and called it "Made in USA" and markup for 10-20x. Pathetic. And I don't think Janoshik should allow it either.. but hey, whatever. The average consumer / person is unaware of this process, unfortunately.

 

[keangkong]

It’s not splitting hairs — this is a very different ethical situation. There’s a big gap between Janoshik allowing anyone who didn’t purchase a test to pay for a name change or buy a COA outright (without sending in a sample), versus Janoshik allowing the original test purchaser to pay for edits to the report header.

Janoshik already relies on the purchaser to provide the header info — name, product, quantity, source, etc. The lab doesn’t verify that data to my knowledge; they just receive it by email and then test the corresponding vial. In that context, charging a small fee to edit header details isn’t unethical. It’s actually mostly normal practice from a proofing perspective. The only data Janoshik certifies is the test results of what was in the vial they were sent.

But this also highlights why tests done by a lab or reseller aren’t really true third-party tests. The “third party” (the lab) isn’t choosing the sample — the vendor or client is. That means they could have a stockpile of product with variable purity and send only the one clean vial for testing. There’s a whole chain of unknowns between the lab, wholesaler, reseller, and you. So what does that COA really prove?

The only result that actually matters is the one from a sample you send, tested under your name. Even then, if you test one vial out of ten, all you know is that one vial is clean — not the rest. The ideal method would be to take a small portion from each vial and test either the combined sample or each one separately, though that’s probably not practical, possible or safe. If anyone’s found a safe, realistic way to do that, I’d love to hear it.

As for the report header itself — the lab will list whatever information you provide, and they’ll update it if you ask (unless they suspect something misleading or unethical, as I just noticed in their “more info” documentation; maybe I misunderstand that).

You wrote the best, in my opinion, that appears in the thread. However, based upon the screenshot posted by @frankpeptid, it appears one has request the additional names on the CA when placing the order with Janoshik.

https://glp1forum.com/attachments/unnamed-png.9520/

 

[grizpat]

I get that 99% (or whatever) of resellers get their peps from China, but what about the compounding pharmacies? Do they get raw from China and then mix it with the fillers in US? Or do they get lyophilized like we do? Or do they actually manufacture the peps? Or...what?

 

[ZippityDooDah]

I get that 99% (or whatever) of resellers get their peps from China, but what about the compounding pharmacies? Do they get raw from China and then mix it with the fillers in US? Or do they get lyophilized like we do? Or do they actually manufacture the peps? Or...what?

It becomes a little more complicated when it comes to compounders, but essentially most of them are doing much the same thing you are, except with a few extra middlemen in the process to "do the laundry" and make the raw powder (which they get in bags, buckets, and barrels instead of vials) from China legit. There are a handful of manufacturers in China and other countries that are FDA "approved" to produce APIs, but that supply chain has various restrictions that limit who can source from them. Then there are the smaller compounders, medspas, and independent doctors who do exactly what you're doing and buy kits of vials from China.

"Legit" compounders (hopefully) have specialized facilities, equipment, and procedures to deal with raw powder, but a number have also been shut down for some really sketchy shit (like ACA, Ousia, and others whose names escape me) that makes the stuff we do look professional.

 

[psycho_driver]

Nexaph makes their peptides in the USA.

wraps up in snuggy and grabs popcorn

 

[50ShadesGreyMarket]

I am seeing more and more pop-up ads on social media where single vial seller companies are advertising US-made peptides. Kind of curious who these makers are because when you go on discord or telegram or even on this forum, nobody talks about US made suppliers/vendors. Who are these vendors?? lol

Although not a “vendor”, I’ve used WatsonBio here in Houston for everything except Sema and Reta because the setup costs for those are significantly higher than grey market considering I’m on .2 and .7 mg/wk. Not sure why so many people don’t seem to believe American peptide synthesis labs are capable of producing their own peptides but to each their own.

 

[YoYoFat]

Nexaph makes their peptides in the USA.

No. Nexaph lyophilizes in the U.S. The raws are not produced here.