6 weeks in…

[LilaSoren]

My intro to gray peps was actually through a sort of gray reseller in my country. I wanted to get a prescription for Ozempic but the cost for a monthly supply was higher than my desire to lose weight.

Came across a reconstitution post on Reddit which led me to the “research peptides” website I could access locally. Price difference was like 10% cheaper so I figured it was a steal. Went through some trial and error in the first two weeks and realised I wasn’t keen on spending an arm and a leg every single month.

Then I found a cryptic post on TT on “weekly peptide cost” with a 6 stack protocol that came to about $60 total. Every comment was a variation of “please tell me what sorcery this is” and “give me your supplier name and stop being a selfish cunt”.

Now I’m not new to the playing a Chinese spy game so I figured I could find the supplier myself and that’s how I ended up here. Ordered T15 from WBS and SS31. They were shipped in a little under 2 weeks. No tests though so I’m freaking out slightly cause I folded so easily. Now I’m up at 4am inhaling all the information I can on here so I can try not to kill myself while trying to “repair mitochondrial damage”.

Sidenote: how the hell do I get bac water delivered to a country where liquids aren’t allowed through customs?😭

Funnier sidenote: My original local “research” supplier who was basically charging prescription prices literally had a Jano COA on the site😂 Facepalmed so hard when I went back there to check for Bac Water after having found the gray market.

I think that’s a solid enough intro for now! Will be back with updates after I’ve slept.

 

[nonyabizznez]

My intro to gray peps was actually through a sort of gray reseller in my country. I wanted to get a prescription for Ozempic but the cost for a monthly supply was higher than my desire to lose weight.

Came across a reconstitution post on Reddit which led me to the “research peptides” website I could access locally. Price difference was like 10% cheaper so I figured it was a steal. Went through some trial and error in the first two weeks and realised I wasn’t keen on spending an arm and a leg every single month.

Then I found a cryptic post on TT on “weekly peptide cost” with a 6 stack protocol that came to about $60 total. Every comment was a variation of “please tell me what sorcery this is” and “give me your supplier name and stop being a selfish cunt”.

Now I’m not new to the playing a Chinese spy game so I figured I could find the supplier myself and that’s how I ended up here. Ordered T15 from WBS and SS31. They were shipped in a little under 2 weeks. No tests though so I’m freaking out slightly cause I folded so easily. Now I’m up at 4am inhaling all the information I can on here so I can try not to kill myself while trying to “repair mitochondrial damage”.

Sidenote: how the hell do I get bac water delivered to a country where liquids aren’t allowed through customs?😭

Funnier sidenote: My original local “research” supplier who was basically charging prescription prices literally had a Jano COA on the site😂 Facepalmed so hard when I went back there to check for Bac Water after having found the gray market.

I think that’s a solid enough intro for now! Will be back with updates after I’ve slept.

The good news is you picked a popular newish vendor and the testing trends are in your favor. Keep an eye out on testing forums if you're not going to test yourself. Although I haven't ordered from WBS I know some seasoned forum members having good results so WBS is on my short list.

 

[Calm Logic]

Sidenote: how the hell do I get bac water delivered to a country where liquids aren’t allowed through customs?😭

We can get BAC water domestically from medical supply and "underground" websites, so maybe you can do the same domestically? Maybe a local compounding pharmacy can help?

But my understanding is that liquids in general can be mailed into South Africa, but I am going by Google Gemini.

 

[MsGizmo]

I never thought that the hardest part of this journey would be finding a place to buy water.

 

[LilaSoren]

The good news is you picked a popular newish vendor and the testing trends are in your favor. Keep an eye out on testing forums if you're not going to test yourself. Although I haven't ordered from WBS I know some seasoned forum members having good results so WBS is on my short list.

Yeah, I saw a few posts about them and figured I could risk it and try them out. Just found a testing group that consolidates for all the major suppliers so I’ll be looking into that a bit more before my next purchase.

My all nighter also helped me figure out that I can get credit for doing Jano tests myself with some of the sellers so that’s an option too.

In your opinion, is it worth it to order bulk for 2/3 years supply even if it’s only a maybe that I’ll need that specific pep for maintenance? Trying to weigh the risks of ordering in large quantities less frequently vs doing smallers ones from different suppliers using the group tests as benchmark. Hope my question makes sense cause I just woke up and the English is still loading.

 

[LilaSoren]

We can get BAC water domestically from medical supply and "underground" websites, so maybe you can do the same domestically? Maybe a local compounding pharmacy can help?

But my understanding is that liquids in general can be mailed into South Africa, but I am going by Google Gemini.

The local seller I got the previous ones from is charging about 10usd for 1 vial of 3ml. When I start doing daily protocols it’s gonna add up quickly and I’m also not sure how safe their bac water is since it’s their own label. We don’t have Hospira over here and all the sellers for gray that I reached out to said they can’t send liquids to SA. Might just be a CN to SA specific issue so I’ll try emailing some of the US sites I found and see if I can get the bulk packs of Hospira.

Only other option I have is to order from EU manufacturers in bulk and get endo and sterility tests done by local labs here. Just need to figure out how to approach that so I don’t flag anything.
Health regulation here is tighter than most people realise, so I’ll need to be smart with how I approach the labs to avoid drawing unnecessary attention.

 

[nonyabizznez]

Whoops

 

[nonyabizznez]

In your opinion, is it worth it to order bulk for 2/3 years supply even if it’s only a maybe that I’ll need that specific pep for maintenance? Trying to weigh the risks of ordering in large quantities less frequently vs doing smallers ones from different suppliers using the group tests as benchmark. Hope my question makes sense cause I just woke up and the English is still loading.

Everytime I order a kit I regret not having bought two. I suppose it would keep my inventory a bit easier to manage but there are spreadsheets for that. Conversely by buying one kit at a time my stash is a good representation of how prices have come down so in the end I've saved money by waiting for new opportunities.

As far as stash I'm probably not the one to ask. I paid $1057 for my first box of 2.5mg Mounjaro! I have 4000mg Tirz in my freezer for less than 3mo script. I'm also getting my Mounjaro filled so I might not ever use my stash but it gives me more peace of mind than money in the bank! I've also not exceeded 5mg and in maintenance.
(15yr stash! 🤣)

Yes though... 2 to 3 years is reasonable and I don't see anywhere that GLPs permanently change your body chemistry where when you reach goal your body will maintain "naturally." Overwhelming odds are people who lose on GLPs will need continue them to maintain weightloss.

 

[MsGizmo]

Overwhelming odds are people who lose on GLPs will need continue them to maintain weightloss.

Well, the way I see it is that many people have a natural hormone imbalances. Some imbalances cause mood disorders. Some cause acne. Some cause hair loss. Sleep problems, difficult periods, mood swings, dry skin .. etc. etc. We just happen to have one that causes weight gain. Its just really annoying that so many people don't think of it like the illness that it is. No one bats an eye when there is a medicine for any other condition .. but being fat is clearly a moral failing so we must be shamed (sarcasm) Sigh. I do think that once Sema is legally available in generic versions that insurance will start covering them. We just have to get by until then.

 

[nonyabizznez]

Well, the way I see it is that many people have a natural hormone imbalances. Some imbalances cause mood disorders. Some cause acne. Some cause hair loss. Sleep problems, difficult periods, mood swings, dry skin .. etc. etc. We just happen to have one that causes weight gain. Its just really annoying that so many people don't think of it like the illness that it is. No one bats an eye when there is a medicine for any other condition .. but being fat is clearly a moral failing so we must be shamed (sarcasm) Sigh. I do think that once Sema is legally available in generic versions that insurance will start covering them. We just have to get by until then.

I agree!

And I'll have to take Tacrolimus for life so I won't reject my liver and Hydrocortisone for life so my sodium level stays out of critical range and wear these glasses for life if I wanna see etc...

 

[LilaSoren]

I never thought that the hardest part of this journey would be finding a place to buy water.

And looking bac it seems

Everytime I order a kit I regret not having bought two. I suppose it would keep my inventory a bit easier to manage but there are spreadsheets for that. Conversely by buying one kit at a time my stash is a good representation of how prices have come down so in the end I've saved money by waiting for new opportunities.

As far as stash I'm probably not the one to ask. I paid $1057 for my first box of 2.5mg Mounjaro! I have 4000mg Tirz in my freezer for less than 3mo script. I'm also getting my Mounjaro filled so I might not ever use my stash but it gives me more peace of mind than money in the bank! I've also not exceeded 5mg and in maintenance.
(15yr stash! 🤣)

Yes though... 2 to 3 years is reasonable and I don't see anywhere that GLPs permanently change your body chemistry where when you reach goal your body will maintain "naturally." Overwhelming odds are people who lose on GLPs will need continue them to maintain

Everytime I order a kit I regret not having bought two. I suppose it would keep my inventory a bit easier to manage but there are spreadsheets for that. Conversely by buying one kit at a time my stash is a good representation of how prices have come down so in the end I've saved money by waiting for new opportunities.

As far as stash I'm probably not the one to ask. I paid $1057 for my first box of 2.5mg Mounjaro! I have 4000mg Tirz in my freezer for less than 3mo script. I'm also getting my Mounjaro filled so I might not ever use my stash but it gives me more peace of mind than money in the bank! I've also not exceeded 5mg and in maintenance.
(15yr stash! 🤣)

Yes though... 2 to 3 years is reasonable and I don't see anywhere that GLPs permanently change your body chemistry where when you reach goal your body will maintain "naturally." Overwhelming odds are people who lose on GLPs will need continue them to maintain weightloss.

Your stash is legendary!😂 I’m leaning more and more towards paying extra just for the peace of mind. If I had a 2+ year supply of my entire stack + Bac water I could just focus on “research”.

Also, $1k for your first box? that’s some serious dedication! It’s wild how far prices have come. And you’re right about maintenance. I think a lot of people (myself included) are still hoping for a ‘finish line,’ but the reality is probably much closer to long-term support than a permanent fix when it comes to peptide therapy.

‘Preciate the insight. I’m definitely rethinking my one-at-a-time approach now☺️

 

[nonyabizznez]

Also, $1k for your first box? that’s some serious dedication!

At the pharmacy! One box of 2.5mg (starting dose) Mounjaro $1057! 10mg total! A couple weeks before script was approved! No Regerts!

It was filled on 12/23/23 so the good news from a possible prior authorization standpoint it shows "continuity of care" into a previous plan year. This might be why insurance continues my coverage despite dropping many who started Mounjaro in the 2024 plan year. 🤷‍♂️

I'm not complaining.

 

[MsGizmo]

At the pharmacy! One box of 2.5mg (starting dose) Mounjaro $1057! 10mg total!

Honestly, I think its criminal what they charge us at the pharmacy.

 

[tracylynn]

Yeah, I saw a few posts about them and figured I could risk it and try them out. Just found a testing group that consolidates for all the major suppliers so I’ll be looking into that a bit more before my next purchase.

My all nighter also helped me figure out that I can get credit for doing Jano tests myself with some of the sellers so that’s an option too.

In your opinion, is it worth it to order bulk for 2/3 years supply even if it’s only a maybe that I’ll need that specific pep for maintenance? Trying to weigh the risks of ordering in large quantities less frequently vs doing smallers ones from different suppliers using the group tests as benchmark. Hope my question makes sense cause I just woke up and the English is still loading.

I need to find a testing group. 🙂

 

[FairyDusty2022]

Same

 

[Slimmer]

What a great intro thread read-ty everyone for all the response.