A 120-day stability assessment of Hospira bacteriostatic water under three storage conditions.

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A certain private testing group has decided to start publicly releasing some of their research.
The first (and only so far) is their bac water degradation testing.

 

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Finally some good news! Been eyeing those 60mg tirzepatide vials forever. Honestly, with all the peptide crackdowns lately, smaller order volumes are a blessing — way less heat, way less risk.
This says nothing about reconstituted peptides, only about the BAC stock.

The “private” tests currently circulating indicate a significant degradation of reconstituted peptides after one month, resulting in a loss of approximately 40–60% after 2–3 months. (See peptid-critic)
 
That's interesting and actually good news for users of large bottles of BAC.

What I'm missing is a pH test and whether the benzaldehyde levels have risen (even though there's a good chance they're still within non-toxic levels).

What is curious about the results is the increase in concentration observed in two samples, even though they were at different temperatures. Did some water evaporate, or is this due to measurement uncertainty? I like to see a ± something on experimental results; it's more honest.
 
Finally some good news! Been eyeing those 60mg tirzepatide vials forever. Honestly, with all the peptide crackdowns lately, smaller order volumes are a blessing — way less heat, way less risk.
I don't know that this is necessary "good" news. People are using BAC for months then using the reconstituted peps for months longer. It's not bad by any means, but you have to consider time from first using the BAC to finishing the reconstituted pep. It seems like after 90 days the degradation accelerates so probably a combined total of not much more than 120 days makes sense. Not bad but I think a lot of people have been going a lot longer.
 
I don't know that this is necessary "good" news. People are using BAC for months then using the reconstituted peps for months longer. It's not bad by any means, but you have to consider time from first using the BAC to finishing the reconstituted pep. It seems like after 90 days the degradation accelerates so probably a combined total of not much more than 120 days makes sense. Not bad but I think a lot of people have been going a lot longer.
This is a great point. Thank you.

Bill
 
I’m a 60 day user. So maybe after using the BAC 2 months in and reconing the vials in month 2 the BAC goes in the trash. I have a few friends that insist at the BAC will last a year in the fridge after reconing.

Bill
 
Peter Magic (the man behind Janoshik) has said a number of times that he believes BAC is unnecessary from the get-go and that you could just use sterile water. He's tested the sterile water and found it to last quite a long time.

So generally speaking, it feels like BAC is great to use for precautionary reasons, and this testing would seem to confirm that it will last a long time, especially if the Benzyl Alcohol content doesn't really diminish all that much even at 120 days.
 
Peter Magic (the man behind Janoshik) has said a number of times that he believes BAC is unnecessary from the get-go and that you could just use sterile water. He's tested the sterile water and found it to last quite a long time.

So generally speaking, it feels like BAC is great to use for precautionary reasons, and this testing would seem to confirm that it will last a long time, especially if the Benzyl Alcohol content doesn't really diminish all that much even at 120 days.
To elaborate:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgk3-u51Ys&t=2545s
 
Peter Magic (the man behind Janoshik) has said a number of times that he believes BAC is unnecessary from the get-go and that you could just use sterile water. He's tested the sterile water and found it to last quite a long time.

So generally speaking, it feels like BAC is great to use for precautionary reasons, and this testing would seem to confirm that it will last a long time, especially if the Benzyl Alcohol content doesn't really diminish all that much even at 120 days.
This.
 
I would just add a little extra benzyl alcohol after 90 days, problem solved
 
My concern with this test is that if degradation is being defined solely as a decrease in benzyl alcohol concentration, it doesn't really prove all that much.

You have to assume that BA provides broad-spectrum protection against fungi, gram-negative bacteria, and gram-positive bacteria to feel comfortable with this conclusion, but it doesn't. Even if the concentration remains relatively stable, that doesn't automatically make it an ideal preservative system.

Also, this isn't really a true challenge test. BAC water by itself is one thing, but once you add a peptide, fillers, buffers, etc., you've created a completely different environment. Everything in that formulation can interact with the preservative differently. 0.9% BA may be perfectly adequate in one product and less effective in another. It could be fine with retatrutide and not perform the same way with GHK-Cu. Purity and excipient profiles matter too, and those can vary between manufacturers and even between batches. I guess this is where Jano's test is useful to some degree, but again, this does not account for specific batches. We all know some Chinese labs play dirtier than others.

Other things that come to mind are solubility and pH. Concentration isn't the only factor worth looking at. Preservative performance will be affected by solubility and pH, even if the measured concentration hasn't dropped below some arbitrary threshold. Note every preservative has an efficacy pH range. And if benzyl alcohol is floating on the top of the solution, it won't be preserving anything.

It's definitely an interesting test and adds some useful data, but I wouldn't use it as justification to buy a vial of R100, reconstitute it, and assume it's good to go for the next two years on 1mg per week. Tempting, yes, but don't.
 
I believe I've seen some discussion that pointed out it wasn't the right kind, not up to injectable standards?
 
Amazon? Have you tried it yet, and how much did you use.
I don't recall where I got it. Yes I have added it to my bac in the past. Though not recently as my stack of peps grew which has me using a 30ml of bac a month now.
 
Literally have used the same BAC water for > 1 year and have had no issues.
 

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