chmuse
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My grocery bill is going to go up again 😂 Right now I'm basically just paying for my partner to eat and me to snack. I kind of like spending half as much on food.
Addiction to incretin mimetics
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AllGlory2God
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I think some of us get addicted to trying different peptides. I don’t think it’s a bad thing if protocols are followed and for certain ones cycles as well.
I think you mean illicit.
Anyway, the idea that marijuana is some sort of gateway drug has been debated by science for decades and is largely (though not entirely) discredited, and the majority of users of harder drugs used nicotine and alcohol before they used marijuana. There isn't full scientific consensus, but the majority believe that it's a wide variety of risk factors that ultimately lead people to use and abuse harder drugs, and that marijuana is not causative - just an earlier step in the process.
I always knew I was open to trying most anything that wasn't absurdly dangerous at least once, and I was even more interested in things like shrooms and LSD than pot before I started smoking the devil's lettuce. Pot came first just because it was more readily available.
I corrected “illicit.” You just made my point by stating that “Pot came first.” 🤣 My response was elicited.
Except I was quite clear that even if pot simply did not exist, I would have done these other drugs. I was interested in them before I ever got into pot - it was just harder for me to get them at the time.
I also drank alcohol and had smoked cigarettes beforehand, both of which are psychoactive drugs. If there was any gateway drug for me, it was one of those. But it'd also be silly for me to say either of them were a gateway drug - I wanted to try the strong hallucinogenics before I had any psychoactive substance besides caffeine.
If you think just doing it first makes it a gateway drug even if it isn't causative, I'm not sure what actual useful information is communicated by calling it such.
Windingroads06
Less is More
I did not yet meet my goal weight when I lost acces to my glp1 of choice. I initially lost 40#. Even with IInsurance after the coupon, glp1 was prohibitively expensive. I went off at 182#. I watched in horror as my weight began to rise. Part of that is I did not adhere to my diet and I did not exercise as I should have.
At that point, (Goodness! It's been 2 years!!!) I began researching gray market. I have not dropped weight as I did with branded. Though, I think that is a product of 1. Attempting lower doses because $$ and 2. Concern (even with testing) about product safety, 3. Hormone disruption (surgical menopause). I am a healthcare professional, so my research was as complete as I have ever done, even better than the research I did in college.
The research into glp1s has lead me down a bunch of rabbit holes. I have learned much from this forum, GoodKitty's and a ton from other sites, and even the vendors themselves. I am grateful for the words of caution, the jokes, the flame outs that Tracey is famous for, and the camaraderie on a journey I did not feel safe navigating with my IRL family.
Am I an addict?... Idk. I do know that I want to weigh 170# again. And I know I want to be able to maintain that weight when I get there. If I'm an addict, I'll figure it out eventually.
I see. You have an addictive personality and you are attempting to justify your actions.
MarisWinter
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Thank you.
This whole initial post just reminds me of how miserable and fucked up so many humans are.
People are seeing benefits they have tried to get for decades thanks to these drugs and some asshole needs to throw shade by implying “addiction”.
No better than the countless assholes implying “cheating”.
Sorry for swearing but can’t we just be happy and enjoy all the benefits without seriously entertaining these miserable joy killing navel gazers and their “opinions” and devils advocacy?
People are seeing benefits they have tried to get for decades thanks to these drugs and some asshole needs to throw shade by implying “addiction”.
No better than the countless assholes implying “cheating”.
Sorry for swearing but can’t we just be happy and enjoy all the benefits without seriously entertaining these miserable joy killing navel gazers and their “opinions” and devils advocacy?
chmuse
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Comparing it to insulin truly is the most apt anyway. Everyone knows (or should know) before starting that if you stop, you're going to gain it back. It's a lifetime medication even for obesity.
Are you addicted to a medication that's hard to get your hands on but necessary, so you stockpile the version that lasts for years just in case? I'd think if insulin was this annoying to get people would stockpile it the same way.
Of course.
But the whole premise just reeks of the “concern based judgement” that permeates this entire topic and has for generations.
Is it addiction? Is it cheating? Why can’t you have willpower? Have you tried diet and exercise? What about the shortages - do YOU really need it?
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Just more of the same nonsense.
Ppl just need to STFU and focus on themselves exclusively.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
What is going on in this forum?
Between this and the post asking if we might be legal accomplices to import related crimes I am getting very bad vibes.
chmuse
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No no, agreed to all of the above, that's my point.
It's literally ignoring the studies and medical advice to make a moral judgement on what is, in the end, a MEDICATION. If you took it until underweight and couldn't stop, that's one thing. That would be more comparable to the opioid analogy. This is more akin to needing insulin if you're diabetic or antipsychotics if you're bipolar. (And I have a feeling these glp-1's will eventually be a common thing to prescribe along antipsychotics and antidepressants anyway, it's already considered common practice to give metformin with them to avoid metabolic syndrome.)
Edited to be less aggressive.
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chmuse
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And the request to privatize the forum 😂
For people using grey ourselves, some of us really want to scare everyone else away.
I mean I feel like a vast majority in here aren't being judgemental, and some members are going to be that way, regardless of subject.
I do think it's an interesting discussion to have, you can just not take personal offense to the discussion. People have made very interesting points that I've enjoyed reading. I appreciate everyone being able to be adults and have these conversations without putting our hands over our ears and yelling "LALALALA CANT HEAR YOU". Just dip from the thread if your feelings get hurt. Nobody's forcing anyone here lol
I do think it's an interesting discussion to have, you can just not take personal offense to the discussion. People have made very interesting points that I've enjoyed reading. I appreciate everyone being able to be adults and have these conversations without putting our hands over our ears and yelling "LALALALA CANT HEAR YOU". Just dip from the thread if your feelings get hurt. Nobody's forcing anyone here lol
GimmeABreak
Rabbit-hole Explorer
Alcohol, hard drugs, junk food, fitness, chocolate, coffee, shopping, hummel figurines, peps, we are all addicted to something. The question is it a healthy or unhealthy addiction. I think peps are a healthy addiction for most but someone with an eating disorder, maybe not.
In my opinion, an addiction is only a problem if it creates problems for you.
In my opinion, an addiction is only a problem if it creates problems for you.
Completely unhinged weekend on here
Excellent free entertainment
GimmeABreak
Rabbit-hole Explorer
While I don't agree with how the discussion started with the OP, I actually found the conspiracy/legal compliance thread interesting, entertaining and informing. We basically got a great legal interpretation of the issue from several of our resident attorney's for free.
I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just saying that marijuana had zero impact on my future actions regarding drugs.
The fact that I can and have stopped every substance discussed here cold turkey and with zero cravings for months on end when I get busy with work, have to travel for an extended period of time, etc., from alcohol to marijuana to shrooms seems to indicate I don't have an addictive personality, but I don't really care if you believe that or not. (Unless it's the internet. I'm addicted to being terminally online. oh well.)
What I do think is marginally more important for you to understand is that the science does not back the idea that marijuana is a gateway drug.
Speaking of “drug-seeking behaviors”, by telling your Doctor about all the different peptides you’re on, could that potentially backfire with a health insurance plan and/or future life/health polices? Would a Doctor really note something like “drug-seeking behaviors” on your medical record if you were completely transparent about the laundry list of peptides you were pinning?
On the health insurance side of things, https://glp1forum.com/threads/i-lied-to-my-cardiologist-about-being-on-tirz.2093/#post-32753 and the follow up are from someone who has knowledge in the field and says that the ACA prevents them from denying you coverage in this sort of situation.
But what goes on your charts is subjective to your health providers. I've had my marijuana usage on my charts for two decades now and have still been prescribed strong painkillers for situations where it was standard, e.g. wisdom teeth being removed, some injuries - no issues. But some people have horror stories about being denied painkillers because of it by more judgmental doctors.
I think you're even less likely to get drug seeking behavior noted for something like peptides or AAS, but there's nothing to stop a doc who has a crusade in mind putting it down.
chmuse
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You can get labelled a drug seeker for requesting Adderall as someone with ADHD. Doctors are just people in the end, with their own biases.
Weird that insurance companies blindly trust doctor's decisions on this stuff while questioning and denying claim after claim for legitimate healthcare needs
chmuse
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I don't know if that has anything to do with the insurance side, but it colors the perception of every doctor who sees your chart afterwards.
FWIW, I don't believe myself to be an addict, I do believe that the continued development of these types of therapies means that I won't be on Tirz for the rest of my life, I do think grey is safe if I use testing and filtering, I don't believe I am putting myself in criminal risk by purchasing grey, and I do kinda like to read all the drama. Carry on. 🙂 The only thing I can't quite wrap my brain around (still, after 4+ months) is that I will reach my goal weight. And yet, I keep marching toward it. I'm practically giddy with joy when I stop to ponder the situation. This stuff is FABULOUS and I am SO optimistic about my future. Permission to be happy and expect good things, granted!
Funny, whenever after some surgery I tell doctors I have a history of addiction so avoid narcotic painkillers they seem extra eager to give me a script “just in case.”
Peloma
GLP-1 Specialist
I'm surprised this topic hasn't come up more often. I came looking for answers in here, and found more rabbit holes. One common trend I am seeing among grey market "believers" is that many have come from negative addictions in our pasts. Many of us can see and recognize these patterns. I too have a love/hate relationship with chemical stimulation, and can honestly say that some of the excitement of future engagement with Tirz seems a bit familiar...
I also believe that it is this exposure to the black market stimulants that might allow some of us to lower our guard when it comes to grey and sourcing. After all... we've put much worse shit in our bodies and never questioned the lab tests for purity.
Addiction is a problem when it becomes a problem. At this point, GLP1's are solving problems more than creating them.
