Alternative to HOSPIRA Bac

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Anyone ever hear of Alpha+Omega peptides OR pure peptides?

both are making and selling their own BAC water which is way cheaper than HOSPIRA now. i asked for sterility results and Pure said they are working with 3rd party testers now and Alpha said that its just water and alcohol. not a professional response
 
Anyone ever hear of Alpha+Omega peptides OR pure peptides?

both are making and selling their own BAC water which is way cheaper than HOSPIRA now. i asked for sterility results and Pure said they are working with 3rd party testers now and Alpha said that its just water and alcohol. not a professional response
Never heard of her.

One company in North America makes actual BAC water, and that's Pfizer/Hospira. Anything else is imitation "reconstitution solution", and while theoretically the same ingredients it's likely not the same. That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, but buying from random places selling it is not advisable until their product has undergone independent third-party testing.
 
Ask yourself: my is it so much cheaper? Because is not USP (Not certified for human injection). I used to by from Amazon 3ml 'research' bac for $3 (sold in pack of 10 for $30). Was trying to minimize waste. Never had an issue but switched to Hospira, a true 'Bacteriostatic' water. Lucky me, I bought a year supply before Pfizer changed the rules. Still cheap if you shop around. There are a lot of pep shops selling sterile water with BA. If you must, I would go with a large shop.
 
Is there any antidotal infection or adverse reactions when using non-Hospira BAC ? I've searched and found a few isolated issues, but not sure why everyone's making this into such a big deal, what am I missing?
 
Is there any antidotal infection or adverse reactions when using non-Hospira BAC ? I've searched and found a few isolated issues, but not sure why everyone's making this into such a big deal, what am I missing?
I think you meant anecdotal? Yes there are plenty of people who complain about injection pain or reactions that later turns out they were using random bac and when switching to hospira.

Try looking up mycobacterium for what can happen to improperly made bac water.

It's not hard to combine water and alcohol in the correct ratios. It's extremely hard to keep everything else out.
 
Is there any antidotal infection or adverse reactions when using non-Hospira BAC ? I've searched and found a few isolated issues, but not sure why everyone's making this into such a big deal, what am I missing?
There are a few issues of concern with non-pharma BAC:

1. Starting with the simplest, the risk of contamination is obviously higher since we rarely see any independent testing done of BAC waters that includes any of the tests that we often expect be done with most of our peptides like microbial, endotoxin, or heavy metal testing.

2. When we do see occasional independent tests, they usually focus on two things: pH and benzyl alcohol (BA) concentration. Improper pH poses two (kind of three if you take cagri into account) potential (and not uncommon) problems. If the pH is too far outside of the neutral zone and the Romulans haven't detected it yet, it frequently causes ISR's. The other issue is that many peptides are extremely pH-sensitive so people could be unwittingly rendering expensive peptides inert or causing enough damage that they basically lost any possible benefit from the peptide or the money that was spent to purchase them. I can only speak for myself, but ruining hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of peptides in an effort to save ~$5/vial by buying untested off-brand BAC seems like a terrible financial strategy.

3. Like pH, BA content in the few independent tests I've seen and been part of have also demonstrated wildly varying concentrations (including zero in some cases). A concentration of .9% BA seems to be what is accepted for human use. Frequently you'll see higher concentrations in the 2-3% range for veterinary products since nobody cares much if trigger the horsey experiences a little stinging from injection and the products tend to be used long after that magic 28-day window. This happens a lot with things like the Durvet B12 bovine injectables, which is why when certain vendors started releasing various "lipo", "shread", and similar concoctions that were causing countless people to experience stinging, burning, and other ISR's that it became widely suspected they were mixing in the bovine stuff from Amazon while producing those products in their "sterile" bathrooms.

4. Most people (and you really can't blame them) don't have any idea that bacteriostatic and bactericidal are not the same thing. This results in the common misconception that as long as there is "some" BA in the water that it will kill any bad things and is therefore perfectly safe. I've even seen people on Reddit and elsewhere explain how they bought some BA and added it to tap water to make their own BAC, and are proud of their mistaken belief that the BA kills any dangerous contaminates in their delicious municipal tap water (unless they live in Flint). While I'm pretty certain BA does become bactericidal at some higher concentration, I doubt it would be anything you could possibly use for injection without a trip to the ER and possibly the undertaker.

5. There was a brand of very popular "reconstitution solution" that used to be sold on Amazon and direct via their website called "QualityPure". They even matched the appearance of the name-brand product very closely including the labeling. They used distilled water and BA to manufacture their potion (apparently nobody bothered to find out that distilling water doesn't make it sterile). No matter how many people complained about stinging, burning, and other ISR's you could never convince the true believers that the stuff they were buying (at very little savings compared to the name-brand product) from Amazon wasn't identical and just as safe as the name-brand water. Well, that was until a bunch of people became sick due to botulinum toxin traced directly to their "QualityPure" water. While Botox has become famous and many DIY'ers self-administer it at home, it's still done under controlled circumstances and with a health respect of the things that could go horribly wrong.

Ultimately, if the current supply and availability situation continues to worsen, we are going to have little choice but to resign ourselves to relying on our Chinese friends to supply us with reasonably-decent BAC water. Personally I'm OK with that since overall many of them have been getting consistently better at producing it with acceptable pH and BA concentration in large volumes, along with passing various other tests like TAMC/TYMC , etc. As long as we remain vigilant about testing it and use a little common sense to avoid "saving" a buck or two by trusting random untested products from Amazon I'm confident it will eventually turn into "no big deal".
 
Anyone ever hear of Alpha+Omega peptides OR pure peptides?

both are making and selling their own BAC water which is way cheaper than HOSPIRA now. i asked for sterility results and Pure said they are working with 3rd party testers now and Alpha said that its just water and alcohol. not a professional response
The alpha and omega is the same company as simple Peptides. Simple peptides had issues with getting their site shut down several times. They got their site working again. They have the alpha and omega to give people referral credit. I have not purchased from alpha omega. I have got back water from simple peptides. I hope I am allowed to say that.
 
I've used the Peptide Group Buys BAC water. It worked fine. I've heard others speak highly of the PGB BAC water. When you order from PGB, they always give you some PGB BAC water. Oddly enough, it seems more difficult to produce good BAC water than it is to produce good peptides. That's why folks who wouldn't dream of buying prescription Zepbound often insist on purchasing Hospira BAC water.
 
I've used the Peptide Group Buys BAC water. It worked fine. I've heard others speak highly of the PGB BAC water. When you order from PGB, they always give you some PGB BAC water. Oddly enough, it seems more difficult to produce good BAC water than it is to produce good peptides. That's why folks who wouldn't dream of buying prescription Zepbound often insist on purchasing Hospira BAC water.
That's the only other bac I would consider using. But it went through many rounds quality control with various members of the community before the current recipe was finalized. Earlier batches had issues.

It is definitely more difficult than making peptides.
 
I've used the Peptide Group Buys BAC water. It worked fine. I've heard others speak highly of the PGB BAC water. When you order from PGB, they always give you some PGB BAC water. Oddly enough, it seems more difficult to produce good BAC water than it is to produce good peptides. That's why folks who wouldn't dream of buying prescription Zepbound often insist on purchasing Hospira BAC water.
I'm not sure if it was you or someone else but as zpped just reminded us, I had mentioned in another thread a while back that it took PGB's supplier a few tries to get it right (they actually sent sterile water instead of BAC the first time), but they have managed to get it pretty spot-on and I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
 
I'm not sure if it was you or someone else but as zpped just reminded us, I had mentioned in another thread a while back that it took PGB's supplier a few tries to get it right (they actually sent sterile water instead of BAC the first time), but they have managed to get it pretty spot-on and I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
I am a bit surprised that PGB hasn't capitalized on this and started selling BAC kits. If hospira is going for 10 a vial, they could probably do 5 a vial before shipping and make a killing .
 
I am a bit surprised that PGB hasn't capitalized on this and started selling BAC kits. If hospira is going for 10 a vial, they could probably do 5 a vial before shipping and make a killing .
My understanding is that compared to everything else they sell there is very little profit in BAC for the Chinese, so I suspect the same might be true for PGB.
 
Anyone know other trusted sources to get Vitamin B vials (not ampules) other than Indiamart? Do they contain benzyl alcohol? If so , would that be a good alternative for reconstitution ?
 
Anyone know other trusted sources to get Vitamin B vials (not ampules) other than Indiamart? Do they contain benzyl alcohol? If so , would that be a good alternative for reconstitution ?
These guys seem to have pretty good pricing:

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They even offer a telehealth service to get the prescription.

Any commercially-produced MDV (multiple dose vial) will have BA as a preservative. Use caution if you buy any of the veterinary-grade stuff as it often has 2-3x the BA concentration and will likely burn but otherwise be fine.
 
These guys seem to have pretty good pricing:

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They even offer a telehealth service to get the prescription.

Any commercially-produced MDV (multiple dose vial) will have BA as a preservative. Use caution if you buy any of the veterinary-grade stuff as it often has 2-3x the BA concentration and will likely burn but otherwise be fine.
Thanks. I wonder if I have to pay for the script just once or if I have to get it for each refill. Its also a 1ml vial so it has 1/30th the amount of liquid in a Hospira bac water vial ?
 
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Thanks. I wonder if I have to pay for the script just once or if I have to get it for each refill. Its also a 1ml vial so it has 1/30th the amount of liquid in a Hospira bac water vial ?
Any prescription specifies how much of the thing you get with the prescription and how many refills can be had. So it's never infinite.
 
What's a good source for BAC? I originally bought it through Peptietest and they are currently out of stock and have doubled the price. Is there other sources that would keep the price down? If not, I guess I'll just go through them again.
 
China vendors sell B12 too:


But then you might as well buy the BAC from China.
 
So I received an email from Birth Supplies Canada Monday morning they had stock so I ordered 5 pack Hospira. I ordered. Shortly after received an email delayed due to oos. So charged and order unfulfilled (yet)
 
Yes, I also recieved an email saying that it was now in stock. I also ordered only a 5 pack Hospira. I thought it was too good to be true, as everyone else is saying that it is out of stock. Then a week or so goes by and I think it is going to show up at any moment.....and I get an email saying that it is on backorder. Wierd since they sent me an email that it was in fact in stock. yes, charged and have not recieved it yet also.

Some are also saying that without a perscription it might not clear customs. They never asked for one when I order it... just a question about its use. I said it was for my own personal use. Now, I am wondering if it will ever show up?
 
I just got a two pack of Aqua Science BAC. My single bottle of Hospira arrives tomorrow, hopefully.

The AS is from Amazon, Some here have taken a hard stance against Amazon BAC. But this stuff is made by an American company with a real building and a 40ish year history of making stuff in Ohio. I trust it much more than random consonant fly by night brands. But if my hospira source comes through I’ll stockpile a little of that (and then share the source here after I’ve built up my stock ).
 
I just got a two pack of Aqua Science BAC. My single bottle of Hospira arrives tomorrow, hopefully.

The AS is from Amazon, Some here have taken a hard stance against Amazon BAC. But this stuff is made by an American company with a real building and a 40ish year history of making stuff in Ohio. I trust it much more than random consonant fly by night brands. But if my hospira source comes through I’ll stockpile a little of that (and then share the source here after I’ve built up my stock ).
I've been using the Aqua Science from Amazon. In my 1.5 years of research I've only used Amazon bac, never had an issue. I just can't be bothered to jump thru hoops for a specific brand when it's so easily available on Amazon. And I agree with the person talking about those who are willing to inject peps from China manufactured in who knows what kind of facility, but being so anal about the bac water - ?
 
Just recieved notification that my BAC water has shipped. If I recieve it I will let everyone know. Wow, relpy here and all of a sudden things start moving again. Hope it is real hospira and clears customs.

By the way, I have also been using BAC from Amazon. Have not had any problems, but after reading a lot on here.... it does seem logical to try and use Hospira if you can find it. Each thing we do along this journey has its amount of risks that each person must decide for themselves about, and how comfortable or not they are about those risks.
 
I just got a two pack of Aqua Science BAC. My single bottle of Hospira arrives tomorrow, hopefully.

The AS is from Amazon, Some here have taken a hard stance against Amazon BAC. But this stuff is made by an American company with a real building and a 40ish year history of making stuff in Ohio. I trust it much more than random consonant fly by night brands. But if my hospira source comes through I’ll stockpile a little of that (and then share the source here after I’ve built up my stock ).
It don't know if trusting a company that apparently also manufactures drain cleaner in the same facility makes for the most comforting sales pitch. 🤪

I've been using the Aqua Science from Amazon. In my 1.5 years of research I've only used Amazon bac, never had an issue. I just can't be bothered to jump thru hoops for a specific brand when it's so easily available on Amazon. And I agree with the person talking about those who are willing to inject peps from China manufactured in who knows what kind of facility, but being so anal about the bac water - ?
The issue isn't so much a matter of alternative sources for BAC in general, but more the questionable nature of the products offered on Amazon specifically, starting with the fact that 99.9% of them have zero test results demonstrating that the contents are actually BAC water and safe to use with peptides. (And yes, I do realize that there is currently a group working on testing a bunch of the Amazon BAC, but to date I'm unaware of a single Amazon BAC seller that provides test results to back up the quality of their water.)

Even ignoring concerns about them being safe for human use when reconstituting mystery vials of Chinese powder that we're going to jab into ourselves, it can be a pretty big gamble to simply assume they're safe for the peptides themselves in terms of the chemistry and potential reactions that have been well-documented; especially if the pH is off or there is too much or too little benzyl alcohol concentration. That's one the aspects that seems most foolish -- taking a $20-$30 vial of peptide and risking turning it into a $0 vial of watery hope and dreams because the "bargain" water from Amazon was too acidic or basic and destroyed the peptide or reduced its efficacy.

It's kind of like saving $50K off the price of a brand new Corvette and then driving an hour away every week to fill up at the crappy little no-name gas station that's 5 cents a gallon cheaper for 86 octane gas than the local Exxon selling 93 octane. It's impossible to rationalize that 5 cents "savings" when it ends up costing an extra 10 cents per gallon to achieve, but people will try. And then when the Corvette blows up a motor or needs other expensive repairs because of the "cheap" gas those same people will try to blame GM for selling them a shitty product or Exxon for not being 5 cents a gallon cheaper and forcing them to buy the sketchy gas from an hour away. The best part is that everyone will hear loud and clear from the choir how they've been using that same sketchy gas for years without any issues and the unwavering faith they have in their belief that they're really saving 5 cents a gallon every week.

It's mind boggling that people (even the newest of newbies) will jump through endless hoops to obtain test results from their dealer before they buy as well as investing in independent 3rd party testing for the actual drugs, but not bother doing the same for the water they're going to use to turn that powder into liquid magic.

Top it off with the supposed "savings" of paying $19.99 for 60ml of Aqua Science's untested "BAC" from Amazon instead of the $20-$25 that anyone can easily find 2 30ml vials of Hospira BAC for with minimal effort and it just makes the entire endeavor seem more foolish. Sure, it may take a few more days for the Hospira to be delivered by someone in a white or brown van instead of the pretty blue one in a day or two, but for a product with a proven track record (and the BS government rubber stamp behind it) it's not nearly as difficult as people seem to make it out to be.
 
Yes, I also recieved an email saying that it was now in stock. I also ordered only a 5 pack Hospira. I thought it was too good to be true, as everyone else is saying that it is out of stock. Then a week or so goes by and I think it is going to show up at any moment.....and I get an email saying that it is on backorder. Wierd since they sent me an email that it was in fact in stock. yes, charged and have not recieved it yet also.

Some are also saying that without a perscription it might not clear customs. They never asked for one when I order it... just a question about its use. I said it was for my own personal use. Now, I am wondering if it will ever show up?
I just got shipment notice too. $50 CAD includes $10 shipping = $40 USD, which is $8 a vial , not bad. Especially since 5 30ml is plenty for normal usage. Dont really need a case.

I think I have read amongst other subs this company is legit. Given its not a random "peptide" website , I have a feeling it will be legit. Just know the Canadian version has different label than US version
 
I found out about the birth supplies Canada site also and ordered a case when it said it was in stock on July 4th, the 5th it said they were actually out of stock and they’d email me when it was ready to be shipped. I just received an email this morning that it shipped, it was $206 CAD total including shipping and fees. So I believe that’s about $150 usd which is a steal compared to everything else I’ve seen in the us….BUT I literally saw yesterday that someone ordered BAC water from Canada and that they live in Oregon (so do I) and theirs made it through customs but the fda took it and confiscated it. I’m worried 😟
 

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