Your approach seems to be the most cost effective, and if you're careful about proper hygiene during the production process, I see nothing dangerous about going this route. Some of the Brits are doing this also.
Amazon Imitation Hospira real?
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cat_walk
GLP-1 Apprentice
Please understand that cost has never been my focus.
My focus is safety and control.
Control of what goes into my body (as much as possible... given I accept to source peptides from China 😏).
Control of availability (BAC from Canada or US has unreliable/unpredictable supply chain).
My route is not cost effective at all if we include all the time spent in searching for information and buying all the different elements needed.
I'd rather pay 10x more for Hospira. The real one, available in a decent time frame. Currently the fact that so many people rely on grey Chinese relabeled Amazon stuff, show how difficult this is.
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OregonSunshine
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Part of the problem is that Amazon sells counterfeit stuff ALL THE TIME. Is it true NordChem or someone making a lookalike label? They sold counterfeit baby car seats that fell apart in accidents. I don't trust them with anything that requires a safety component.
DrPEPr
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Seems like you're right... 🙁 this NordChem is not the same as the UK based one.
I've asked if they have a COA to prove their claims, but that's probably not going to happen.
Guess homebrew is the way to go.
Found 500ml 99,9% benzyl alcohol for €13,98 at an online dutch lab store and 500ml bottles of 'sterile water for injections' (Braun) for €7,00 a pop.
Let's cook...
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cat_walk
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Love the spirit🙂.Seems like you're right... 🙁 this NordChem is not the same as the UK based one.
I've asked if they have a COA to prove their claims, but that's probably not going to happen.
Guess homebrew is the way to go.
Found 500ml 99,9% benzyl alcohol for €13,98 at an online dutch lab store and 500ml bottles of 'sterile water for injections' (Braun) for €7,00 a pop.
Let's cook...
I’m sure you’ve already thought about this, but I’d suggest not turning the full 500 ml of Braun sterile water into homemade BAC.
Unless you’re using a very large amount of peptides, I wouldn’t keep or use such a preparation beyond one or two months.
After all, if I’m not mistaken, even Hospira recommends discarding after 28 days from the first draw.
cat_walk
GLP-1 Apprentice
Very interesting! Thank you.
DrPEPr
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'm planning to prepare it in the laminar flow hood of the lab I have access to, so I think the 28 days don't count because everything should remain sterile.
I'll also put it in smaller (prob. 20ml) vails, so I don't have to draw from the 500ml bottle.
wildcat0367
GLP-1 Apprentice
I never buy anything that has to do with injections from Amazon. There are a lot of fake products on there and it is a hit or a miss if you actually get what you are buying. I personally will not take that chance. I go with a medical supply site that has the real deal all the time. Saving a few $ is not worth getting an infection that could be serious.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Specialist
This suggests room temp is better than refrigerated?
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
If you use regularly use glutathione or other spicy peps that need dilution, you never have to worry about BAC going bad, lol.
Yes, until you get to 60 days. Then fridge stored was slightly better at 60, 90 and then much better at 120 days. All I care about is up to 90, because then the rest, if any, is tossed anyway. They also don't say the brand name.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Specialist
This is my pet peeve cuz you can have a meth addict brew 8 different steroids and the shits on point and much more complicated than bac water which million dollar companies cant get right.... there was a report several months ago where 7 or 8 outta 10 domestic suppliers failed testing for their bac.... UNACCEPTABLE.
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Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Specialist
Same
Where?
Its not about the money. Just spend 1k on peptides. I just cant find it anywhere. The canada site is going to take weeks. 100 buck for 5 bottles sounds ok to me
The place in Canada I quoted in my reply.
I mean which thread
DrPEPr
GLP-1 Enthusiast
UPDATE:
The 'NordChem' BAC water from Amazon seems to be legit after all. The manufacturer, which is based in Sweden, not the UK ( https://nordchem.eu/ ) has responded and given me the COA (attached).
The 'NordChem' BAC water from Amazon seems to be legit after all. The manufacturer, which is based in Sweden, not the UK ( https://nordchem.eu/ ) has responded and given me the COA (attached).
There are a couple. Search for midwifery. I think some of the folks are even in this one.
cat_walk
GLP-1 Apprentice
Hi DrPEPr, thanks for your investigative work!
I wanted to share below a summary of the analysis I got from Gemini regarding the domain and the CoA (ChatGPT produced similar results). I don't mean to be alarmist, but the AI flagged specific inconsistencies with dates, formatting, and personnel that seem concerning. I'm sharing this to add to the discussion and welcome further verification.
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You asked me to check the company, the CoA, and the people mentioned—here is what I can tell you:
1. The Company (Drugtesting.eu)
Lack of Transparency: While the site claims to be based in Sweden, it does not list a specific physical address, only stating that work is done at "university labs". The domain was only registered in August 2022.
Contradictory Role: They market themselves as a public service for testing "unknown substances" to prevent harm, yet this certificate claims they are a "GMP-compliant QC laboratory" validating a manufacturing batch. Legitimate third-party testing labs generally do not manufacture and release their own pharmaceutical products.
2. The CoA (Certificate of Analysis)
Impossible Timeline: The document lists the "Test Date" for sterility as running from 15 Nov – 29 Nov 2025, yet the document was signed and issued on 20 Nov 2025. It is impossible to certify a 14-day sterility test 9 days before it finishes.
Amateur Formatting: The document is full of raw LaTeX code (e.g., $\le0.25~IU/mL$ and $\ge25$ kGy) instead of properly rendered symbols. Professional lab software (LIMS) does not output raw code like this; this suggests the document was manually typed up or "homebrewed."
Scientific Errors: It claims the water was sterilized using Gamma Irradiation. This is highly unusual for bacteriostatic water (which is typically autoclaved or filtered) because radiation degrades aqueous solutions and plastic/rubber stoppers.
3. The People (Antony Marttila & Anton Edlund)
No Professional Footprint: I analyzed the signatories listed: Antony Marttila (Analyst) and Anton Edlund (QC Manager). I could not find any professional profiles, research publications, or registration records for these individuals in the Swedish pharmaceutical industry.
Regulatory Red Flag: In the EU, a QC Manager releasing sterile injectables holds a heavy regulatory responsibility. The fact that "Anton Edlund" has no visible professional history suggests these names may be pseudonyms or fabricated to make the document appear official.
Bottom line: The combination of impossible dates, raw code in the text, and unverified staff strongly suggests this is a fake certificate generated to make a grey-market product look legitimate.
DrPEPr
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Dafuq...
Guess I need to up my due diligence game.
Nice catch.
Guess I need to up my due diligence game.
Nice catch.
cat_walk
GLP-1 Apprentice
Once you start fact-checking these vendors, you realize they're all full of it. Almost funny, if it were not dangerous. Honestly, you're better off just rushing to order the raw materials and making the water yourself.
Again, I crave real Hospira (keeping in mind how many fakes circulate), but in its absence, I’d rather be my own Walter White.
Again, I crave real Hospira (keeping in mind how many fakes circulate), but in its absence, I’d rather be my own Walter White.
My order from Canada to UK incurred no charges. 25 bottles with delivery worked out about £6 each...
Was unaware that Hospira was bought out by Pfizer and they have started making BAC under the Pfizer branding. they are now producing 10ml, 20ml and 30ml vials sold in package of 25. Of interest I was able to get the 20ml pack cheaper than the 10ml pack. Was $70 for the 20ml and $90 for the 10ml pack.
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Yep it seems its a complete Fake.... dont ever order this shit and inject it into your body 😵
The https://drugtesting.eu is also just a fake Site....
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They bought them back in 2015, but they must be making smaller vials under their own name now. I think that's good.
IshimaruKenta
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Y'all got any of them links to said Pfizer vials? 😄
DrPEPr
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