Another interesting email on censorship and frozen financials đđ
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Peptide enthusiasts are going to have to start learning to become comfortable with crypto. These fintechs have way too much influence and control over how we conduct our lives.
I'm not sure if that's directed at me, the OP, or the weirdo whose messages were posted by the OP? đ€·ââïž
Personally, I suspect there's "something" going on after seeing how several SG & TZ vendors have had their businesses, websites, and payment processing targeted in the past couple of weeks plus the almost simultaneous nuking of the TZsources reddit sub and the SG&TZ discord. It just seems like too much in such a short period of time to be a coincidence. I can't "prove" my suspicions, but I have had some some behind-the-scenes conversations with vendors and others who have similar thoughts. FWIW, I don't suspect big pharma or uncle Sam of being behind any of it.
Regardless, imho the bigger issue long-term is going to be the ability of vendors to accept "conventional" payments, and the how fintechs are beginning to dictate with whom and how we're "allowed" to engage in commerce.
Out of curiosity, why don't you suspect big pharma?
After explaining the drama to a family member in the healthcare world, their immediate assumption was big pharma. Of course there's no proof to any theories at this point that have been shared on forums, but it was interesting.
My only thought is that the size and scope of the impact looks like someone bigger with some weight to throw around.
Time will (hopefully) tell.
After explaining the drama to a family member in the healthcare world, their immediate assumption was big pharma. Of course there's no proof to any theories at this point that have been shared on forums, but it was interesting.
My only thought is that the size and scope of the impact looks like someone bigger with some weight to throw around.
Time will (hopefully) tell.
Big pharma has countless lawyers on their payroll who send intimidating letters and use the legal system. This whole effort (at least in terms of how vendors are being targeted) seems to me to be too "amateurish" imho.
Not directed at you, Zippity! Still trying to figure out how this site works... definitely might have gotten something wrong.
Was intended for Jay. Unless I am still not getting the hang of this (great) site, it appears this was his post? He has a big name in the peptide world, and I would ask him to keep it together better, here. More science and facts, less alarmism. Of course some of his underlying arguments are very valid. However, the manipulative fear porn presentation - not welcome. I like to think the discourse here is at a higher level, and not just one more place for him to cut-and-paste - or promulgate his brand - without providing evidence... or discussion.
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FamousGoodkitty
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Hey, just takes a bit of working it to get the site mechanics đ. It was a post by Jabber - he was posting a screen shot of what Jay said.
I'm a chick but I can hang with the best of the dudes, no worries đ€Ș
jortimer
GLP-1 Novice
This is true.
FWIW I don't buy into conspiracy BS. Humans are too disorganized and gossipy for anything that organized or secret. Mostly they aren't that evil too. Couple it with the Internet where you can find any BS community you want and the fact that the brain makes patterns out of anything means we are predisposed to find stuff that isn't there. Also everyone loves thinking they are in on a secret. Conspiracies are fun but generally complete bullshit.
That said, I do think that eventually pharma will realize this out-of-system stuff is cutting into their profits and sic their lawyers and lobbyists on it. At that point it will become a game of global wack-a-mole for them and us. The only way to pay will be crypto. Also we will need communities to keep up with fraud. I never would have needed to use crypto except for wanting these medicines. Now I'm getting comfortable with it out of necessity.
Honestly I wouldn't mind paying pharma to make a profit and do more research if they made it available and reasonably priced. Instead, I can't get it and it would take a big chunk of my income if I could!
I don't think there's an organized conspiracy per se, I think there are one or two individuals with an axe of some kind to grind, and they're trying to make things difficult for a lot of people by being as disruptive as they can.
There's no doubt in my mind that big pharma is eventually going to set their sights on the research community (and likely with the assistance of US and other governments). Unlike most other peptides, steroids, sarms, etc. that don't really impact the revenue of any individual pharma companies, these GLP-1's clearly do and they're going to do what they can to protect their cash cows.
I'm curious to see how it plays out with SG specifically since it has been around for much longer and any patent protection for the peptide itself is dubious to say the least. That's why I think the first round of lawsuits you saw Novo Nordisk file were related to trademark infringement for places using the "generic Ozempic/Wegovy" wording, not for patent violations. TZ I think Lilly may have a stronger position from and intellectual property standpoint, but AFAIK they've been quiet on the legal front so far.
Definitely interesting times ahead. I'm mostly crypto ignorant but have been trying to get familiar with it when I have a chance. The biggest issue that concerns me is the tax reporting implications that come along with it; I suspect that's going to be the biggest hurdle for a lot of people to overcome as they transition to it for payments.
If you had to guess, what would be your best estimate as to how long it would be for the US to crack down on peptides; specifically from China. I know itâs all a guessing game, but Iâm interested in your thoughts on this. Iâm have a lot of financial obligations while trying to simultaneously build a stockpile; and Iâm trying to do my best to plan and prepare. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
As soon as they solve the fentanyl crisis. đ€Ș
I don't doubt that big pharma will convince the feds to try something and it could result in temporary disruptions to supplies, but ultimately the govt is dealing with finite resources when it comes to controlling what comes across the border and I suspect there are probably more important things for them to concentrate on long-term.
Meph2u
Moderator
I would think that for the supply to dry up, the US and China would have to put together an agreement similar to what was done for opioids. But I am not sure the will find a willing partner to do so for GLP1s. This market is just being scratched and will be big business for the Chinese labs and downstream companies. I still have about 2-years of TZ put aside just in case đ. By then I'll be skinny, or as the WSJ would have one believe - Dead!
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I'm right at about the 2-year mark myself.
I doubt the US and China will come to a meaningful agreement on it, especially since (as far as I know) there isn't an epidemic of GLP-1 addicted homeless trying to get skinny and healthy by shooting up in alleys and dying of overdoses.
Meph2u
Moderator
And it's a rolling two years as long as the supply chain remains secure.
jortimer
GLP-1 Novice
I have been thinking that the fentanyl thing might actually work against us. The fentanyl thing will put more pressure on stopping raw chemicals specially from China. There will potentially be lots more resources put into package inspection from known chemical supply places in China and once you do that they may as well stop the stuff the pharma lobbies don't like too. Thoughts on that idea?
I dunno, for starters the Chinese economy is in rough shape right now, so I don't see their government doing anything meaningful to harm their own moneymaking enterprises. The chemical companies are also pretty fast on their feet to overcome such hurdles, just like when the US and China tried to team up to stop the steroid trade. China will likely make some window-dressing moves, but ultimately they've already shown they have limited interest in protecting IP rights of US companies, and these aren't deadly drugs, they make people healthier.
jortimer
GLP-1 Novice
Yeah, the Chinese definitely won't stop it for the reasons above. I was thinking that US customs inspection may get more strict. Totally agreed that these make people healthier and it makes no sense to go after it ... but this is where I get out my tin hat and think that lobbyists will use fentanyl-driven customs funding to get other stuff (e.g. Tirzapatide) seized.
On another note, is buying and receiving it illegal? I've seen every one say 'no' and then I saw that some guy had the FBI show up at his door (advice was don't say anything and get a lawyer). Of course that guy didn't give details and could have been ordering other stuff but that was just a scary thought and I'm not sure that my wife wouldn't just hand me over. đ
On another note, is buying and receiving it illegal? I've seen every one say 'no' and then I saw that some guy had the FBI show up at his door (advice was don't say anything and get a lawyer). Of course that guy didn't give details and could have been ordering other stuff but that was just a scary thought and I'm not sure that my wife wouldn't just hand me over. đ
Meph2u
Moderator
My wife just might too, save money on all the peptide purchases.
PeppyLaPep
GLP-1 Novice
Are you stocking from predominantly QSC or CA? Inquiring (also prestocking for the potential whatever etc) minds want to know âđ§đ
Meph2u
Moderator
I used QSC for one order when they posted COA for green caps. But when they kept green caps for the next batches without posting a new COA, I switched to CA which had just posted COA. I also got in on the early Skye deal. Looking at Sky and Arctic 30mg when available. $$$, but you know they are pure and accurate.
There's definitely a value to paying a premium price to be positive of the dosage and purity while avoiding the risks of ordering from China whether it be customs problems or getting shorted/scammed. The best domestic sellers spend a lot of $$$ on testing and discarding bad product so I don't have an issue with their prices at all. Plus, at least in the case of Arctic (the only domestic seller I've tried besides SAF) they have a customer service approach that's best for people expecting an Amazon-like experience.
Reimann
GLP-1 Novice
Wait, where was this that a guy posted about the FBI questioning him? I have only heard of the authorities investigating suppliers/dealers, i.e., people who are part of an alleged criminal enterprise, never end users / researchers.
To the best of my knowledge there is nothing illegal about buying small amounts of research peptides for personal use. But if anyone knows differently, please share. I am straight-edge and would never knowingly break the law (though ignorance is no defense, of course).
For the record, the advice to say nothing and ask for your lawyer is sound. Donât lie to the FBI, as that in itself is a crime. But if you arenât a dealer and have proof of (hypothetically, and this is not me giving anyone legal adviceâŠ) your prior RX for the branded meds for a serious life threatening disease like T2D, HTN, morbid obesity, etc., which the RX was helping but was then denied insurance coverage, and then your A1C and BP shot up and you got sickerâŠthese are mitigating facts any prosecutor would take into consideration. So if youâre a âprepperâ stocking up for personal use, include in your prep printed copies of the above examples of evidence and keep it with your meds (in the freezer or wherever). Keep it all together so that even the blindest cop could see youâre not a bad guy, just someone trying to manage your own illness due to insurance denials.
jortimer
GLP-1 Novice
I saw the story on Reddit but I actually doubt it. It sounded either like he was into some other stuff (selling, steroids, etc.) or it was just a troll. That said, I have seen a lot of hearsay and nothing definitive on the legal status from a lawyer. I think in the end, you are right that no cop or jury would want us to be punished for trying to be healthy. Further, you have to imagine they have bigger fish to fry, like those selling and giving advice. Even there I wonder about this "research" loophole being shady. Your idea of keeping your prescription is a good one... although it doesn't work for the peptides (well I don't have a prescription for the ones I experiment with anyway). I just wish I knew for sure one way or the other, but I'm not all that worried.
Don Ligero
GLP-1 Apprentice
I remember that story, and IIRC, he said the FBI came for something he purchased (not peptide related). He knew that purchasing and owning the item was not illegal, but selling it was. They asked for info about the seller and he claimed he just told the FBI that he deleted the emails and they left.
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