BAC Water shelf life

[Stormblessed91]

Hello all,

I was browsing reddit today and saw an interesting post. Someone asked how long people use their BAC water for. I've always thought it was no more than 28 days but some users were saying they've been using the same bottle for months. Thought I'd bring it over here and see what y'all think.

 

[FartfulCodger]

I think at least 90% of people on here use it for months. Those who use it within 28 days are probably using a large number of peptides and just end up draining 30mL before the month is over!

 

[BlueDog55]

You might get 100 replys to this but there is another post going on about the same thing so who knows. Anyway I have BAC water that is easly 6 months old and I will use it. The 28 Day thing comes from it's what Hospitals and pharmacies follow that out of being overly cautious and there are alot of germs in those places so ok ya. If you pin your Bac water 2-4 times with new needles each time how is that going to hurt it. BAC water does not expire in 28 days.

 

[alphaamigo]

I love how there are non-profits which exist solely to collect "expired" medicine and medical equipment from hospitals to send to other countries where they are still used for health and life preservation. We are truly neurotic about when we consider perfectly good materials to be expired.

 

[Vash]

I love how there are non-profits which exist solely to collect "expired" medicine and medical equipment from hospitals to send to other countries where they are still used for health and life preservation. We are truly neurotic about when we consider perfectly good materials to be expired.

We live in a very litigious society.

I use a bottle until it’s empty.

 

[ColdSmoke]

Great question, Inwas wondering the same. It seems like proper sanitation procedures is more important than anything. Does everyone keep it at room temperature after the first puncture?

 

[BNLFL]

8 weeks, and I'll do 10 if needed.

 

[gusterbuster]

Only 28 Days?

USP <797> directs that multi-dose containers be discarded within 28 days of first puncture. We measured benzyl alcohol concentration in Hospira BAC water at days 0, 30, 60, 90, and 120 across three conditions. All three samples held within the literature-supported preservative range through day 120.

www.peprecon.com

They did a 120 day test of hospira bac. Most drop off came at 90-120 days but remained above the threshold to be considered safe.

I try to use mine up by 90 days. Like at 30 days I'll recon a vial that I might use for 8 weeks. I'm enough of a peptide junky, most 30ml vials are used up around a month anyways.

 

[Flash-BCR]

Only 28 Days?

USP <797> directs that multi-dose containers be discarded within 28 days of first puncture. We measured benzyl alcohol concentration in Hospira BAC water at days 0, 30, 60, 90, and 120 across three conditions. All three samples held within the literature-supported preservative range through day 120.

www.peprecon.com

They did a 120 day test of hospira bac. Most drop off came at 90-120 days but remained above the threshold to be considered safe.

I try to use mine up by 90 days. Like at 30 days I'll recon a vial that I might use for 8 weeks. I'm enough of a peptide junky, most 30ml vials are used up around a month anyways.

...and that 120 days is at the high bar of official recommended safety standards....I think my risk tolerance bar is a bit lower so...But yeah, its not too hard to go through 30ml in a couple of months...

 

[Rezwalker]

get a clave and it will be good for 3 months +

 

[deluge]

get a clave and it will be good for 3 months +

Are you suggesting autoclaving your bottle of BAC water? Shoot a video of that if you do, I’d like to see how it goes…

 

[Blueeyedme]

8 weeks, and I'll do 10 if needed.

The BAC bottle?

 

[janedoe]

Great question, Inwas wondering the same. It seems like proper sanitation procedures is more important than anything. Does everyone keep it at room temperature after the first puncture?

I do. I always keep my Hospira BAC at room temp after puncture. Keep great sanitary, and sterile as possible, conditions. I've used same Hospira bac for 3- 4 months on average( usually gone by then) I also have a flat that expires 2027 that I grabbed before the price hike. I'll tap that after it's expired date when needed and of course keep necessary sanitary/ sterile conditions.

 

[BNLFL]

The BAC bottle?

No, that's the reconed stuff. BAC till it almost gone.

 

[alexb510]

Great question, Inwas wondering the same. It seems like proper sanitation procedures is more important than anything. Does everyone keep it at room temperature after the first puncture?

I keep mine at room temp. apparently that's how hospira or Pfizer suggests you store it, but I could be wrong. You gave me an idea as well, I currently keep my bac in a cabinet that's cool dry and clean but I'll probably get a sealed container wipe it down with 70% isopropyl and stick them in there.

 

[HazelMeow]

My plan is to use it until it is gone. I use it for Klow, Reta, and Tirz. 2 people. I think it’ll take roughly 4-5months. I do keep it at room temp since that’s what my nurse friend said they do at the hospital.

 

[CheetosYum]

You store it at room temp even after puncturing? Everywhere else I’ve read says to store at room temp if unopened and refrigerate after opening.

 

[BNLFL]

You store it at room temp even after puncturing? Everywhere else I’ve read says to store at room temp if unopened and refrigerate after opening.

Yes, not in the fridge. I put mine in a dark cabinet in the laundry room with the rest of the case. It was out in a garage cabinet till it started hitting 95* out and in the garage.

 

[eidos]

You store it at room temp even after puncturing? Everywhere else I’ve read says to store at room temp if unopened and refrigerate after opening.

Pfizer Hospira Safety Data Sheet: https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/pr...Bacteriostatic_H2O(Hospira)_25-Jul-2016_0.pdf

Section 7: "Do not refrigerate"

 

[ashleybaby_26]

I love how there are non-profits which exist solely to collect "expired" medicine and medical equipment from hospitals to send to other countries where they are still used for health and life preservation. We are truly neurotic about when we consider perfectly good materials to be expired.

I feel like thats a similar concept to food and expiration dates. Not legally required in all states but easier to put it on everything for states that do. People are willing to throw something out one day past expiration when one day (or week) isnt gonna do much (of any) harm. Years, yes. But in US the food waste from individuals and companies is disgusting, when you think about all the people around the world and even around the area that are hungry.

Anyway to say: I also use my bacwater for months, never had an issue. Keep everything clean and sterile when dipping in, keep refrigerated, and good to go (in my experience)

 

[ashleybaby_26]

Okay so since im seeing everyone's replies here: yes, obviously hospitals do it but theyre going through it more quickly than a layperson. BESIDES because the directions say so, why do you keep it at room temp?
I would think in the refrigerator it would keep anything that might potentially get in there at bay longer when refrigerated because its cold. Like I mwntion2d above Ive always kept mine in there so any knowledge is appreciated!
(I understand the part about keeping it in the dark though)

 

[SeaGypsy]

It was out in a garage cabinet till it started hitting 95* out and in the garage.

Ahhhhhh, Florida 🔥

I use it until it's gone, I think my longest was three months. No refrigeration, no light, no issues.

 

[Mimsy]

Was just searching for the above as well. We're just about to finish our first 30mg Reta vials and have 20mg coming in the mail this week. We still have the original BAC water in the fridge which is about ~2.5 months old. Searched around/queried a few AI models and it says ~29 days.

Sounds like most folks have been using them for much longer without issues. Sounds like there's no need to store them in the fridge. Guess with the next bottle, I'll just keep them room temperature.

 

[Skidude]

Ahhhhhh, Florida 🔥

I use it until it's gone, I think my longest was three months. No refrigeration, no light, no issues.

same here, finishing last bottle from 18 months ago, been pinning it for 2 or so.
have another case from 8 months ago that I will use until it is finished. If I pin a bottle I have always used it all within 3 months, usually 6-8 weeks, but would have no issue going longer.

Cool dark place, in a clean closed box, always cleaned before and after.

 

[JoonyO]

Nothing special or particularly sterile conditions for me. Mine sits in my dresser drawer in the open with the stopper exposed. I just wipe it with an alcohol pad like I do when using other vials. I use it till it's empty which is usually 2-3 months, atm. I checked the cemetery...nope I'm not there...yet. 🤡
eidos's link puts any "to refrigerate or not" questions to rest, imo.
eiodos: Pfizer Hospira Safety Data Sheet: https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/pr...Bacteriostatic_H2O(Hospira)_25-Jul-2016_0.pdf
Section 7: "Do not refrigerate"

 

[javajoe316]

What about un-punctured bottles? I am only using 2ml a month, sometimes 3. But I bought 2 x 30ml bottles. The second bottle I might not puncture for a year. Is it not sterile? Does the BA evap in a sealed bottle?

 

[eidos]

What about un-punctured bottles? I am only using 2ml a month, sometimes 3. But I bought 2 x 30ml bottles. The second bottle I might not puncture for a year. Is it not sterile? Does the BA evap in a sealed bottle?

Protect them from light to prevent oxidation into benzaldehyde or free radicals.
If it's unopened, it can last a very, very long time.
There is always some evaporation, which will balance with the concentration in the solution. The space above the water is too small for this to be a problem, even when the container is open.
There are two simple tests you can do: check the pH with a test strip, and smell the water (use a syringe: never open the bottle, never dip a strip in it). If it smells a little like almonds, it’s okay; if it smells very strong, that’s bad, because it’s gone bad, but is still usable (unless it stings...).

 

[Skidude]

Protect them from light to prevent oxidation into benzaldehyde or free radicals.
If it's unopened, it can last a very, very long time.
There is always some evaporation, which will balance with the concentration in the solution. The space above the water is too small for this to be a problem, even when the container is open.
There are two simple tests you can do: check the pH with a test strip, and smell the water (use a syringe: never open the bottle, never dip a strip in it). If it smells a little like almonds, it’s okay; if it smells very strong, that’s bad, because it’s gone bad, but is still usable (unless it stings...).

I have to comment how much I appreciate your thorough answers, you always send me on google hunts but I like the deep dives!

Thanks Eidos!

 

[Whiynot20026]

I recently saw a video on ph testing strips and in fact the forum recommended a brand and I bought them. I tested my BAC water and the strips indicated perfect PH levels. Is that good enough? Why send it in to get tested at a lab. I’m satisfied with what the strips showed me. Also, if I have a three month old BAC water can the PH levels change as the water gets older? Or is it good just testing the bottle once?

Bill