Big Pharma gaining ground on Grey?

[Peloma]

Hospira is all the hospitals I've worked at ever use for reconstituted injectables.

That's probably why it's sold by prescription by name brand. You can get off brand bac anywhere without issue. Our gvt leaders are uniformed morons who won popularity contests...

 

[janedoe]

That's probably why it's sold by prescription by name brand. You can get off brand bac anywhere without issue. Our gvt leaders are uniformed morons who won popularity contests...

I have seen Excela brand ( another pharma company I believe, but not clear) they had a recal though in March 2025. However, pfizer has in the past as well.

 

[dogmom]

Almost makes me want to panic buy another large order. However the Me x place often will have bac water that is close to expiring.

 

[Morbius]

I need to get one of those! Right now, I have sterile sleeves/pouches and the instapot, but an autoclave would be superior.

Technically I don't have an autoclave either, just a 15 PSI pressure canner. But you can verify the temperature inside, and temp/time sterilization tables are completely understood.

Most Instant Pots do not hit 15 PSI but you can sterilize at lower pressure if you can run it long enough. And sterilizing liquids is much easier than bulk dry goods where you need to make SURE the steam penetrates fully.

Hmm, what if benzyl alcohol isn't stable at high temperatures though? What if they use some other sterilization method like gamma radiation?

Checks google

Apparently benzyl alcohol is stable under autoclave conditions. It does seem quite possible to make our own bac water. I reckon it is a smaller risk than the Chinese chemicals we inject, hah.

 

[janedoe]

Technically I don't have an autoclave either, just a 15 PSI pressure canner. But you can verify the temperature inside, and temp/time sterilization tables are completely understood.

Most Instant Pots do not hit 15 PSI but you can sterilize at lower pressure if you can run it long enough. And sterilizing liquids is much easier than bulk dry goods where you need to make SURE the steam penetrates fully.

Hmm, what if benzyl alcohol isn't stable at high temperatures though? What if they use some other sterilization method like gamma radiation?

Checks google

Apparently benzyl alcohol is stable under autoclave conditions. It does seem quite possible to make our own bac water. I reckon it is a smaller risk than the Chinese chemicals we inject, hah.

I've read varying ideas on the instapot pressure. It appears to me from what I've gathered that the longer the better due to the PSI (averaging range 2-3 hrs). Personally, for me and my research, I don't think I'd pressure with the actual product, just sterilize the lab assesories/ vials, beakers, glass rods, and alike ( items for mixing). I would fill my sterilized vials and use my bac w/in 30 days since there would not be a vacuum. It's not ideal, but it is what I plan to do if the Hospira BAC apocalypse occurs. Not perfect, but certainly more comfortable for me than China swamp water.
I also have to nix the gamma radiation..... no one would like me when I'm angry

 

[Iamnew2this]

Almost makes me want to panic buy another large order. However the Me x place often will have bac water that is close to expiring.

I just made a panic purchase.

 

[Batscout]

I just made a panic purchase.

I think maybe I will panickly purchase presently as well.

 

[Bjd4162]

So, i have recently learned that Hospira BAC water can now only be bought with a prescription! Smart move by big pharma. Other brands of BAC water are also being gone after i have heard (someone on another forum said some grey vendors have admitted that BAC water regulations are tightening)

I am also concerned about the tariff situation. I saw someone post that their product from overseas was seized and they are not getting another order.

Is anyone concerned that Grey--even overseas---MAY be coming to an end?

Am i just paranoid?

thoughts? comments?

I buy it often in a pack of 25, no prescription.

 

[Calm Logic]

I would stock up more even for "shits and giggles" (and because of the "Rx only" on the bottle).

But the bottle from my current source (Peptide Test) has the expiration for just over a year from now. I'm sure it would be good much longer than that, but how much longer? I guess an extra year or two would be very safe.

 

[Iamnew2this]

I'm stocking up on tirz and other peptides. I have 5 bottles of bac water. Now I'm thinking of just getting the whole box, just to have. This all becomes so addicting

 

[hotdog!]

I feel silly for impulse buying for no real legitimate reason but then the panic reasoning kicks in: I'd rather have some extra BAC water to throw out than have none when I need it for my 2 years' worth of peptides. I've always been a better safe than sorry type A.

 

[StonePny]

I feel silly for impulse buying for no real legitimate reason but then the panic reasoning kicks in: I'd rather have some extra BAC water to throw out than have none when I need it for my 2 years' worth of peptides. I've always been a better safe than sorry type A.

I think that makes perfect sense.