Chronic Pain

While stem cell therapies have a lot of interesting and promising research, they are not approved as therapies, or proven to be safe in humans at this time. ( except I think one for heart attacks in japan ) The obvious risk is of malignancies developing in the long term.
There's a lot of ongoing research in orthopedics, neurodegenerative diseases, spinal cord injuries, other chronic conditions, etc...that are showing promising results. As with pretty much any kind of medicine, we don't know all the long term effects, but stem cell therapy has been a great tool with many applications.
 
From researching, I know that BPC-157, TB-500 and KPV are all peptides that can help with pain. I’m just not sure which one I should try first, as a newbie. Since I have a few different issues going on.
I suffer with Chronic pain. I have a few disc bulges and small tears in my c-spine, and have been undergoing testing for suspected MS. On top of all that, I was hit by a vehicle this past January, as a pedestrian. 🙃 which, obviously, aggravated my neck issues and new back pain.
If I didn’t have bad luck, I would have no luck at all. lol. But any experiences or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!!
Sorry to hear about your issues, I've had 13 operations (with more to go) and I deal with alot pain as well on a daily basis. I get some relief from peptides, it does help me recovering from surgery and during rehab a good amount. They are certainly worth trying, you can take a lot of them at once (KLOW) and wouldn't blame you for that. When you're in pain, you look for other solutions and I get it. BPC-157 would be the about the best start, I'm a slow responder and it takes 6 weeks for BPC to work for me. Try them one at time you can figure out what works and what doesn't. They don't work for all people and doing one at time and then adding some in later you can track them better that way and probably cheaper in the long run.

On another note, I've read up on PRP, stem cells to some degree and might be doing PRP for Trigger Points, here in the near future. I personally think that for the right person there can be some relief for some things to try, like where I'm at. I see you're from up North, I'm going to link a video of a guy in Arizona who's from Canada and has a Alternative medicine clinic here. Not that you need to go see him, but his videos are great and he really breaks down the nuances about this stuff and I feel I can understand what he's talking about. He also works with peptides to a degree and has videos on that. Listen to his back story, I think you'll enjoy listening to him. If I had more money, I would honestly go see him for what I want done. Good luck, I feel your pain🙁
View: https://youtu.be/_-nHsKgsUYM
 
Sorry to hear about your issues, I've had 13 operations (with more to go) and I deal with alot pain as well on a daily basis. I get some relief from peptides, it does help me recovering from surgery and during rehab a good amount. They are certainly worth trying, you can take a lot of them at once (KLOW) and wouldn't blame you for that. When you're in pain, you look for other solutions and I get it. BPC-157 would be the about the best start, I'm a slow responder and it takes 6 weeks for BPC to work for me. Try them one at time you can figure out what works and what doesn't. They don't work for all people and doing one at time and then adding some in later you can track them better that way and probably cheaper in the long run.

On another note, I've read up on PRP, stem cells to some degree and might be doing PRP for Trigger Points, here in the near future. I personally think that for the right person there can be some relief for some things to try, like where I'm at. I see you're from up North, I'm going to link a video of a guy in Arizona who's from Canada and has a Alternative medicine clinic here. Not that you need to go see him, but his videos are great and he really breaks down the nuances about this stuff and I feel I can understand what he's talking about. He also works with peptides to a degree and has videos on that. Listen to his back story, I think you'll enjoy listening to him. If I had more money, I would honestly go see him for what I want done. Good luck, I feel your pain🙁
View: https://youtu.be/_-nHsKgsUYM
Thank you SO much for this. The video was great. His story is really similar to mine. I am going to go watch a few more, and look into PRP.
While I am not happy that you can relate to being in pain, it is nice knowing I’m not alone and there are other people struggling/looking for relief like me.
 
Thank you SO much for this. The video was great. His story is really similar to mine. I am going to go watch a few more, and look into PRP.
While I am not happy that you can relate to being in pain, it is nice knowing I’m not alone and there are other people struggling/looking for relief like me.
Don't do pRp without stem cell therapy, as it would be a waste of an opportunity.
 
Don't rush to fix herniated discs; don't rush to spinal surgery.
Many herniated discs heal and resolve over time.
Also many people show bulged discs on MRI's. That does not automatically mean they need treatment.
of course, one shouldn't rush to it. Only repair if circumstances mandate it, where either time or all other measures have failed. Also, it's true bulged discs dont always mean treatment needed, for a normal, strength-free life. But, sometimes, even healed discs can leave spots of weaknesses.
 
Don't rush to fix herniated discs; don't rush to spinal surgery.
Many herniated discs heal and resolve over time.
Also many people show bulged discs on MRI's. That does not automatically mean they need treatment.
Absolutely. Surgery is honestly the last thing I want to do. Right now, my treatment plan is working with a physiotherapist and chiropractor 2x per week. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been very effective thus far.
In my case, the pain got 1000x worse after my accident. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, but it will have me laid up for days with a flare. So something has definitely changed since my last imaging.
 
Absolutely. Surgery is honestly the last thing I want to do. Right now, my treatment plan is working with a physiotherapist and chiropractor 2x per week. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been very effective thus far.
In my case, the pain got 1000x worse after my accident. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, but it will have me laid up for days with a flare. So something has definitely changed since my last imaging.
This is why I hinted at the surgery. I myself refused surgery for my herniated disc but I fixed mine with stem cell and therapy.
 
Absolutely. Surgery is honestly the last thing I want to do. Right now, my treatment plan is working with a physiotherapist and chiropractor 2x per week. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been very effective thus far.
In my case, the pain got 1000x worse after my accident. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, but it will have me laid up for days with a flare. So something has definitely changed since my last imaging.
I'm lucky as I've about had everything but my neck and back operated on at this point. Mind you, I've easily had over 100 shots of Cortisone and got a Lumbar Facet Ablation next week and a Cervical Facet Ablation next month so I'm working on it😕 It's rough and it's a slow burn with health care and specialists and trying to get relief can take along time. It doesn't always get better and it just comes down to managing it, with pills, therapy, peptides and rinse repeat. At what point am I just damaging myself needlessly and when should I slow down and try and preserve some quality of life. I don't have a high tolerance for pain, my expectations of what I need to do and can do have changed a lot the last couple years. Mowing grass, shoveling snow not really looking that cool anymore.

I hope you have the time and means to look into alternate therapies and it would be interesting to hear how they work out for you. I hope I can explore that in a couple years after I catch up from peptide hoarding.
 
I'm lucky as I've about had everything but my neck and back operated on at this point. Mind you, I've easily had over 100 shots of Cortisone and got a Lumbar Facet Ablation next week and a Cervical Facet Ablation next month so I'm working on it😕 It's rough and it's a slow burn with health care and specialists and trying to get relief can take along time. It doesn't always get better and it just comes down to managing it, with pills, therapy, peptides and rinse repeat. At what point am I just damaging myself needlessly and when should I slow down and try and preserve some quality of life. I don't have a high tolerance for pain, my expectations of what I need to do and can do have changed a lot the last couple years. Mowing grass, shoveling snow not really looking that cool anymore.

I hope you have the time and means to look into alternate therapies and it would be interesting to hear how they work out for you. I hope I can explore that in a couple years after I catch up from peptide hoarding.
This is what I was afraid of.
 
It's not fun, old age doesn't scare me so much as what can I do at that age. I'm only mid fifties, but my physical therapist says my Rap sheet reads more like I'm 70. He's not getting X-mas card😉
Sorry, that's not what I meant. I just realized that I fvcked up in communicating. Earlier in the thread, we were discussing disc problems and how the earliest intervention was most optimal due to the debilitating nature inherent to spinal issues. Surgery was frowned upon, so your terrifying post elucidated the negative and calamitous eventualities one would have to face. You were talking about quality of life, and I concur totally. That must be the ultimate goal.
 
Sorry, that's not what I meant. I just realized that I fvcked up in communicating. Earlier in the thread, we were discussing disc problems and how the earliest intervention was most optimal due to the debilitating nature inherent to spinal issues. Surgery was frowned upon, so your terrifying post elucidated the negative and calamitous eventualities one would have to face. You were talking about quality of life, and I concur totally. That must be the ultimate goal.
It's all good brother, I knew what you were saying. I feel like Elicon, is worse off than me. I don't believe I have chronic pain everyday like Elicon, I have periods (days or a couple weeks) of chronic pain. Being bedridden is physically and mentally horrifying to me, that's why if I can get up and go to work I do. I don't even have FMLA, so I get up and go!

I would love to dive in to Orthobiologics for my neck and back, but $$$ is the big issue. I'll take what insurance will pay for and I'll keep kicking the can down the road for a while. Once I get this other shoulder fixed, elbow and wrist. Then I can hopefully look in to the back and neck. Surgery doesn't bother me, it's the outcome on the other side that I look at. My shoulders will get fixed, elbows wrist will be better off for it. The neck and back???
 
Sad thing is, I just turned 38. I’m not even that old yet.
@RubbaDubba1 Here’s to winning the lottery, and finding treatment abroad. 🤞
 
A word of warning for prednisone:

The side affects are insane and that stuff can and will kill you, given enough time. Quality of life is often weighed against the disease it is typically prescribed for. Men/amab will discover they have a higher risk of cancer if on a long term dose; with women/afab following close behind. https://aacrjournals.org/cancerprev...ong-Term-Glucocorticoid-Use-and-Cancer-Risk-A (it's also used in cancer treatment, ironically)

Immunosuppression
Osteoporosis/bone density loss
Hormone disruption (induced Hashimoto's, Exogenous Cushing's, etc.,)
Weight gain/increased appetite (voracious, really)
Moon face
Peripheral edema
RAGE/irritability
Intense mood swings
Numbness/tingling in extremities
Heart palpitations

And many more... It is cheap though!
 
A word of warning for prednisone:

The side affects are insane and that stuff can and will kill you, given enough time. Quality of life is often weighed against the disease it is typically prescribed for. Men/amab will discover they have a higher risk of cancer if on a long term dose; with women/afab following close behind. https://aacrjournals.org/cancerprev...ong-Term-Glucocorticoid-Use-and-Cancer-Risk-A (it's also used in cancer treatment, ironically)

Immunosuppression
Osteoporosis/bone density loss
Hormone disruption (induced Hashimoto's, Exogenous Cushing's, etc.,)
Weight gain/increased appetite (voracious, really)
Moon face
Peripheral edema
RAGE/irritability
Intense mood swings
Numbness/tingling in extremities
Heart palpitations

And many more... It is cheap though!
One can get hyperglycemia on the first day. The relative that was recently prescribed prednisone had to stop (titrating down aggressively) after day-one bloodwork showed a doubling of blood glucose, from 100 to 208.

The 208 glucose was apparently from bloodwork done on the first day (highest dose), after an iced coffee with 40+ grams of sugar. At-home blood glucose was almost 170 at a lower dosage. No history of hyperglycemia but they are in their sixties, which is a risk factor for higher glucose spikes with prednisone.
 
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Not peptides, but will still help:
  • Vitacost-Synergy 5-Loxin-AKBA Boswellia Extract -- 150 mg - 120 Capsules (on sale atm)
  • Econugenics, HonoPure®, 120 Vegetarian Capsules (250 mg per Capsule)
  • Doctor's Best, Curcumin Phytosome™, 180 Veggie Caps (500 mg per Capsule)
don't lowball on these meds; the purer, the better.
 
I have bulged disc in my L4/5 S1 for 20+ years which internally caused hip pain knee pain muscle pain in my right leg. I have been taking Wolverine stack for 5 weeks and its alleviated all the pain in my hips and joints. I am more flexible now then ive been in years. It has not completely restored the disc but the inflammation has been minimized where it doesn't bother me hardly. I am back to running side to side movements and I feel at times I have been given back 20 years on my life! I also squatted the other day with zero pain and full mobility. BPC/TB has done wonders in my life.
 
ARA is GREAT, but a couple things to be mindful of. Most ARA vials are 10mg, or 16mg. The usual dose is 4mg and can take 3-4 weeks to feel any relief. You'll be using a vial every 4 days (on 16mg vials) and "protocol" states to use only for 30 days. It can get expensive to feel relief
I am thinking about reconning several vials of ARA at once since I will going through them quickly. Any experience or thougts on degradation/longevity?
 

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